[tdf-discuss] Re: How to Contact

2015-03-10 Thread Nino Novak
On 09.03.2015 23:04, Socrates Piña wrote: Hi, is more important to me, contact LibreOffice discussion list in spanish languaje for a better comunication. Look here: http://es.libreoffice.org/recibe-ayuda/asistencia-comunitaria/ Regards, Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [tdf-discuss] [CALC] How do I create/put a date stamp field in a cell

2012-08-28 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi dave_, On Monday, 2012-08-27 20:00:44 -0700, dave_ wrote: Is there a simple way to create a date stamp field? Ctrl+; in en-US version, if that doesn't work for you check Tools-Customize-Keyboard and in Calc section look for Insert Current Date. However, please note that this is not a

[tdf-discuss] [CALC] How do I create/put a date stamp field in a cell

2012-08-27 Thread dave_
Is there a simple way to create a date stamp field? Lets say I input a value in cell A1 and in cell D1 I would like to input today date automatically. I want this to be fixed, so I can not use Today() or Now() for that will change every day. Any suggestions? Thanks ahead for any input. dave

[tdf-discuss] CALC- How to protect cells and remove cell boarder outline

2012-07-15 Thread dave_
I have a spreadsheet that I want to protect cells from being changed. I am using cell A7 as an input cell. How can I prevent the other cells from being changed? Also, is there a way to turn off the cell outline border? Thanks ahead to hopefully a simple answer x -- View this message in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How do I test bug in 3.5 that have been bumped back to NEEDINFO

2011-12-30 Thread Tony Pursell
On 28 December 2011 19:48, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 12/28/2011 09:25 AM, Tony Pursell wrote: It seems that all the bugs that were in Bugzilla as NEW have been bumped back to NEEDINFO with the message This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it

[tdf-discuss] ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?

2011-04-16 Thread Bram Indrawan
I am LIBRE OFFICE new user. Is LIBRE OFFICE have FREEZE PANE function/option? (FREEZE PANE can be find on MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010, I don't know in 2007 version) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ASK-How-to-use-FREEZE-PANE-tp2826876p2826876.html Sent from the

Re: [tdf-discuss] ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?

2011-04-16 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Bram, Bram Indrawan wrote (16-04-11 04:15) I am LIBRE OFFICE new user. Welcome ! Is LIBRE OFFICE have FREEZE PANE function/option? (FREEZE PANE can be find on MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010, I don't know in 2007 version) Hmm, can you pls explain what Freeze pane is expected to do? That makes it

Re: [tdf-discuss] ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?

2011-04-16 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann lau 16.apr 2011 07:54, skrifaði Cor Nouws: Hi Bram, Bram Indrawan wrote (16-04-11 04:15) I am LIBRE OFFICE new user. Welcome ! Is LIBRE OFFICE have FREEZE PANE function/option? (FREEZE PANE can be find on MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010, I don't know in 2007 version) Hmm, can you pls explain

Re: [tdf-discuss] ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?

2011-04-16 Thread Gene Young
On 4/16/2011 6:23 AM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Þann lau 16.apr 2011 07:54, skrifaði Cor Nouws: Hi Bram, Bram Indrawan wrote (16-04-11 04:15) I am LIBRE OFFICE new user. Welcome ! Is LIBRE OFFICE have FREEZE PANE function/option? (FREEZE PANE can be find on MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010, I don't know

[tdf-discuss] Re: How are Libre Office bugs classified and fixed?

2011-04-14 Thread aqualung
Would be interesting if there were a metric that tells Total number of bugs Aged bugs (= 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years) By priority By status By votes By difficulty to fix A chart showing proportion of fixed bugs to total bugs at selected points in time etc. -- View this message in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How are Libre Office bugs classified and fixed?

