Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-08 Thread jim clark
Hi On 8 Feb 2002, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? There are a great many possible contrasts even with a relatively small number of means. If you examine the data and then decide what contrasts to do, then you have in some

Re: how to adjust for variables

2002-01-31 Thread jim clark
Hi On 30 Jan 2002, Wuzzy wrote: Anyway I'm currently going on the definition of adjusted for 1 2 and 3 as the following equation: adjusted variable=variable^-variable (where variable-hat represents the variable predicted by 1 2 and 3 in a multivariate equation and variable is just the

Re: QUERY on multiple linear regression: predicted values show much

2002-01-24 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Rich Ulrich wrote: On 24 Jan 2002 07:09:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Einsporn) wrote: Jim Clark gave a fine answer to the question posed by Sangdon Lee. However, I am curious about the correlation and R-square figures given by Sangdon. Apparently, the R

Re: QUERY on multiple linear regression: predicted values show much

2002-01-23 Thread jim clark
Hi On 23 Jan 2002, Sangdon Lee wrote: I have one Y and two Xs (X1 and X2), and am trying to perform multiple linear regression. All Xs and Y variables are standardized (zero mean and unit variance). X1 and X2 are moderately correlated (r=0.6) and the correlation of X1 and X2 to Y is -0.2

Re: chi square validity?

2001-12-18 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Benjamin Kenward wrote: Let's say you have a repeatable experiment and each time the result can be classed into a number of discrete categories (in this real case, seven). If a treatment has no effect, it is known what the expected by chance distribution of results

RE: When does correlation imply causation?

2001-12-07 Thread jim clark
Hi On 6 Dec 2001, David Heiser wrote: Most of the focus is on structural equation modeling (SEM). For statisticians, a quick referral to Jim Steiger's article Driving Fast in Reverse in JASA March 2001, p331-p338 (if you have it around) is a quick discourse on SEM and the inherent problems

Re: Who said Correlation does not imply causation.

2001-12-04 Thread jim clark
Hi On 3 Dec 2001, Karl L. Wuensch wrote: I think that phrase has created much misunderstanding. I try to convince my students that correlation is necessary but not sufficient for establishing a causal relationship. And I teach that NEITHER presence NOR absence of _simple_ correlation can be

Re: Interpreting p-value = .99

2001-11-30 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: But -- and in retrospect I should have seen it coming -- some students framed the hypotheses so that the alternative hypothesis was the drug is effective as claimed. They had Ho: p = .9; Ha: p .9; p-value = .9908. You might point out to

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Thom Baguley wrote: I'd argue that they probably aren't that independent. If I ask three questions all involving simple algebra and a student doesn't understand simple algebra they'll probably get all three wrong. In my experience most statistics exams are better

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On 25 Nov 2001, Herman Rubin wrote: If it is a good test, ability should predominate, and there is absolutely no reason for ability to even have close to a normal distribution. If one has two groups with different normal distributions, combining them will never get normality. I think

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On 28 Nov 2001, Dennis Roberts wrote: At 01:35 PM 11/28/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: The distribution of grades will depend on the distribution of difficulties of the items, one of the elements examined by psychometrists in the development of professional-quality assessments. unless

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-16 Thread jim clark
Hi On 16 Nov 2001, Rich Strauss wrote: I've just done some quick simulations in Matlab, constructing randomized null distributions of the t-statistic under both scenarious: (1) sample variances based on sample means vs. (2) variances about the pooled mean. Assuming I've done everything

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread jim clark
Hi On 15 Nov 2001, dennis roberts wrote: in the moore and mccabe book (IPS), in the section on testing for differences in population proportions, when it comes to doing a 'z' test for significance, they argue for (and say this is commonly done) that the standard error for the difference

Re: diff in proportions

2001-11-15 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Jerry Dallal wrote: But, if the null hypothesis is that the means are the same, why isn't(aren't) the sample variance(s) calculated about a pooled estimate of the common mean? What you are testing is whether there is more variability between groups than you would

Re: p value

2001-11-04 Thread jim clark
Hi On 2 Nov 2001, Donald Burrill wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, jim clark wrote: I would hate to ressurect a debate from sometime in the past year, but the chi-squared is a non-directional (commonly referred to as two-tailed) test, although it is true that you only consider one end (tail

