t: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:15 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework: Update
Thanks Charlie for the clarifications!
I'm sure that I don't have the perspective to do a rigorous evaluation of
ColdBox or any framework for that matte
eople at
BellSouth. In the old days, my development team used CF 1.5 for a prototype
back in 1996, and we used jrun for a while, too!
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Arehart
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:53 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Di
Hey Clarke, I caught your comment here, that
> I was originally going to start with ColdBox to learn a ColdFusion
framework. But, I quickly got lost in the complexity. To really use ColdBox,
you
> end up needing to know Coldspring and Transfer. But, since each of those
has a learning curve,
For those of you who are interested in how I'm learning CFWheels, I've added
a jump page to organize my blog posts.
http://www.resultantsys.com/index.php/cfwheels
Please let me know what you think!
Clarke
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Clarke Bishop
Sen
Clarke,
I used to be on the mailing list for CF Wheels in earlier versions. It has
a solid approach.
Now, one of your statements about your selection of a framework mentions
that Transfer or Reactor was a learning curve point. My warning to you is
that in the built in model syntax of CF Wheels,
If you look in the ReadMe on the root of the SVN, I think he says that
is a sample app.
On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Teddy R. Payne wrote:
> I read through the wiki for FW/1. For something small, there is still some
> nuance there. I see some code examples and where to put various files, but a
I read through the wiki for FW/1. For something small, there is still some
nuance there. I see some code examples and where to put various files, but
a sample application is what is really needed there. Perhaps I missed the
location of the sample application.
>From what he is describing is prob
Just to add to this discussion, the 'model' in mvc will contain
services, gateways, value objects, etc. These components (cfc based 99%
of the time) interact with either another application (which may be an
entirely different MVC app) or a database engine (which you could yet
again be considere
Just to note on FW1 it is very small. I think Sean is trying to bridge
the gap between procedural and fusebox people and the heavier
frameworks. FW1 is light and design to be easy to use. Should come in
handy for certain apps.
John
ma...@fusionlink.com
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
to add to this
to add to this whole topic
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/Introducing_FW1
Mr Corfield is at work on yet another framework
Douglas Knudsen
http://www.cubicleman.com
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Dean H. Saxe
wrote:
> That's the point
That's the point of MVC. The view is independent of the controller
and the data (er, model).
-dhs
--
Dean H. Saxe
d...@fullfrontalnerdity.com
"A true conservationist is a person who knows that the world is not
given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children." -- John James
Audubon
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Dean H.
Saxe wrote:
> The data is the model. The view is Flex/Ajax.
Some Flex (AIR) apps store their own data internally in addition to
interacting with data on the server. Flex apps can have their own
controllers, and their own model. Sometimes these resemble t
My understanding is your model is a model of the application data, and the
data resulting from a call to an event is rendered in place of the view.
The controller orchestrates everything up through the data rendering, then
your front-end technology consumes the data for display.
I guess in a gener
The data is the model. The view is Flex/Ajax.
-dhs
--
Dean H. Saxe
d...@fullfrontalnerdity.com
"A true conservationist is a person who knows that the world is not
given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children." -- John James
Audubon
On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Burnham
I'd argue that by using Flex or Ajax you are not using MVC anymore, but you
are using a remote event-driven framework. The M & C would still be there,
but the framework doesn't render a view - it's rendering data.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Dean H. Saxe
wrote:
> ORM has nothing to do with
ORM has nothing to do with MVC. ORM is all about mapping objects to
relational databases. One can use MVC without objects and without a
relational database. Conversely, one can use an ORM without using
MVC. So the two sets of frameworks should not be confused.
-dhs
--
Dean H. Saxe
d...
I'd argue that if you can't use one of these MVC frameworks with Flex or
AJAX, it might not be so MVC, eh? :)
Also to point out, ORMs are really a extension of these tools mentioned,
they are not MVC frameworks on their own.
Douglas Knudsen
http://www.cubicleman.com
this is my signature, like it
helpful.
/charlie
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Teddy R. Payne
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:06 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework
Tim,
If anything, it is a possible new approach that can be an
Flex calling a framework is a nice feature. Model-Glue, unless it has
changed recently, takes advantage of ColdSpring.
Using the RemoteObjectProxy in ColdSpring made it pretty simple to create a
webservice that calls the result of several dependent CFC objects created in
the application to be ava
Clarke,
Tom said, Model-Glue feels more comfortable than Mach-II.
>
Well, I said "to me." YMMV.
> But, unless one of you says “Oh My, that’s a big mistake!”, I’m going to
> start with ColdBox.
>
Not a bit. Luis Majano has done a pretty amazing job. I just haven't had the
time to give ColdBox a r
s an MVC framework and seems to be mainstream with
> substantial support behind it.
>
>
>
> I’m also taking Teddy’s advice and I’ve signed up for the ColdBox eMail
> list.
>
>
>
> I’ll keep you posted on my progress!
>
>
>
> Clarke
>
>
>
> *Fr
again!
Clarke
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:03 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework
What did I hear fusebox compared to recently on twitterh. Cold
Clarke,
So far, everyone's been very even-handed about not really recommending one
framework. And while I won't contradict that (in fact, I'll +1 it), I'll say
that I'm very, very comfortable with Model-Glue. I used Mach-II in its
pre-1.0 days, and for a while after. And I have less than no knowle
Tim,
The built-in ORM in CF9 is Java's Hibernate under the covers. What I expect
to see in MVC frameworks that use a current ORM like Transfer or Reactor
will probably provide an ability to use the native ORM engine when CF9
becomes gold. There may be a benefit in performance with using a native
se
> frameworks. What do you think might be best for me?
>
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
>
> Clarke
>
>
>
> *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Douglas
> Knudsen
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:03 PM
> *To:* discussion@acfug.
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frameworks. What do you think might be best for me?
Thanks again!
Clarke
From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:03 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework
What di
What did I hear fusebox compared to recently on twitterh. Coldbox
sounds promising, it showed up whilst I was away in Flex land. Seems to me,
without fanning flames, mach-ii, coldbox, or model glue will be handy dandy
to learn. The principles learned in either of these will apply in the
Uh, here it comes, the annual framework debate. :-) I’m only joking, Clarke.
It’s a reasonable question.
The good news is that you will indeed get opinions. You’ll just have to sift
through them. I think the problem with the discussion is that there’s no one
good answer. As with so many thin
the built it
functionality of CF9?
--- On Sat, 7/18/09, Charlie Arehart wrote:
From: Charlie Arehart
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework
To: discussion@acfug.org
Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:39 PM
Uh, here it comes, the annual framework debate
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