[DNG] Spam filtering on this list.

2020-01-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
My prior 3 posts to this list, on the "Alternatives to synaptic?" thread, ended in my spam folder, because the listserver's headers included: X-IronPort-SPAM: SPAM But further down, SpamAssassin disagrees, giving no false positive. I guess that IronPort is not useful here. I'll try using only

Re: [DNG] Pager (was Re: Alternatives to synaptic?)

2020-01-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.01.20 20:18, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > # There's still no zpager, even after asking for it two decades ago :-O > # > # https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=49942 In the "less" manpage, under the "INPUT PREPROCESSOR" heading, "two scripts will allow you to keep files in

Re: [DNG] Alternatives to synaptic?

2020-01-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.01.20 11:10, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > On Fri 10/Jan/2020 01:35:55 +0100 Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 09.01.20 17:44, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > >> > >> Synaptic is convenient as it allows to search for keywords, e.g. "pdf", and >

Re: [DNG] Alternatives to synaptic?

2020-01-09 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 09.01.20 17:44, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > is there a recommended GUI package browser for Devuan? > > After migrating, synaptic isn't installed. If I try to install it, it says it > needs policykit-1. Since the latter seems to be akin to systemd, I reply 'n'. > > Synaptic

Re: [DNG] disable elogind messages?

2019-11-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.11.19 05:12, hal wrote: > My mail server is doing the exact same thing when running fetchmail for > several accounts. Every few minutes cron rolls through 4 or 5 accounts, > runs fetchmail, and terminates leaving all those `elogind` messages in > syslog. But there's no earthly need for

Re: [DNG] Fonts in testing/unstable are some ugly.

2019-10-12 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 08.10.19 08:54, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 02:38:27PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2019 Tue, 8 Oct 08:32:22 -0400 > > Hendrik Boom scripsit: > > > I ask because I'm having trouble choosing a font size in xterm. > > > > xfontsel > > OK. Just tried it.

Re: [DNG] why does mount expect NTFS?

2019-08-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 11.08.19 08:18, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 02:13:48PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > $ blkid /dev/sdb1 > > /dev/sdb1: LABEL="fred" UUID="7713e1b5-1bdf-41d1-9aa9" TYPE="ext2" > > > > As you have not specifi

Re: [DNG] why does mount expect NTFS?

2019-08-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.08.19 21:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > So I want to find out what's in /dev/sda4 on my hard drive. The > computer has *never* had Windows on it. So I try to mount it, and am > told: > > april:/farhome/hendrik# mount /dev/sda4 /test > NTFS signature is missing. > Failed to mount '/dev/sda4':

Re: [DNG] email clients: was Where to reply for Steve Litt

2019-05-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.05.19 18:42, Rick Moen wrote: > And yes, I've heard many times that mbox is terrible and that I should > use Maildir instead because it's much better for NFS file locking and > for IMAP access. But: no NFS here, no IMAP here. Thus, no NFS > problems and no IMAP problems. > > The

Re: [DNG] calendars, contacts, to do lists

2019-05-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.05.19 17:12, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:00 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I'm looking for software to handle appointment calendars, contact > > lists, and todo lists. > > VimOutliner is how you handle todo lists. It even has branch-wide > completion statistics.

Re: [DNG] /var/lib/dbus/machine-id -- new dbus version

2019-03-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 11.03.19 10:32, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Unitil I will migrate to Beowulf, I guess adopt this proposed solution: > > 1) symlink /etc/machine-id to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > 2) run boot: echo date +%s%N | md5sum | cut -c 1-32 > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id > > So please help me: what

[DNG] Mounting USB drives [Was: Re: Help testing new policykit in Beowulf

2019-02-12 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.02.19 06:39, stanz via Dng wrote: > Could not mount USB drives as regular user until apt install 'gvfs' package. Sounds like that gvfs package does a lot more. All I've ever had to do was: # apt-get install pmount Here that's mostly used to unmount a drive mounted automagically on

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 09.01.19 13:48, Simon Walter wrote: > This still did not work. So after learning about connman, I decided to > try that. I removed NetworkManager and reinstalled connman and the > "systray" app cmst "just worked". I cringe at that phrase. Sorry if it > disturbs you too. LOL > > So I think I

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 03.12.18 00:47, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:53:39PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > > > you control. > > > > > >   Some mail servers and clients do use it to determine if a

Re: [DNG] merging /tmp

2018-11-27 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 27.11.18 22:28, Rick Moen wrote several juciy tips, including: > (Depending on your system, you probably want to ensure that /var/lib > and /var/spool are served from elsewhere, either separate filesystems > of their own or symlinks to trees elsewhere /like to dirs under /home > or some such.)