Re: ANOVA by items

2001-10-18 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Wouter Duyck wrote: Suppose i have a factorial design with two between-subject factors (one factor A of 3 levels and one factor B of 2 levels) en two within-subject factors (one factor C of 2 levels and one factor D of 5 levels). Of course, to perform an ANOVA on this

Re: Counting Techniques

2001-10-04 Thread jim clark
Hi On 4 Oct 2001, Edwina Chappell wrote: Permutations versus Combinations. Easy ways to understand the concepts and distinguish when to use? I use to like to teach both as a specific variant of the partition rule, and then the distinction was whether specific problems involved so many sets

Re: Analysis of covariance

2001-09-27 Thread jim clark
Hi On 26 Sep 2001, Burke Johnson wrote: R Pretest Treatment Posttest R PretestControl Posttest In the social sciences (e.g., see Pedhazur's popular regression text), the most popular analysis seems to be to run a GLM (this version is often called an ANCOVA), where Y is the

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, @Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. Is this conceivable? for excel etc. Easily done with various statistical software (e.g., SPSS, SAS), if you have access

Re: effect size/significance

2001-09-13 Thread jim clark
Hi On 13 Sep 2001, Rolf Dalin wrote: Hi, this is about Jim Clark's reply to dennis roberts. I'm not sure how both informative gets translated into neither very informative. Seems like a perverse way of thinking to me. Moreover, your original question was then what benefit is there to

Re: effect size/significance

2001-09-13 Thread jim clark
Hi On 13 Sep 2001, Herman Rubin wrote: jim clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or consider a study with a small effect size that is significant. The fact that the effect is significant indicates that some non-chance effect is present and it might very well be important theoretically or even

Re: effect size/significance

2001-09-13 Thread jim clark
Hi I found the Rosenthal reference that addresses the following point: On 13 Sep 2001, Herman Rubin wrote: The effect size is NOT small, or it would not save more than a very small number of lives. If it were small, considering the dangers of aspirin, it would not be used for this purpose.

Re: effect size/significance

2001-09-12 Thread jim clark
Hi On 12 Sep 2001, dennis roberts wrote: At 07:23 PM 9/12/01 -0500, jim clark wrote: What your table shows is that _both_ dimensions are informative. That is, you cannot derive effect size from significance, nor significance from effect size. To illustrate why you need both, consider

Re: effect size/significance

2001-09-12 Thread jim clark
Hi On 12 Sep 2001, Dennis Roberts wrote: given a simple effect size calculation ... some mean difference compared to some pooled group or group standard deviation ... is it not possible to obtain the following combinations (assuming some significance test is done)

Re: ANOVA and regression

2001-05-30 Thread jim clark
Hi On 29 May 2001, Alex Yu wrote: Does anyone know any book/paper/website about teaching the relationship between ANOVA and regression? I have Data Analysis for Research Designs by Keppel. I also seached www.jstor.org but could not find anything. I am interested in seeing what approaches

Re: The False Placebo Effect

2001-05-25 Thread jim clark
Hi On 24 May 2001, David Heiser wrote: Be careful on your assumptions in your models and studies! --- Placebo Effect An Illusion, Study Says By Gina Kolata New York Times (Published in the Sacramento Bee, Thursday, May 24, 2001) ... He and

Re: A regressive question

2001-05-16 Thread jim clark
Hi On 15 May 2001, Alan McLean wrote: The usual test for a simple linear regression model is to test whether the slope coefficient is zero or not. However, if the slope is very close to zero, the intercept will be very close to the dependent variable mean, which suggests that a test could be

Re: errors in journal articles

2001-05-04 Thread jim clark
Hi On 3 May 2001, Warren Sarle wrote: Joel Best is a professor of sociology and criminal justice at the University of Delaware. This essay is excerpted from _Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers From the Media, Politicians, and Activists_, just published by the University of

Re: Artifacts in stats: (Was Student's t vs. z tests)

2001-04-25 Thread jim clark
Hi On 25 Apr 2001, Alan McLean wrote: I agree - although students do need tables in (written) exams... But we use a computer program called Tuteman in our teaching and testing, so the natural way to find critical values or p-values is via the computer - we use Excel mainly. In general, I

