Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Daniel Szuc
Why not offer a great UX on the web and customer support channels? Seems to work for Netflix - * Netflix talks - http://www.brandonschauer.com/blog/?p=59 Netflix also appear to invest in their web channel - http://www.uie.com/articles/kane_interview/ Suggest the business design opportunity

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Kontra
Daniel Szuc: The question for an UX Designer is how you can weave all these pieces together without deliberately pitting one channel against the other Because a) this decision is almost never the purview of a UX Designer, b) management sees a legitimate source of revenue in post-sale services

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Daniel Szuc
Likewise solutions at the design competition or let's clean up the home page level are woefully inadequate to remedy what's essentially a business strategy question, where design practitioners aren't currently asked to get involved in. Agree and its good to start somewhere. Suggest that over

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Patricia Garcia
GD may have profitability but do they have sustainability. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=28719 Welcome to the Interaction

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Will Evans
I will plug my hosting provider. I get nothing to do so. They don't believe in bribing people to resell their services. They do everything GD does - better. Registration, Hosting, transfers, everything. At reasonable prices. MediaTemple is great. When I have had issues - I can submit a request -

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Will Evans
I will plug my hosting provider. I get nothing to do so. They don't believe in bribing people to resell their services. They do everything GD does - better. Registration, Hosting, transfers, everything. At reasonable prices. MediaTemple is great. When I have had issues - I can submit a request -

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
Why not offer a great UX on the web and customer support channels? Believe me, I argued this point on many occasions. And their plan of driving people to the call center never stopped me from putting out designs that required little to no customer support. The best marketing tool is a great

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
GD may have profitability but do they have sustainability. They've been in business since 1998, have been listed as one of the top 50 fastest growing companies at least once, and are the most profitable domain registrar in the world. Their biggest problem with sustainability is finding more

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Will Evans
There must be other metrics to judge them on. McDonalds has served billions and billions of burgers. They are still arguably the most disgusting, unhealthy, hormone laden fat patties guarenteed to kill you around - but they are cheap and ubiquitous. Google is the most useless search engine ever

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-08 Thread Daniel Szuc
The best marketing tool is a great product. - Agree! rgds, Dan On 9 May 2008, at 12:19 AM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Why not offer a great UX on the web and customer support channels? Believe me, I argued this point on many occasions. And their plan of driving people to the call center

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Pankaj Chawla
On 5/7/08, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: When I started there, I was told, unofficially, that they never wanted their products to be too good, because then no one would call in to customer support. And customer support is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Picone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: IXDA list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05/07/2008 05:05 AM Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame On 5/7/08, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: When I started there, I

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread mark schraad
Robert could you please keep your threads straight. This clearly should be under the heading 'can we make it to easy'. ;) On May 6, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: When I started there, I was told, unofficially, that they never wanted their products to be too good, because

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Jared M. Spool
On May 6, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Where does that leave us as designers? The business is our client, not the end user. The end user is always your client. If not, you should fire the one that hired you. I don't share this opinion. In fact, I think it's a very

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Jared M. Spool
On May 7, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Peter Picone wrote: Good design is usually a good thing, but it always has to be balanced with the business and marketing plans. It can never stand alone in isolation and expect to be effective just on its own merits. At what point did meeting the needs of the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Uday Gajendar
On May 6, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Brett Ingram wrote: Something about that doesn't seem to be quite in the best interest of the user. Where does that leave us as designers? The business is our client, not the end user. This has been debated before...40 yrs ago :-) Legendary designer Charles

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Will Evans
Designing anything involves satisfying constraints, making choices, containing costs, and accepting compromises. And of course, it would be especially nice if they could meet these super-human demands and not charge us (Client, to Account Executive) *http://adverbatims.blogspot.com/* Where

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
One big problem is it suggests you, as a consultant and not a business stakeholder, know more about their business, their clients, and their industry than they do. That's very unlikely to be true and will not engender a positive relationship for the long term. I'm not suggesting that at

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On May 6, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Jared M. Spool wrote: Shhh! Don't tell Andrei! You'll rock his world! I don't doubt there are a few bad apples in the barrel. I still contend it's not the norm or the trend in high-tech software development. GoDaddy will go the way of all others in business

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On May 7, 2008, at 2:05 AM, Pankaj Chawla wrote: The enterprise editions are difficult to use and hence bring in a lot of dollars via training, deployment and maintanence whereas the mainstream ones only bring in licensing revenues. If you ask the mainstream customers for any of those

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Jared M. Spool
On May 7, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: I'm only suggesting that the most important thing is the end user's experience, It's absolute statement that I'm thinking is problematic. I'm all for creating great experiences and, personally, I think it's a great way to create a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Erik Stolterman
Hi Uday You are making a good case when you write On May 7, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Uday Gajendar wrote: And more recently, Henry Petroski from Why There is No Perfect Design (which is a great read, imho): “Designing anything involves satisfying constraints, making choices, containing costs, and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Dave Meeker
Is Godaddy's business that bad? They seem to do a lot with very little, and they have pretty stellar customer support. In fact, every time I change, modify or register a domain, I get a follow-up courtesy call from them to just check in and make sure I didn't have any issues or follow-up items.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Peyush Agarwal
This has been really an excellent discussion. Dave, I agree that surely GD is doing something the marketplace approves of. Heck I went to them because I'd heard/read of their cheap rates and good customer service. But eventually I went away because maybe I evolved into a different kind of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On May 7, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Jared M. Spool wrote: However, I would not go so far as a suggest it's the *most* important thing *always*. There are many examples where businesses have had to compromise on the experience to survive. Agreed. (Sidenote: I think if people actually saw Jared