Re: [DNG] merging /tmp

2018-11-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 24.11.18 22:41, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 02:40:31PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 06:47:42PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > > >     In my last install, I still had /tmp and /var on separate partitions, > > > but I'm questionning the validity of

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

2018-11-21 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.11.18 17:11, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 21/11/18 at 13:17, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I've been following the discussion with interest. > > >   No, you definitely have not followed it.  In fact you are disregarding > all the points that were expressed against the merge. >

Re: [DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon

2018-10-21 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.10.18 08:18, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-10-21 08:10, schrieb Steve Litt: > > In Devuan, what's the command to permanently prevent sysvinit from > > starting a daemon. > > man update-rc.d > > You can remove or disable a service. And e.g. "view /etc/rc2.d/README" recites chapter and verse,

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-18 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote: > OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer > terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps whose > data is on the central server? The price of hardware was entirely different back then, making re-use much more

Re: [DNG] who is working for who (was Avahi (was Weird network issue))

2018-10-17 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.10.18 22:53, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > For real fun, turn on Avahi along with all the pulse audio stuff. > > Watch your network get flooded with multi-cast audio. > > Scramble to shut it down as fast as you can. Errrm, devuan ascii is running both of those OOTB. On another current thread,

[DNG] That part SOLVED. Re: No audio on speakers [Was: Re: Audio woes in Ascii - speakers but no headphones

2018-10-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.10.18 17:51, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 12.10.18 00:00, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >   I'd go for the sledgehammer: > > > > apt-get -y purge pulseaudio > > Sounds good to me. What would one substitute, to provide sound instead? > > "No sound&qu

[DNG] No audio on speakers [Was: Re: Audio woes in Ascii - speakers but no headphones

2018-10-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 12.10.18 00:00, Alessandro Selli wrote: >   I'd go for the sledgehammer: > > apt-get -y purge pulseaudio Sounds good to me. What would one substitute, to provide sound instead? "No sound" has today hit me too, after bringing my Devuan ascii/ceres box up after some weeks in storage. At

Re: [DNG] su root missing sbin on beowulf

2018-08-22 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 22.08.18 12:10, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 04:24:38PM +1000, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: > > I installed ascii onto a new machine with ascii-netinstall iso and > > immediately upgraded to beowulf. The machine is a headless VM and > > has no GUI installed. > > > > I notice when

Re: [DNG] Another angry systemd user

2018-07-13 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.07.18 12:59, J. Fahrner wrote: > Nice to read (experience of a german computer scientist) > > English: > https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de=en=y=_t=de=UTF-8=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.danisch.de%2Fblog%2F2018%2F07%2F10%2Fsystemd-war-eine-massive-fehlentscheidung%2F==url > > Deutsch: >

Re: [DNG] Intergenerational sniping: was who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.07.18 10:37, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:46:46 +1000 > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > Ego drives young men to reinvent the wheel, then declaim "mine is > > grand, and I deprecate (piss on) the old." ... > To make your statement true, yo

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.07.18 09:32, Lars Noodén wrote: > > Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only > > commands that are no better? > > Looking at the comparison table in that link, not only are the new > utilities and order of magnitude more complex they also fail to deliver > many of

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.06.18 14:07, KatolaZ wrote: > I will continue telling people what I think they should know, but the > only way out of ignorance is knowledge, awareness, and individual > action. You can't force people to get interested, to learn, to become > responsible, to understand, to agree with you, to

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.06.18 12:04, Simon Hobson wrote: > FWIW, even technical users can lack what some may think is “really > basic knowledge” - I fell that the most important thing I’ve learned > over the years is just how much I don’t know ! Despite using *nix exclusively for three decades now, linux for

Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?

2018-06-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.06.18 12:28, li...@michaelranft.com wrote: > easiest way would be a > tail -fn 50 /var/log/messages > before or right after plugging it in to determine the device's name from /var/ > log/messages. Ctrl-c finishes output from tail Many thanks. With that, a quick: $ pmount /dev/sdb1

Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?

2018-06-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems associated > HB> with usbmount? > > pmount may be what you want. > > I've not used it on devuan (or debian), but it works well on my gentoo > workstation.

