On 1/30/08, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I guess the question is: Pankaj, do you also agree that aesthetics
are a fundamental requirement of practicing IxD?
No I dont agree aesthetics is a fundamental requirement for IxD. But
to me Interaction design is all about interface
I'm doing some visual design prototypes this evening, preparing to call my
visual designer tommorrow, and thinking this isn't an academic subject or
splitting hairs.I feel interaction designer and visual designer are not
idealized roles, but are how people break down at the mastery level. If
Andrei asked:
The larger issue is actually more fundamental: do interaction
designers need to have aesthetic skills?
An unequivocal 1 million % (to quote my American Idol Buddy Randy
Jackson) YES!
Aesthetics is HUGE.
And understanding fundamentals of communication design (Visual,
audio, 3D,
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:56 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Aesthetics is HUGE.
And understanding fundamentals of communication design (Visual,
audio, 3D, spatial, etc.) is at the core of a good IxD education/
training career path.
Then this is either not agreed upon or not well understood at large.
On Jan 30, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Pankaj Chawla wrote:
This one seems to be bang on target. I hope it once and for all
puts the
debate to an end.
Let's be clear.
There is only a debate, especially from someone like me, because many
people will agree with Dave on this point (the
An unequivocal '1 million %' (to quote my American Idol Buddy
Randy Jackson) YES!, Dave's answer to Andrei's question regarding
aesthetic skills.
I have been following this post and many others like it, as I'm sure
other newbies are, to see what's the best preparation to enter this
field,
Hi David,
On 29 Jan 2008, at 13:56, David Malouf wrote:
HI Adrian (I wish the web version had better quoting features.)
Me too!
see adrian's reply to me above ...
Yes, you can do both. You should do both, but you shouldn't do one
w/o the
other. I'm not saying that you are or aren't, but
On 30 Jan 2008, at 16:46, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
[snip]
So I guess the question is: Pankaj, do you also agree that aesthetics
are a fundamental requirement of practicing IxD?
[snip]
Why do I get the horrible feeling that somebody is going to ask for a
definition of aesthetics now :-)
Andrea wrote:
My take and fear on this is that aesthetics are deemed
to be not needed in other aspects of interaction,
and are therefore not required as a core skill.
Andrei, I feel like you're tilting at windmills. No one in this
thread is suggesting that aesthethics aren't important. I
On 30 Jan 2008, at 06:56, dave malouf wrote:
[snip]
I realize this might have leaped a lot onto the conversation. But
what it means is that an interface designer IS an interaction
designer, but not all interaction designers are interface designers
and not all designers are interaction
On 30 Jan 2008, at 16:28, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
[snip]
I can't tell you how many interaction designers I meet that say
things along the lines of I don't draw the buttons, I just work with
someone else that does.
This is a massive problem if the field is to be inclusive and support
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:41 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Jeff, actually, what bothered me about Andrei's response was not his
declaration that some on this list are not interested in aesthetics,
but the assertion (implicit) in his last responses that aesthetics
lies in the realm of form (visual,
Andrei, if I understand your position, you're saying that a command
of visual aesthetics should be core to the discipline of interaction
design. I don't mean to gloss over my disagreement.
If it were core to the discipline, browsing through a few Tufte
books as you suggest upstream wouldn't
Dave, your proposal actually sounds like a great bachelor's degree
curriculum (or last 3 years thereof).
A 3-year masters degree, while great for curriculum breadth/depth reasons,
would likely attract few students of high caliber due to the opportunity
cost. Even 2-year master's degrees face this
The program that I come from (Kansas) has a fairly dated approach to
teaching graphics (IMHO. In the 5 year undergrad ID program, graphics
are emphasized as are presentation skills. The interaction design
classwork stems largely from the ID facult. They work in teams on
most projects...
I am interested in this topic from a different perspective. I am on
the outside looking in.
I have been doing customer support and network design most of my
career and have started looking for a change when I discovered
Interaction Design. This debate is important to me for the simple
reason
On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:29 PM, dave malouf wrote:
Hi Andrei, we're close.
Not possible! 8^)
Yes. We are close. We were always close, and that has largely been my
frustration for so long since I'm obviously unable to communicate
this in way that makes that clear and not abrasive or
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:43 AM, James Bond wrote:
I have been doing customer support and network design most of my
career and have started looking for a change when I discovered
Interaction Design. This debate is important to me for the simple
reason that I don't have a background.
As a
Where am I when I get it?
How did I get the brochure - mail, handed, pick it up?
How do I interact with it... flip pages, fold outs, turn it over, etc
What do I you do if interested?
What if I am not?
Who do I contact?
Do I save it?
Is there a part I can send back in the mail?
Should I read the
I agree entirely Jim. I know interaction designers that specialize in brochures.
The definition of this group, as a desciption of self is getting a bit tiresome.