Re: FW: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-24 Thread jim clark
Hi On 24 Apr 2001, Mark W. Humphries wrote: I concur. As I mentioned at the start of this thread, I am self-learning statistics from books. I have difficulty telling what is being taught as necessary theoretical 'scaffolding' or 'superceded procedures', and what one would actually apply in a

Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-21 Thread jim clark
Hi On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, dennis roberts wrote: At 10:58 AM 4/20/01 -0500, jim clark wrote: What does a t-distribution mean to a student who does not know what a binomial distribution is and how to calculate the probabilities, and who does not know what a normal distribution is and how

Re: partial correlations

2001-04-07 Thread jim clark
Hi On 7 Apr 2001, Dianne Worth wrote: After several years of frustration with SAS, I am migrating to SPSS. I am currently working on a project in both packages, to ensure accuracy of results as I teach myself SPSS. I would like to obtain 1) the squared semi-partial correlation based on

Avoiding Linear Dependencies in Artificial Data Sets

2001-03-12 Thread jim clark
Hi I like to use small, artificially generated data sets with integer parameters to introduce analyses. Often, however, I find it difficult to avoid undesirable contingencies among the scores (e.g., linear dependencies in within-subject designs). Is there an algorithmic way to generate such

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism statistical

2001-03-12 Thread jim clark
Hi On 12 Mar 2001, Radford Neal wrote: Yes indeed. And the context in this case is the question of whether or not the difference in performance provides an alternative explanation for why the men were paid more (one supposes, no actual salary data has been released). In this context, all

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism statistical

2001-03-12 Thread jim clark
Hi On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Irving Scheffe wrote: Jim: For example, suppose you had a department in which the citation data were Males Females 12220 1298 2297 1102 When I said outlier, I had in mind hypothetical data of the following sort (it doesn't matter to me whether

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-06 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Thom Baguley wrote: Donald Burrill wrote: Well, it _might_ be. Depends on what hypothesis was being tested, doesn't it? And so far "rjkim" hasn't deigned to tell us that. Yes, though I think the vocabulary can obscure what goes on. To me a "one-tailed" test

Re: AW: eigenvalue: origin of term

2001-01-21 Thread jim clark
Hi On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Bob Wheeler wrote: I can't find a paper by anyone named Cohen with a title resembling what you give in CIS. Perhaps you can improve the citation. Cohen, J. (1968). Multiple regression as a general data-analytic system. Psychological Bulletin, 70, 426-443. Best

Re: OT: psychological test for recruitment in Statistics

2000-12-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, T.S. Lim wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], jim clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, John Uebersax wrote: IMHO, psychological tests in this case should not substitute for a thorough interview and human judgment. scores

Re: psychologist analyze thyself (was: psych test for Statistics)

2000-12-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On 27 Dec 2000, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: scores, but not in aggregating them). In general, human judgment does not fare all that well relative to actuarial (i.e., statistical) methods. Interesting that someone posting to a statistical newsgroup would advocate the non-statistical approach

Re: OT: psychological test for recruitment in Statistics

2000-12-26 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, John Uebersax wrote: IMHO, psychological tests in this case should not substitute for a thorough interview and human judgment. Just my .02 worth. There is a considerable literature on clinical judgment (i.e., interview and human judgement) vs. actuarial predictions

Re: Studying Retention of Knowledge and Skills

2000-03-01 Thread Jim Clark
Hi On 29 Feb 2000, Magill, Brett wrote: I am planning to design a study of an educational program. Of interest is the decay over time of knowledge and skills learned through the program. Specifically, we want to know if there is a point in time when the rate of decay changes (a steady drop

Re: adjusting marks; W. Edwards Deming

1999-12-23 Thread Jim Clark
Hi On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Peter Westfall wrote: Jim Clark wrote: Artificially giving all students (or almost all) the same grade does not minimize variation in the underlying trait, achievement, in this case. It simply hides the variation so that one does not know to what extent one

Re: Scale Reliability

1999-12-09 Thread Jim Clark
HI On 7 Dec 1999, Magill, Brett wrote: I am a graduate student in sociology studying individual's perceptions of control (locus of control) using existing data. The data set include four items to measure this construct which were taken from a larger scale of more than twenty, the larger