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-05 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 05.05.18 05:32, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > But whilst I still can, I'll at least run my own servers and rely on the > "cloud" as little as possible. Librem 5 phone coming next year for me. If there isn't an ARM board sufficiently free of remote control parasitic low level engines, then perhaps

Re: [DNG] Keys swapped on cordless keyboard.

2018-04-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.04.18 23:55, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2018, at 22:55, Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > > > If there's some way to guess what map a Logitech wireless keyboard needs, > > it'd be really useful. Here in Australia, key

Re: [DNG] Keys swapped on cordless keyboard.

2018-04-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.04.18 14:01, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:55:56PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > > As indicated by the "~/.Xmodmap", I do use X. Curiously, > > Then, as I suggested in my email, you should use setxkbmap (provided > that you are no

Re: [DNG] Keys swapped on cordless keyboard.

2018-04-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.04.18 12:51, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 09:12:13PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Not many issues with devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST, but for the > > moment I have to hit '@' for '"' and '"' for '@'. That's on a Logitech > >

[DNG] Keys swapped on cordless keyboard.

2018-04-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
Not many issues with devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_i386_NETINST, but for the moment I have to hit '@' for '"' and '"' for '@'. That's on a Logitech cordless keyboard. OK, for myself, I can remap them in ~/.Xmodmap, but is a more general fix called for? Erik

[DNG] Avoiding CDROM issues during USB flash install [Was: Re: Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-26 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.03.18 09:10, muba...@openmailbox.org wrote: > Erik!, you get this error when you are installing devuan from 2.0 > DVD?. Or after the installation complete successfully, and you want to > install some package from the DVD after mounting it? Hi Mubarak, My installation was from USB flash. As

Re: [DNG] awk deepcopy demonstration

2018-03-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 22.03.18 14:58, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Awk has two kinds of variables: scalars which are strings or ints or > floats, and arrays. Arrays are more like LUA tables or Python dicts or > Perl hashes in that you can use any scalar as a subscript. > Multidimensional arrays are doable but

[DNG] Successful Ascii install on Udoo X86 [Was: Re: Solved with Jessie netinst, but not Ascii.

2018-03-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 22.03.18 20:08, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Shouldn't that be of=/dev/sdb, without the 1? But last time I copied an > installer ISO to a stick, I simply used the cp command. Thank you for that catch, Olaf. Ascii installs fine on my Udoo X86 now. The only oddness experienced is that placing grub

[DNG] Sharing netinstalls [Was: Re: Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-22 Thread Erik Christiansen
thinking in terms of the packages I've installed. On 20.03.18 15:08, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 20:04:12 +1100 > Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > > I've used dpkg -i on a single deb on several occasions, but that would > > be tedious

[DNG] Devuan jessie booting to a blank screen [Was: Re: Solved with Jessie netinst, but not Ascii.

2018-03-22 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.03.18 19:58, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 19.03.18 11:46, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > as a workaround, I'd try to use the netinstall image, if there's a > > connection available for that machine. > > Thanks Florian, that worked with devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i3

Re: [DNG] Solved with Jessie netinst, but not Ascii. [Was: Re: Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-22 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.03.18 15:26, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:58:08 +1100 > Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > > "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt. > > DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" > > Tha

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 14:15, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:12:00 +1100 > Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > > Would half a dozen net installs necessitate six times > > the downloads? > > > Depending on your plans, I'd sa

[DNG] Solved with Jessie netinst, but not Ascii. [Was: Re: Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 11:46, Florian Zieboll wrote: > as a workaround, I'd try to use the netinstall image, if there's a > connection available for that machine. Thanks Florian, that worked with devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_NETINST.iso Most interesting is that it also went through the "Mounting CD-ROM" stage,

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 11:46, Florian Zieboll wrote: > Hallo Erik, > > as a workaround, I'd try to use the netinstall image, if there's a > connection available for that machine. Ah yes, don't insist on digging through the landslide ... go around. It's late-ish here. Tomorrow I'll look up how to do that.

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 10:20, KatolaZ wrote: > Maybe you have a strange USB controller? You mentioned you had the > same problem with a Debian image, right? Yes. If I could only remember how that was successfully dodged. I'll dig in some list traffic to see if I can find it. That's even more needed now,

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 09:59, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 08:47:25PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Sounds like I should download ascii for a devuan which can find the > > CDROM on the USB. Just not tonight, as it's a bit late to start that > > now. > > > &

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 09:27, Roland Gebhard Sidler wrote: > Hi, > > I installed the ISO on a USB-Stick and even a Micro-SD-card using > "etcher-electron" and it worked like a charm. > > The only thing is, that you have to disable the CD-ROM-line in sources.list > to avoid any future errors and to enable

Re: [DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.03.18 09:50, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 19/03/2018 à 08:20, Erik Christiansen a écrit : > > With devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_CD.iso on a flash stick, inserted in a > > nifty little Udoo-X86, installation reaches the "Checking for CDROM" > > stage, then stops becau

[DNG] Does devuan install from USB really need a CDROM?

