RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-18 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Guys, Please be careful with the wording that you are throwing out. Open Development and Open Source are very different things. Closed Development and Closed Source are also very different things. The Apple iPhone is semi-Closed Development, but Closed Source. Windows is Open Development,

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-18 Thread Nate Duehr
Very well put, Ed. I agree with your sentiments about open vs. closed and how it can be applied to different pieces of D-STAR differently, and that was the whole point of my reply and questions. Comparing D-STAR to iPhone is somewhat an Apples-to-Oranges (pun intended? - GRIN!) comparison

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-18 Thread Woodrick, Ed
] Re: Honest questions . Very well put, Ed. I agree with your sentiments about open vs. closed and how it can be applied to different pieces of D-STAR differently, and that was the whole point of my reply and questions. Comparing D-STAR to iPhone is somewhat an Apples-to-Oranges (pun intended

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
How many manufacturers have the code for their microprocessors published? Yes it is the same thing. Over the air is published, while a number of off the air items aren't published. I'd really like to get into the source code of some of my radios and change the way it does things, but I can't.

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where can one find information on them? Did they publish

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
[mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:09 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread John Hays
On May 17, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren’t open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where

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2010-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 03:57 AM 5/18/2010, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren't open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. This also has precedent. The exact same thing happened with Echolink,

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:22 AM 5/18/2010, you wrote: But if you would do a little legwork and reading, you'll find that indeed, the hotspots access the DPlus network and that the G4ULF repeater is accessing the G2 network. I think Nate is asking for the results of the reverse engineering, not (closed)

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 1:22 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: Nope, they aren't readily available for you to read. Did you see that written anywhere in what I said? Did you see me publish a URL to it? That's all I asked. Thank you for confirming that the answer is no, and that D-STAR development is as

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2010-05-17 Thread Ted Wrobel
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions . On 5/17/2010 1:22 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: Nope, they aren't readily available for you to read. Did you see that written anywhere in what I said? Did you see me publish a URL to it? That's all I asked

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On 5/17/2010 1:51 PM, John Hays wrote: On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren’t open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now. Which ones? Where can one

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Jay Maynard
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 05:31:49PM -0400, Ted Wrobel wrote: Take a deep breath, climb down off your high horse and find something else to do! You critical, repetitive comments add nothing to the group. If you dislike D-Star, or wish it was something else, why don't you go and create that

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions .....

2010-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
on the ID-1, it's fully documented and capable of millions of applications. From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:01 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Honest questions