2011-04-14 Thread Ercole Carpanetto
On 14 April 2011 09:11, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: aqualung wrote (14-04-11 08:10) Would be interesting if there were a metric that tells Total number of bugs Aged bugs (= 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years) By priority By status By votes By difficulty to fix A chart showing

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-04-01 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Charles, *, Charles Marcus schrieb: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? Your approach is valid, it's however strongly off-topic in this list. You might post it at r...@documentfoundation.org where it is highly appreciated! Subscribe by issuing a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-31 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/30/11 6:18 PM, M Henri Day wrote: Italo, you may have missed the first post in this thread, but there the OP (Samphan Raruenrom) posted a Google Translate version ( http://translate.google.com/#fr|en|LibreOffice) in which the initial vowel is, in fact, pronounced as «aɪ». If the native

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-31 Thread Bob Williams
Chere Sophie, On Wednesday 30 Mar 2011 16:23:05 sophie wrote: Of course, since questions about the pronunciation come up, there can be a web page with examples of common and maybe different pronunciations. But that should be examples rather than recommendations or even an official rule,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 29.03.2011 17:12, schrieb aqualung: Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread M Henri Day
2011/3/30 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 3/29/11 10:10 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different pronounciation ('b' approaches 'v'). 'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think. Book in Italian is libro. Anyway, I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Italo Vignoli
I am not a native English speaker, but I think that liberty - which has the same root of libre - is not pronounced as laiberty. I have heard many native English speakers pronounce libre, and they all pronounce it the same way. On 3/30/11 8:37 AM, M Henri Day wrote: What, pray, is «the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Charles Marcus
Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Prabath Galagamage
Charles This is not nonsense. FOSS is not only IT. It is cultural process. It is process of multicultural harmony. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.comwrote: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? -- Best regards,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Charles Marcus schrieb: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? Can you just skip or delete the mails of any thread your are not interested in? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 09:45 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? +1 Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread sophie
Hi all, On 30/03/2011 09:34, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 29.03.2011 17:12, schrieb aqualung: Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread M Henri Day
2011/3/30 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com I am not a native English speaker, but I think that liberty - which has the same root of libre - is not pronounced as laiberty. I have heard many native English speakers pronounce libre, and they all pronounce it the same way. Italo, you may

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-03-30 10:34 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Charles Marcus schrieb: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? Can you just skip or delete the mails of any thread your are not interested in? I have been but I'm getting tired of hitting my delete key.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-30 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-03-30 10:34 AM, Prabath Galagamage wrote: Charles This is not nonsense. FOSS is not only IT. It is cultural process. It is process of multicultural harmony. It is nonsense. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org

[tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-29 Thread aqualung
Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no idea. Before a recommended pronunciation is posted

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-29 Thread Sveinn í Felli
On 03/29/2011 03:12 PM, skrifaði aqualung: Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no idea.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/29/11 10:10 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different pronounciation ('b' approaches 'v'). 'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think. Book in Italian is libro. Anyway, I think that the English pronunciation of libre (as in

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Speaking of support is the libreoffice irc channel even mentioned on the site? also i think things should be split off into a dev channel and main libreoffice channel for support. If they remain as they are once LO goes main stream, we will have one gigantic mess of support questions and

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 16:13, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of support is the libreoffice irc channel even mentioned on the site? Sure, you bet. Right on the home page... ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 16:52, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: David please keep me in mind in regards to hosting official LO forums. would it be possible to join the next SC meeting? Jonathan, that's a decision that would be taken by the SC. You can just monitor the SC

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Where would i need to sign up for the mailing list On 1/16/11 10:20 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 16:52, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com wrote: David please keep me in mind in regards to hosting official LO forums. would it be possible to join the next SC

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi Jonathan, :-) http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-12 Thread Michael Wheatland
2011/1/11 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org: On 11-01-09 08:28 PM, Andy Brown wrote: On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST)  RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread James Wilde
Sorry Ricardo - and everyone else. I've obviously missed something in here. It was presumably the Nabble interface I was thinking of. //James On Jan 9, 2011, at 16:04 , RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 10.01.2011 00:51, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast, I think, it was planned to link to those forums from our website. Yes. This has been disussed and