2018-03-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
With devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_CD.iso on a flash stick, inserted in a nifty little Udoo-X86, installation reaches the "Checking for CDROM" stage, then stops because it wants one. I had the same issue with debian¹, but can't remember how I tickled it to complete the install from USB back then. (With

Re: [DNG] PostScript [was: printing in a D-Bus free system]

2018-03-17 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.03.18 01:18, Didier Kryn wrote: >     It is always tricky to properly scale the drawing on the page: although > svg has no explicit dimension, the applications all seem to assume it has > some, and it's never the one which makes the image match the page size of > the printer. Maybe the

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

2018-03-17 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.03.18 21:23, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote: > > Gak, they are the reliable ones. > > Everything later only lasts for a few years and you have to buy another > > round of hardware. > > Often hardware is discarded due to failed electrolytic

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.03.18 22:08, KatolaZ wrote: > FYI > > As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be > covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might > forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of > putting together a summary of DSAs once a

[DNG] Postscript gymnastics [Was: Re: [OT] Re: printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.03.18 08:40, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 06:41:50PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > > In PostScript, I don't readily find any built-in operators that could > > give a result that differs on every run, so you probably have to > > [cut] > > Yes, that's the problem. And that,

Re: [DNG] Backup revisited - the rsync time machine

2018-02-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 02.02.18 17:32, Joel Roth wrote: > Probably you all have something much better, but for the > sake of discussion, and will post my humble offering. Not better, but a data point for anyone else backing up to a flash drive, which is convenient for the off-site backup. Rsync compares checksums

Re: [DNG] elogind testing for experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.01.18 17:34, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 06:03:59PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     But wether that session is local or not is, in my opinion, and as I > > already said, futile; and it seems to be mostly used as a justification to > > develop a tangle of daemons and middleware

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-14 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 12.01.18 12:22, Don Wright wrote: > Antony Stone wrote: > > >So what do you classify it as? > > > >Proprietary? Closed source? Commercial? > > > >What label works best for you? > > Malware? > > (Admit you left the door open for that one and we'll move on.) > > Perhaps it's not really bad

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-14 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 14.01.18 13:04, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2018 at 12:29:09, aitor_czr wrote: > > But... what's ldd? Synaptic sends me to buildd. By the way, including > > the backports in jessie, i can't install mini-buildd : ... > I only know ldd as: > > 1.

Re: [DNG] Should I, or should I not, make a Devuan VimOutliner package?

2018-01-09 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 09.01.18 10:52, Steve Litt wrote: > I'm thinking of making the Devuan VimOutliner package use double comma. > I'd take the Debian package and replace all appropriate double > backslashes with double commas. Steve, If a foreign distro has forked your original, then in our distro it seems

Re: [DNG] Devuan in the German Wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.12.17 10:08, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Bundling various functionalities associated with an OS with an init, > is a subtle way of 'encouraging' users to stick with that 'init'. That seems overly kind to an obvious effort to create an M$-like monolith which is too expensive time-wise to adapt

Re: [DNG] Text editor ?

2017-12-11 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.12.17 22:16, ael wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 07:09:27PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? > > Almost every non trivial editor will do that: my favorite is vim. > Vim (gvim is the GUI version) offers a

[DNG] Procmail mutterings [Was: Re: Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.11.17 05:50, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2017 10 Nov 02:40 -0600, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > Nate Bargmann writes: > > >I've also used Procmail for an > > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > > > Who claims that? > > Some months back I was looking for some

Re: [DNG] "the more you do, the stronger your voice"

2017-10-14 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 14.10.17 09:19, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Although this belongs to devuan-dev I am posting this here for general > discussion. > > I think, the principle should hold indefinitely as anyone working on > Devuan's projects, is doing it for free in their free time. Since > there is no payment

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.09.17 08:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > I have very little doubt Intel put backdoors in Udoo. Why else would Udoo go > back on the promise of Open Hardware, and go dirt cheap in comparison to > competitors? My Udoo X86 makes a very nice video streamer and snappy browser host. Let the Rooshians

