[discuss] developers @ OOo

2005-04-22 Thread foskey
The article recently published in Australian media and picked up by others and rerun in other languages is a direct result of my talk on developing OOo. The comments were obviously cherry picked from the whole content for maximum media effect. I have no inside running on true numbers, I did

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Mathias Bauer
Daniel Carrera wrote: In my experience, (1) coding the extension was easy, but (2) the documentatin was inpenetrable and (3) I couldn't figure out how to deploy them. There just wasn't a simple system for that. Sorry, but the SDK documentation clearly describes how you can do that with a

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Nicu Buculei
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Now, the basis for my opinion that the DMCA is a barrier is that (1) I think it's a barrier, (2) several people who are not coders but still produce other forms of content say it's a barrier, (3) I can think of one other potential developer (like me) who also won't sign

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Erwin Tenhumberg
Why JCA is considered evil? It is considered a backdoor permitting the receiver of JCA (being it Sun, Novell or somebody else) to circumvent GPL and to close the source of the project. If Sun wanted to close the source of the project, it could just stop committing any code. Just imagine Sun had

Re: [discuss] Newbie Question about Open Office 2.0 Calc

2005-04-22 Thread Niklas Nebel
Paige Miller wrote: I am running Windows Me, I have my screen resolution set and 1024X768 When I open Open Office 2.0 Beta Calc, everything looks fine EXCEPT the font in the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheets. That particular font is appears to be almost unreadable -- way too small for my

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Nicu Buculei
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Why JCA is considered evil? It is considered a backdoor permitting the receiver of JCA (being it Sun, Novell or somebody else) to circumvent GPL and to close the source of the project. If Sun wanted to close the source of the project, it could just stop committing any

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-22 Thread Laurent Godard
Hi joerg For the web install, see Mathias' answer. If we support that and make it easy for anyone to upload their macros to an 'official' repository the security risk is really high. I agree (hum almost as i strongly would like a repository :) ), there should be an audit of every macro/addon

[discuss] Type 1 fonts

2005-04-22 Thread KGIsIt
Dear Peter! Thanks for getting back on me. What is a level 1 font. Can you give more details about what isn't happening? TYPE 1 fonts are fonts that are often adressed as Postscript fonts (file extension: PFM, contrary to TTF). They are used by professionals - most fonts used in magazines

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Nicu Buculei
Nicu Buculei wrote: Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Why JCA is considered evil? It is considered a backdoor permitting the receiver of JCA (being it Sun, Novell or somebody else) to circumvent GPL and to close the source of the project. Well, this is a *theoretical* situation of what *could* happen, I'm

Re: [discuss] Print Even, Print Odd, WHERE ARE THEY?

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
Rich Davenport wrote: I didn't use open office 1.X.X because I couldn't find an easy way to print only the even pages or only the odd pages of a docment. MS word has an easy way of selecting this in the printer window but it's not apparent or doesn't exist in Open Office. Why would anyone want

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Sophie GAUTIER wrote: If people saw that, I think we would have made a step forward. Part of that is seeing that there is progress going on. You know, seeing light at the end of the tunnel. imho this is what is worked here :) Yes, Joerg has been fantastic. If they can maintain the stability of

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Joerg Barfurth
Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera wrote: sarcasm Whooo hoo, you get to keep the copyright for your own work. Now that's a selling point /sarcasm Many OSS projects (almost all big ones faik) have some form of copyright assignment. Not all of them care as much for contributers' worries. Suppose you are

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Jeu 21 avril 2005 21:40, Daniel Carrera a écrit : Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Besides yourself (and you are not a developer), By definition, anyone who hasn't signed the JCA is not a developer. So let's stick to a more useful concept, like potential developer. Unless you mean to imply

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Joerg Barfurth wrote: Many OSS projects (almost all big ones faik) have some form of copyright assignment. Not all of them care as much for contributers' worries. Yes. But in my (limited) experience, I never saw them saying giving us your copyright is ok because we let you keep it too. Suppose

Re: [discuss] Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?

2005-04-22 Thread Sophie GAUTIER
Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera a crit : Sophie GAUTIER wrote: If people saw that, I think we would have made a step forward. Part of that is seeing that there is progress going on. You know, seeing light at the end of the tunnel. imho this is what is worked here :) Yes, Joerg has been fantastic. If

[discuss] Re: Type 1 fonts

2005-04-22 Thread Martin J Hooper
Johan Vromans wrote: TrueType is an implementation technique of more recent date. And nowadays there's OTF (Open Type Font) that tries to combine the strenghts of Type1 and TTF. Is the the type of font that has an italic O icon in Windows XP?? Often wondered what the difference was between the

Re: [discuss] Incompatibility between OpenOffice 2.0 Writer and Microsoft Word

2005-04-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Ven 22 avril 2005 8:03, Christian Einfeldt a écrit : Hi Bill, I have read your post with great interest. More comments in line... On Monday 18 April 2005 17:57, Bill Wilken wrote: I do believe, however, that the sponsors of OpenOffice would do well to remember how Microsoft succeeded

Re: [discuss] Re: Type 1 fonts

2005-04-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Ven 22 avril 2005 13:00, Johan Vromans a écrit : [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are used by professionals - most fonts used in magazines are Type 1 fonts. I'm not a typesetter; but to my knowledge these fonts are used because they look better. How a font looks is a matter of font

Re: [discuss] Newbie Question about Open Office 2.0 Calc

2005-04-22 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Quoting Paige Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am running Windows Me, I have my screen resolution set and 1024X768 When I open Open Office 2.0 Beta Calc, everything looks fine EXCEPT the font in the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheets. That particular font is appears to be almost unreadable -- way

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Joerg Barfurth
Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera wrote: OTOH if you insist on using a license that prevents Sun from using your contribution in OOo, then that shows a very asymmetric attitude: That's a separate issue now. Let's not confuse (1) giving your copyright to Sun with (2) a particular choice of license. I

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance [Was: Has sun sacked half its developers?]