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Stefan, * :-) On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:21, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, there is lots of discussion about creating yet another forum. And I fear lots of energy is being put into this. Kind of makes me desperate. But given that Nabble is simply an

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:29, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:21, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, there is lots of discussion about creating yet another forum. And I fear lots of energy is being put into this. Kind of makes me desperate.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread David Nelson
Hi Stefan, :-) On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:42, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a source of confusion for unexperienced users, who don´t even know, what a mailing list is, if Nabble looks

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:53, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:42, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a source of confusion for unexperienced users, who don´t even know,

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to open that site, I don't like it, to say you can arbitrarily shut it down because it does not fit with your

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:31 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi David, Am 10.01.2011 11:53, schrieb David Nelson: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 18:42, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: However, I haven´t had a closer look at Nabble. And I am asking myself if it could be a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 15:09, schrieb drew: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to open that site, I don't like it, to say you can arbitrarily shut

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 16:33 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 15:09, schrieb drew: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 11:21 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: That´s why I even advocate closing down http://libreofficeforum.org/ I could not disagree more strongly. He had every right to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-10 10:33 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: [...] What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice websites in parallel? What would you say, if people came up with multiple LibreOffice mailing lists in parallel? You have every right to open a website or mailing list about

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 17:12 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 16:50, schrieb drew: But even if that where not true, there is this: LibreOffice not OpenOffice. The application is not the same, and the organization is not the same. What part of that do you

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread sophie
Hi Drew, On 10/01/2011 19:41, drew wrote: [...] Slightly off topic but it is part of this issue: As to the question of a single monolithic view of the project, all things LibreOffice will be at one domain, this is a basic assumption that I an not willing to adhere to. There is great value in a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Karl-Heinz Gödderz
Hi, Stefan Weigel schrieb: Hi, Am 10.01.2011 00:51, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast, I think, it was planned to link to those forums from our website.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:56 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi Drew, On 10/01/2011 19:41, drew wrote: [...] Slightly off topic but it is part of this issue: As to the question of a single monolithic view of the project, all things LibreOffice will be at one domain, this is a basic assumption that

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Michael Wheatland
On 11/01/2011 2:12 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 17:12 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Drew, Am 10.01.2011 16:50, schrieb drew: But even if that where not true, there is this: LibreOffice not OpenOffice. The application is not the same, and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Andy Brown
On Mon Jan 10 2011 09:15:53 GMT-0800 (PST) Karl-Heinz Gödderz wrote: Hi, Stefan Weigel schrieb: Hi, Am 10.01.2011 00:51, schrieb Sigrid Carrera: Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast,

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 00:02 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi Drew, :-) On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:11, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: It doesn't sound good to me. So can you clarify what your position is with regard to Nabble? Hi David, Sure - I would use nabble the way it is currently

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-09 08:28 PM, Andy Brown wrote: On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST) RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-10 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Fabian, 2011/1/10 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org On 11-01-09 08:28 PM, Andy Brown wrote: On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST) RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they

[tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread RGB ES
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories?

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread James Wilde
On Jan 9, 2011, at 16:04 , RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, I feel bad to bring you bad news, but if I remember this correctly, the forum, that comes with Silverstripe won't be used. Right now it is just used for the people who want to work on the homepage to register so that they can be given the appropriate rights. Reason for not using those forums

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sophie, *, On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:  PS: If I have written complete nonsense, then I'm sure, that one of the founders / administrators will correct me. ;) No, your explanation was totally correct - the forum is only meant to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread Andy Brown
On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST) RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread drew
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 16:04 +0100, RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are hidden (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 08:24 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Instead, we have a Nabble interface to the mailing lists: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org Personally I would not use the forum functions in the nabble interface, but as a straight view to the mailing list archives I don't see a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread Andy Brown
On Sun Jan 09 2011 19:33:06 GMT-0800 (PST) drew wrote: Hi Andy You missed one - there is a new site wanting to offer LibreOffice support - one of the newer UX designs, which to me looks pretty much like taking the most common mods I see at support oriented web forums and throwing away