Mark
On Tuesday, January 29, 2008, at 12:02PM, Jim Leftwich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The phrase interface design up to this point
The phrase interface design up to this point and calls to limit
the definition of Interaction Design and the scope of IxDA invites an
examination of the term's history.
The definition of Interaction Design isn't, (and more importantly)
won't *ever* be, limited to just the digital domain because
HI Adrian (I wish the web version had better quoting features.)
see adrian's reply to me above ...
Yes, you can do both. You should do both, but you shouldn't do one w/o the
other. I'm not saying that you are or aren't, but your posts (my limited
insight into who you are) project that you are
Hm. For a static brochure I could see that logic. But paper forms require
thoughtful layout in order for me to interact (??) with them. Or is that
where the term usability comes in?
*Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah*
February
Nicely framed Andrei. While have been pushing for broad sweeping
inclusive definitions, it was pointed out to me that that approach
greatly limits their usefulness. Perhaps if the majority is included,
and it give a more finite description, we will be better off.
Mark
(trying to be less
On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:42 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Andrei does interaction design require pixels? I.e. is there always a
need for a screen? Is what the interaction designer/UI designer
working on always embedded inside of said screen?
In my market space, yes. In other market spaces, I can see
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:15:14, Jeff Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try not to think of it as interacting with the brochure. That's a
red herring. Instead, think of it as interacting through the brochure
with something else. The brochure mediates an interaction. Here's an
example. No one goes
It seems futile to argue over title/terms of what means what when
majority would agree that these are essentially roles/phases in a
larger system design approach%u2026yes, they do have overlaps, of
course, in terms of required skills, knowledge, and even certain
processes. yet they are
IMHO, there are plenty of groups out there for people who want to design
for technology. They are called developer forums.
The desire to define interaction at a technology agnostic level is a
wonderful thing, and is what differentiates the IxDA community from so many
others. I, for one, would
On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:41 AM, mauro pinheiro wrote:
Interaction design is NOT limited do computer screens, wireframes,
menus...we should set our vision of our profession onto another level.
With that being the case, the issue as near as I can tell becomes:
What's the group for those people
Yes, I would call it the interactive design community. But even
then, that might be MORE specific than Andrei was thinking, and that
is my question.
Andrei does interaction design require pixels? I.e. is there always a
need for a screen? Is what the interaction designer/UI designer
working on
Scott: I liked Luis' definition:
UI designer delivers the interface, the IxD plans it
I would expand that a little. Interaction Design as I perceive the
role I play considers how the user interacts with the system/product,
not just the interface.
So while I do truly hate semantics I have to
On 25 Jan 2008, at 17:34, lukeisha carr wrote:
Just curious how some of you would differentiate an interaction
designer from a user interface designer? Apologies if it's been
discussed to death before.
I think these kind of questions keep coming up again again for some
of the following
On 25 Jan 2008, at 12:13, Adam Connor wrote:
[snip]
To be honest I stopped caring about my title a few years ago. Perhaps
it would be different if I weren't an in-house, but it seems more
important to me to just deliver the best products I can.
AOL Me too! /AOL
Adrian
Jared wrote:
Isn't this just a Yam/Sweet Potato thing?
That's an apt analogy. If two tangible objects so objectively
distinct (the yam is over two meters long) can be confused and
treated as identical, how much more difficult to recognize and agree
on subjective differences?
One of President
Isn't this just delaying the inevitable?
Sure, (Kumbaya!) we are all Designers, great! (I actually think
that most of us aren't designers, btw, but that's a separate
topic).
Ok, so you get your MD (masters of design). So then what? do you go
for boards in Interaction Design? Oh wait!!! don't you
Just curious how some of you would differentiate an interaction
designer from a user interface designer? Apologies if it's been
discussed to death before.
I think these kind of questions keep coming up again again for some
of the following reasons:
1. Companies give many different titles to
On 1/25/08, Demers, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious how some of you would differentiate an interaction designer
from a user interface designer? Apologies if it's been discussed to
death before. Looked quickly on the discussion archive and didn't see
anything.
If you're talking in
If I recall correctly this topic has come up before on IxDA.
I've been working in house for the same company for almost 7 years
now. In that time I've held the following titles.
Web Designer
Interactive Designer
Interaction Designer
User Interface Designer
Online Experience Architect
User
I think that the idea of having a single profession with specialties
is right on. As a designer I do UI, IxD, IA, Ux and probably a few
other thing.
I can do all this things competently -- that does not make me a
specialist in these areas and when I have a complex problem I will
bring in someone
Hi, Folks -
Just curious how some of you would differentiate an interaction designer
from a user interface designer? Apologies if it's been discussed to
death before. Looked quickly on the discussion archive and didn't see
anything.
Cheers,
Scott DeMers
Hi Scott,
One aspect of your question could cause confusion. Are you asking
about the difference between disciplines or between roles? I think
the answers you receive may vary depending on which question people
choose to answer.
Here's how I see the difference:
Interaction designer is to
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