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Posted here to ensure I can find it again, but a great entry for [R|T]FM
resources.
Ross
From: Ross Gardler
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:57 PM
To: diversity@apache.org
Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world
Agreed RTM
ble to find it. An M with a reference to it would be awesome.
I'll try to find it when on a proper device.
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From: Rich Bowen
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:37:40 AM
To: diversity@apache.org
Subject: Re: Diversity in
On 5/10/19 8:18 PM, Craig Russell wrote:
But then I think that RTFM is not a good answer to a serious question.
Perhaps not, but RTM is often, even usually, a good answer. ie, omitting
the "F" and calmly and respectfully pointing them to the M, and asking
them to R it, if their question
Hi Naomi,
> On May 10, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Naomi Slater wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:18, Craig Russell wrote:
>
>> I think that RTFM is not a good answer to a serious question.
>
>
> it's about context
>
> if there's a thread on here about ways in which Apache marginalizes people,
On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:18, Craig Russell wrote:
> I think that RTFM is not a good answer to a serious question.
it's about context
if there's a thread on here about ways in which Apache marginalizes people,
and we're having a back and forth about it, and someone new on the list
chips in
On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 01:43, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> You will note, however, that I I posted the first reply and tried to call
> our the bias in the individuals initial mail. It is unfair to claim I'm
> somehow singling you out. I am *not* singling you out.
sure, you have responded to people
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> From: Naomi Slater
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:21 PM
> To: diversity@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world
>
> Ross,
>
> Geertjan’s “humor” was racist, transsexist, and disrespectful. mine was
> deserved, after a long thread of him
the opportunity to help me
help you?
Ross
From: Naomi Slater
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:21 PM
To: diversity@apache.org
Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world
Ross,
Geertjan’s “humor” was racist, transsexist, and disrespectful. mine was
deserved, after a long thread
>>
>> From: Naomi Slater
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM
>> To: diversity@apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world
>>
>> productive thread after all
>>
>> On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertja
uot;humor" you (rightly)
> pulled Geertjan up on earlier. Lets hold everyone to the same standard.
>
> Ross
>
>
> From: Naomi Slater
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM
> To: diversity@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world
Diversity in a diverse world
productive thread after all
On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation
> to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether
> someone is a t
productive thread after all
On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation
> to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether
> someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically
While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation
to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether
someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically going to unsubscribe
from this mailing list.
Gj
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shane
Mark Thomas wrote on 5/10/19 4:22 PM:
> On 10/05/2019 20:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> Yes, I have a lot to learn — for example, I don’t know nor care about the
>> sexual or gender orientation of anyone in the Apache community where I’m
>> focused on: Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> Can you simply
> > Hijab
> > > > > > signifies sexism is contested by every single woman I have
> > known
> > > > who
> > > > > wears
> > > > > > one (which admittedly is a low number and not at all
> > > representative
>
>
> > > > > That said, there are problems everywhere. We can't solve the
> > > problems
> > > > > there, it's not our place to. But we can solve our problems
> here
> > in
> > > > the ASF.
> > > > >
> > > > > F
t; she is wearing it because of inequality in her culture then we
> are
> > > not
> > > > creating a welcoming environment. We are creating barriers
> between
> > > her and
> > > > us because of assumptions based on what our own culture teaches
>
at we can
> directly
> > influence but we can still make her welcome within our community.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:27 AM
> > T
ly
> influence but we can still make her welcome within our community.
>
> Ross
>
>
> From: Geertjan Wielenga
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:27 AM
> To: diversity@apache.org
> Subject: Diversity in a diverse world
>
> Hi all,
us. In
> >> my (admittedly limited) experience such a woman is likely wearing the Hajib
> >> because she chooses to do so and we should respect her right to make that
> >> choice.
> >>
> >> If it's not a choice for her then it's not something that we can directly
> >> influence but
On 2019-05-09 15:27, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> I'm not assuming at all that a hijab signifies sexism
Point of clarification: the women you described were wearing *burkas*,
not hijabs or niqabs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241
I'll comment more thoroughly on this thread later.
. We can't solve the problems
>> > >> there, it's not our place to. But we can solve our problems here in
>> the ASF.
>> > >>
>> > >> For example, if a woman is attending an ASF event in a Hijab and we
>> > >> assume she is wear
event in a Hijab and we
> > >> assume she is wearing it because of inequality in her culture then we
> are
> > >> not creating a welcoming environment. We are creating barriers
> between her
> > >> and us because of assumptions based on what our own culture teac
kely wearing the Hajib
> >> because she chooses to do so and we should respect her right to make that
> >> choice.
> >>
> >> If it's not a choice for her then it's not something that we can directly
> >> influence but we can still make her welcome with
rom: Geertjan Wielenga
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:27 AM
> To: diversity@apache.org
> Subject: Diversity in a diverse world
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just a trigger warning here -- I was in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia last week,
> giving a course in which Apache NetBeans was us
Thank you for sharing this story Geertjan.
As context on how I interact and drive conversations, my approach is to confirm
that my understanding of essential and crucial information shared with me is
aligned with the sender/emisor's original intention, as a result, I tend to ask
a lot of
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