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-09 Thread drew
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 19:54 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: Since my computer time dates back to the old BBS days I prefer email over forums but I can understand why some others would prefer forums, for one time questions and not wanting to get overloaded with emails. Actually, IMO, it isn't a

[tdf-discuss] A how to

2011-01-03 Thread Andy Brown
To keep from expanding an already over used thread I started a new one for this. Consider it as different view of a dead topic if you wish but it is written to help others understand ways to help and provide something beneficial to the community. Some weeks back I had an idea that I though

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-26 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Thorsten Behrens wrote: hm, I guess most rules can be gamed, by any sufficiently determined adversary - so I would favour simple, effective bylaws, and use common sense otherwise. Additionally, you want to provide the proverbial Big Corp some incentive to join - note that this was one specific

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-26 07:09, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : Thorsten Behrens wrote: hm, I guess most rules can be gamed, by any sufficiently determined adversary - so I would favour simple, effective bylaws, and use common sense otherwise. Additionally, you want to provide the proverbial Big Corp some

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-25 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Gianluca Turconi wrote: Hypothetical example: Google Corp. develops a large chunk of code for LibreOffice. It's an important contribution, of course, and Google would belong to the wider LibO community, but is this big contribution enough to join the steering group of TDF? No - but it

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com meant to write: - sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was _not_ talking about you the individual there. Ahh, yes of course Sorry! Silly me ! Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ciao Gianluca, Le Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:37:14 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 17.37, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: yes. So now, do you like what you see?:-) Well, generally speaking, yes. I'm just a bit worried about the point of view about

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote: I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google, whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council; While it seem you and others see: The Document Foundation + Google +

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 19/10/2010 18.11, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] Well, I think that the split between these two visions is somewhat articifical. To be frank I don't think I ever had thought about this that way. And in fact I don't see why the two models you defined are so stringently different, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 19/10/2010 20.13, André Schnabel ha scritto: [...] You can help and support us by becoming a member of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. The membership fee is £15 per year and enables you to influence the direction of OpenStreetMap by being able to vote in elections for officers of the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Von: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote: I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google, whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council; While it seem you and

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and last for a certain time frame. Then, there's a desperate need for a clear definition

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto: [...] There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual trademarks and decides on licensing policies for these etc. and a wider council that is composed of

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 04:41, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto: [...] There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual trademarks and decides on licensing policies for

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 11.34, Marc Paré ha scritto: [...] However, the *members* of the *Foundation* *decide*. Of course, it's so *if* this foundation has to have a steering role in the community, only. I agree with this concept but more like this: The Document Foundation would have more of a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and last for a certain

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 07:30, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread James Walker
I decided I would try to convey my thoughts on this now First I had a couple of questions How many member do we envision being on the SC? How many projects does the SC envision having under the TDF. Right now I see the need for LibreOffice, and I really do see a need for a couple other

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, James Walker centra...@gmail.com wrote: The problem as I see it is how do you define the amount of contribution each person gives, cause in my opinion even the users are contributors to the project, without the users there would be no need for the project. I

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. --

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:57:43 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 21:00 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software Foundation project +1 -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello, Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:01 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: You can define contribution as documents or

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: Here is an interesting one - let's say that you did not actively work on translations (yet) and you have not started working at the booth in fairs and expos (yet..:) - but you started with your own initiative by

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Von: Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com It looks good to me and covers most of the points I am familiar with in other volunteer organisations. The ND Manifesto is mentioned twice, but I don't know what or where that is. thanks for the reminder - I changed the text to be links.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:15 +0200, Erich Christian wrote: Hi Jean, * Am 19.10.2010 08:46, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: On Mon, 2010-10-18, André Schnabel wrote: To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership It looks good to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo André, André Schnabel schrieb: For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and the word Membership in the subject. I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion, Very little response so

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 18 ottobre 2010 alle ore 18:44:25, André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net ha scritto: To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception by confusing the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Gianluca, Von: Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community. Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear. I'm

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