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Uday Gajendar
On May 7, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Erik Stolterman wrote: innovative thinking in a way that makes it possible for them to transcend restrictions. Design becomes fairly boring if we see it as a matter of compromise. It is more fun, and actually more true, to see it as a matter of expanding what

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Pankaj Chawla
On 5/7/08, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 7, 2008, at 2:05 AM, Pankaj Chawla wrote: The enterprise editions are difficult to use and hence bring in a lot of dollars via training, deployment and maintanence whereas the mainstream ones only bring in licensing revenues.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-07 Thread Joanne Weaver
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pankaj Chawla Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:57 PM To: IXDA list Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame On 5/7/08, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 7, 2008, at 2:05 AM, Pankaj

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Michael Tuminello
no doubt. I have always wondered about that site. I tried to move all my domains there once and had to give up because the site got in my way so many times. robert hoekman (on the list) may be able to shed some light on why it is the way it is. I think he did some work on it. MT On

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Peyush Agarwal
I have to chime in to this one. I cannot believe they don't get how cluttered/difficult to scan/locate stuff is on the site. The worst for me is that they don't stop pelting you with products to buy even after you log into your account. I followed the lead offered on this DL regarding

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Vishal Iyer
Don't you see the pattern? Its not the designers fault, but its the business model that forces this onto users. Just like interstial/ ad ridden pages...no designer ever thought it was a good idea :) The worst for me is that they don't stop pelting you with products to buy even after you log

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
Don't you see the pattern? Its not the designers fault, but its the business model that forces this onto users. Just like interstial/ ad ridden pages...no designer ever thought it was a good idea :) Precisely. And I can vouch for the accuracy of this statement first hand. -r-

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
robert hoekman (on the list) may be able to shed some light on why it is the way it is. I think he did some work on it. Let's not jump to conclusions here. :) I want to make this perfectly clear: I had absolutely nothing to do with that site. My team worked on quite a few web apps during my

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Weixi Yen
I guarantee anything designed here will not be implemented by Go Daddy simply because they rely on that ad revenue to offer the lowest rates. If we give the site a makeover and don't include the way the ads are currently implemented, they may be forced to raise the price on domains, thus

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Jeff Howard
Here are a few other Hall of Shame entries: http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/shame.htm Most of them date to the late nineties but it's still fun to browse through the examples. // jeff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Darlene Pike
Weixi Yen's point re: a better contest (design a good page with 20 ads on it of varying sizes, and still make it usable) can be taken further. To me, an interesting challenge in a UX contest to redesign godaddy.com would be defining the requirements in any realistic way. What are the criteria for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
We do have clues from Robert Hoekman Jr regarding the company's business model (low prices and customer service are the the 1st 2nd priorities). We can speculate from the interface itself what products the people who are in charge consider important. I can probably shed some light on this

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Michael Micheletti
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Darlene Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could the winning design be a major service to the public if it were never implemented? As a tutorial? Possibly not a contest or tutorial, but as an interview question. The interviewer hands the candidate a color

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Darlene Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could the winning design be a major service to the public if it were never implemented? As a tutorial? I'll bring up the Design Eye series here. If you guys are serious about such an endeavor, I'd be happy to share

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
Well, they must be doing something right. If the business is successful, is the design truly bad? The site is actually serving its purpose of getting some percentage of people to call customer support, definitely, but I'm sure there's a much higher percentage of people who never call and are

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Brett Ingram
On May 6, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: - GD is the #1 domain registrar in the world, and their portfolio of products and such is more than twice the size of its closest competitor (which, I believe, is Register.com) - GD is also one of the most successful hosting

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Dave Katten
I'm not sure how it could be a service to the public, but redesigning GoDaddy seems like a great way to cut one's chops in IxD. It could be a great starter exercise for people just learning the craft. It wouldn't be a contest as such, but it could fossilize into a sort of Hello World pattern for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-06 Thread Jared M. Spool
On May 6, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: When I started there, I was told, unofficially, that they never wanted their products to be too good, because then no one would call in to customer support. And customer support is where all the up-sells happen. You call about a problem

[IxDA Discuss] the UX hall of shame

2008-05-05 Thread Joanne Weaver
I am 1/3 laughing, 1/3 flabbergasted, and 1/3 MAD at how poorly www.godaddy.com http://www.godaddy.com/ is designed (plus I am trying to use it at 130am and I am tired anyway, which is making me even more laughing/flabbergasted/mad) But it brings up a fun idea: How about a UX contest to