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.09.17 10:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..I still miss and prefer the S.u.S.E.-5.2 way, root had a > nice red background color in xterms, fairly hard to miss. If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to > > > > And that's not possible fo

[DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to > enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to offer a Linux > system without systemd. Errr, Devuan's reason for _existing_ is to eschew systemd. Absolutely nothing

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-08 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 07.09.17 17:34, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 07.09.2017 16:12, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > If the firewall is on a FPGA, then we know what every gate is doing, as > > we have the VHDL source for it. > > An purely FPGA-based firewall (w/o an

[DNG] OT: (almost), but tangentially on-topic Re: Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 07.09.17 15:42, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 16:32:42 +0200 > Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 11:51:46PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > I have tried asking nicely That was wise. It might have worked. &

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 07.09.17 14:05, Alessandro Selli wrote: > ROMB is the ROM Bypass and that too is builtin the PCH chip: > > Loading starts with the ROM program, which is contained in the > built-in PCH read-only memory. Unfortunately, no way to read or > rewrite this memory is known to the

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 07.09.17 13:32, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 09:17:20PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > If our hosts cannot be trusted not to phone home to folk wearing dark > > glasses, then would it not suffice to employ a simple embedded host with > > a small die

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Erik Christiansen
The notion of an extra embedded CPU or two on big Intel chips is not difficult to credit, but where is the postulated entire minix OS loaded from? If our hosts cannot be trusted not to phone home to folk wearing dark glasses, then would it not suffice to employ a simple embedded host with a small

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-09-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 02.09.17 14:49, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/09/2017 à 08:25, Erik Christiansen a écrit : > > Looking at "man ifrename", we see: > > > > -u Enable udev output mode. This enables proper integration of ifrename > > in the udev framework, udevd(8)

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-09-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.08.17 01:38, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Hi, > > We discussed a few weeks back in a dev meeting whether or not to revert > to jessie like naming scheme for ethernet interfaces by default. > > The eudev package (currently found in the experimental repos and at >

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames

2017-08-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.08.17 22:36, Hendrik Boom wrote: > If you want to be compaatible with what systemd does, you will end up > being as complicated as systemd. The entire premise for the existence of Devuan is to NOT BE LIKE SYSTEMD. If that can't be adhered to, then it's time to move on to FreeBSD. I hear

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.08.17 16:09, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 01:38:00AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > This would lead network interface names default to the old "eth0" or > > "wlan0" scheme, rather than the new(?) "enp0s3"-like scheme. It implies > > having "net.ifnames=1" in the kernel

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.08.17 01:38, Daniel Reurich wrote: > This would lead network interface names default to the old "eth0" or > "wlan0" scheme, rather than the new(?) "enp0s3"-like scheme. It implies > having "net.ifnames=1" in the kernel cmdline to get the "enp0s3"-like > scheme and not touching anything to

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-17 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 17.08.17 01:27, Eric wrote: > I was able to install enlightenment desktop from > > https://www.enlightenment.org > > I followed along with the directions on their download page and also from > the site: > > https://www.tecmint.com/install-enlightenment-on-devuan-linux/ > > > It works with

[DNG] Is a desktop needed? [Was: Which desktops are available in Devuan?]

2017-08-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.08.17 04:52, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > > > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life is > > the art of the possible. LXQt on ascii will be worth a try when it's > > out, though. > > H

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
Multiple replies here, to minimise list traffic: On 15.08.17 13:18, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000 > Sporting a similar user interace, but with increased stability, > parsamonious use of resources, and absolutely no allegience to systemd > is LXDE. For the past 4 years the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-15 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.08.17 20:03, Tom Cassidy wrote: > Have you thought about LXQt? Upstream LXDE stopped development a while > back and merged with Razor-qt into the new project running on Qt > instead of GTK. Oh, dear world, please slow down. I can't keep up. > Unfortunately it's only in repositories for

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-15 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.08.17 08:54, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi Erik, > > you are welcome to ask technical questions on this ML. There is no > stated prefrerence for the forum anywhere. ... Many thanks, KatolaZ, for the clarification. It seems that Devuan is a welcoming community, not averse to new members, after all.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-15 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.08.17 09:13, Edward Bartolo wrote: > As far as I can tell the default is XFCE. However, Linux is not MS > Windows meaning you can start off from a base system with just a > terminal. Then, you can install whatever graphical interface you want. > Keep in mind some desktop might be unavailable

[DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-15 Thread Erik Christiansen
Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite used to LXDE - especially the boot speed of the leaner environment. So the question is as put in