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Ah, alright. Got it. Well... you have a point. We could require people to submit the addons under the same license as OOo itself. I think many people would be receptive to that. It sounds reasonable, and it sounds Perl-ish. :-) Cheers, Daniel. Joerg Barfurth wrote: Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera

[discuss] Re: Newbie Question about Open Office 2.0 Calc

2005-04-22 Thread Martin J Hooper
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Quoting Paige Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am running Windows Me, I have my screen resolution set and 1024X768 When I open Open Office 2.0 Beta Calc, everything looks fine EXCEPT the font in the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheets. That particular font is appears to be

Re: [discuss] shortcuts quickstarter

2005-04-22 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 25--2005 08:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Lynch) wrote to discuss@openoffice.org: But if you login to the OOo website and go to http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/enter_bug.cgi?component=%2ATestproduct there is not much difference between the current form and minizilla IL Small things make a big

Re: [discuss] Newbie Question about Open Office 2.0 Calc

2005-04-22 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Thursday 21 April 2005 17:35, Paige Miller wrote: I am running Windows Me, I have my screen resolution set and 1024X768 When I open Open Office 2.0 Beta Calc, everything looks fine EXCEPT the font in the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheets. That particular font is appears to be almost

[discuss] Spanish spelling corrections

2005-04-22 Thread Francisco Luis Miró Quesada Westphalen
Hello: I'm new to Open Office. I'm leaving MS Office, but when I started using the Word Processor (vesion 1.1.0 in Spanish) I noticed it didn't tell me where I was having spelling mistakes as MS Word did. I want to know if you have this feature already and how can I do to enable it. Best Regards.

Re: [discuss] Print Even, Print Odd, WHERE ARE THEY?

2005-04-22 Thread Chris BONDE
I didn't use open office 1.X.X because I couldn't find an easy way to print only the even pages or only the odd pages of a docment. MS word has an easy way of selecting this in the printer window but it's not apparent or doesn't exist in Open Office. Why would anyone want this? It makes

[discuss] all footnotes together

2005-04-22 Thread Gabriel Lorenzo Lagunes Castillo
I´ve being using openoffice for a time now and I´m very pleased with the product. Nevertheless, there is one feature Microsoft Word has that I find very usefull and don´t find it in Openoffice.org or StarOffice: see my footnotes all together at the bottom of the screen so I can properly edit

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-22 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Thursday 21 April 2005 21:14, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: Justin Clift wrote: snip... These kinds of software tactics are *so* sleazy. :( Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Yes, I agree. It took a near miracle to finally figure out how to get MSN Messenger off my computer. Try

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Pavel Jank wrote: Are you part of the same FOSS community as I am? What FOSS community are you talking about? Do you have some evidences for your statements? Uhmm... I think I am talking about the same community. I am referring to what I see on public forums like Newsforge, Groklaw, LinuxToday

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Pavel Jank wrote: Why do you think that you have to sign JCA to write an extension to OOo? I thought that anything and everything that ships with OOo required the JCA. Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Pavel Janík
From: Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:04:48 -0400 You are making the mistake of trying to convince *me* or *Nicu* that Sun is ok. The general feeling in the FOSS community is of very deep mistrust of Sun. Are you part of the same FOSS community as I

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Pavel Janík
From: Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:42:55 -0400 The JCA might be easier to sell if people are allowed to get started on simpler, self-contained components first. You could say, for example, that add-ons don't require the JCA, but contributions to the

[discuss] RE: discuss Digest 22 Apr 2005 15:29:28 -0000 Issue 1796

2005-04-22 Thread Victor Xin (Houston)
Please unsubscrib me from the list, Thanks - Weike Xin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:29 AM To: discuss@openoffice.org Subject: discuss Digest 22 Apr 2005 15:29:28 - Issue 1796 File:

Re: [discuss] Patch acceptance

2005-04-22 Thread Daniel Carrera
Mathias Bauer wrote: [snip: deployment should be easy] End users should use the package manager dialog. I can't see a big barrier here, though of course UI is always a matter of taste. When I wrote my first macros, that package manager didn't exist. So that was my experience. That if I wanted to

Re: [discuss] Type 1 fonts

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Peter! Thanks for getting back on me. What is a level 1 font. Can you give more details about what isn't happening? TYPE 1 fonts are fonts that are often adressed as Postscript fonts (file extension: PFM, contrary to TTF). They are used by professionals - most

Re: [discuss] RE: discuss Digest 22 Apr 2005 15:29:28 -0000 Issue 1796

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Victor Xin (Houston) wrote: Please unsubscrib me from the list, Thanks - Weike Xin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peter Kupfer -- Using OOo since 'OO4 -- [EMAIL

Re: [discuss] OT: Windows Update spyware

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Justin Clift wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: snip Yes, I agree. It took a near miracle to finally figure out how to get MSN Messenger off my computer. Try this: In Add/Remove, click on the button about Window's Components on the right. See if it is in there. *Awesome* Yep, that did it. :)

Re: [discuss] Spanish spelling corrections

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Francisco Luis Miró Quesada Westphalen wrote: Hello: I'm new to Open Office. I'm leaving MS Office, but when I started using the Word Processor (vesion 1.1.0 in Spanish) I noticed it didn't tell me where I was having spelling mistakes as MS Word did. I want to know if you have this feature already