Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed? [Off-topic:funny]

2008-04-20 Thread Dan Zlotnikov
Matthew Loff wrote: *** naive developer: the form already validated itself-- I should be able to trust its contents! *** paranoid devleper: what if they have javascript turned off, and their ZIP code happens to be 'DROP TABLE users' ... ? A webcomic to that effect: http://xkcd.com/327/

[IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed?

2008-04-11 Thread Don Habas
I'd like to get some feedback on form validation. In my organization (major insurance company), it is necessary to validate the following fields: For existing and new customers: - first name (letters only) - last name (letters only) - address - city (only letters) - state - zip (only

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed?

2008-04-11 Thread Alexander Baxevanis
I would highlight the field that fails validation and I'd put the following message next to it: This doesn't look like a [first name|last name|city]. Maybe you made a spelling mistake? This should be OK for users that just accidentally pressed a number key when they were typing. Of course in

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed?

2008-04-11 Thread Jeff Garbers
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Don Habas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question we're struggling with is since most of these fields are very common, how much explanation is needed in the validation message... On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Alexander Baxevanis wrote: I would highlight the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Messages - How much is needed?

2008-04-11 Thread Matthew Loff
I normally find sign-up forms incredibly irritating-- but Yahoo's is light years beyond any others I've seen: https://edit.yahoo.com/registration?.intl=usnew=1 My concern about javascript-driven validation (either entirely on the client side, or AJAXified) is that it will lead to laziness in

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-06 Thread Carolynn
Thanks for the comments about the form (https://www.net-apotek.no/site/shop/register.html). Caroline, nods to your efforts at understanding Norwegian :-). I'll make a quick attempt at answering your points: There is definitely an issue with the telephone number. It's supposed to be validated as

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-05 Thread anirudhsanjeev
I feel that having inline form validation is the best way there is. I use a combination of generating a great form with pform (http:// www.phpform.org/) and using a php/ajax form validation library. there are plenty of them around. But this can be a nice, and pleasing experience to the person

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-04 Thread Ben Hunt
I agree with Caroline on the need for UIs to exercise sufficient restraint when people are entering data. When designing interactions on web pages, I often refer to a little guy I keep in my head, who's a concierge in a high-class hotel, and imagine how he'd behave. A great concierge, maitre d',

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-04 Thread Carolynn
I'm with Caroline - Mint is disturbing! I was experimenting with error fields and after some debate decided to do it this way (granted this form is simple, sorry about the non-Englishness!): https://www.net-apotek.no/site/shop/register.html ... click on the 'register' button and all field labels

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Caroline Jarrett
Soloviev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation : Hi, : : I'm looking for any advices/articles on form validation. : I tried to search on gamma.ixda.org, but found nothing there. : : 1. What is the preferable

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Gloria Petron
Hi Maxim, Please see Robert Hoekman Jr.'s book, *Designing the Obvious*. Chapter 5. He goes into great detail regarding form design validation, the art of setting good form defaults, and how to write effective error messages ( how to keep errors from occurring in the first place). I'll never look

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Jacob Smith
I would highlight something Bryan said above. Back end error checking is important, but why not use some front end JavaScript to check for simple things like blank fields. With unobtrusive JavaScript you can set a script up once and apply it to all your forms easily. You can see an example here:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Janna Hicks DeVylder
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:53:44, Jacob Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would highlight something Bryan said above. Back end error checking is important, but why not use some front end JavaScript to check for simple things like blank fields. I was just thinking about that... Look at Mint.com

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Caroline Jarrett
From: Janna Hicks DeVylder [EMAIL PROTECTED] on using client side validations : Look at Mint.com http://mint.com/'s : sign up process as an example. : Not only do they deal with blank fields, : they deal with inconsistencies as well. I've watched users working with forms like this. My concern

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-03 Thread Bryan Minihan
I gave the mint.com site a try and agree with your colorful remarks about its effect on the experience =]. I've designed dozens of such forms with validation on the previous field and feel the same as you - it's a good start but feels like it could be better. I wonder if it would make more

[IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Maxim Soloviev
Hi, I'm looking for any advices/articles on form validation. I tried to search on gamma.ixda.org, but found nothing there. 1. What is the preferable placement for error message for particular control? 2. Any guidelines on error message text. Like what is better -- This field is required or

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Bryan Minihan
: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation Hi, I'm looking for any advices/articles on form validation. I tried to search on gamma.ixda.org, but found nothing there. 1. What is the preferable placement for error message for particular control? 2