Re: [Edu-sig] Poster session is a go for PyCon 2010

2009-08-19 Thread kirby urner
Congratulations Vern. Perhaps you could send verbiage describing this plan to edu-sig page webmaster for inclusion, along with Litvins etc. I have a request in to receive back control of this page in 30 days if nothing happens, we'll see how that goes. Kirby On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM,

[Edu-sig] more on digital math...

2009-08-08 Thread kirby urner
Here's a blog post about the meeting below. Our venue was Sherwood High School, some 15 miles or so south of the Portland city limits. http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2009/08/education-planning.html I don't mention Python much in the post, but that's a language many assumed we'd be using,

Re: [Edu-sig] more on digital math...

2009-08-08 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Scott David Danielsscott.dani...@acm.org wrote: kirby urner wrote: ... Another piece of feedback came from this PSU professor who really likes the language but found IDLE to be almost a show stopper on her Mac, as it'd crash and then not reboot because of some

Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-08-03 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to make another plug for including this title on the edu-sig home page: http://www.skylit.com/mathandpython.html Ian thought it was too

Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-08-03 Thread kirby urner
Thanks for you feedback Edward. I have an all day meeting Aug 7 focusing on computer science teaching issues, hosted by the same lobbying group that showed me this book in the first place, have the complete text in PDF. Here's the agenda for that meeting FYI: Goal: Identify steps to

Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-08-02 Thread kirby urner
Another hot button issue in Portland these days is whether families have the right to demand a PDF version of any assigned textbook, versus a hardcopy edition.  We have lots of tree huggers around here, worried about green and unsustainability.  To quote one of my colleagues (from her blog):

Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-08-02 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: Another hot button issue in Portland these days is whether families have the right to demand a PDF version of any assigned textbook, versus a hardcopy edition.  We have lots of tree huggers around here, worried about

Re: [Edu-sig] Pycon organizers is now talking about poster sessions

2009-07-31 Thread kirby urner
The initial article was mine.  I said that I would like PyCON better if there was some way to get a track of 'what have you been doing lately'.  The sort of talks that would not get accepted to PyCON because they are not polished enough, or not of interest to a large enough segment of the

Re: [Edu-sig] Pycon organizers is now talking about poster sessions

2009-07-31 Thread kirby urner
I should add to this that my friend David Feinstein has pioneered a trully elegant set of software tools, in cahoots with a talented Javascript programmer, that help judges with caucusing, the process they enter into in order to determine the top three projects, if a best in show approach is in

[Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-07-31 Thread kirby urner
I'd like to make another plug for including this title on the edu-sig home page: http://www.skylit.com/mathandpython.html Ian thought it was too much a hybrid of CS and math, not an elegant amalgamation, though I don't have has remarks in front of me at the moment. Steve was gonna get back to

Re: [Edu-sig] Feedback sought on blog post: Where do all the geek girls go?

2009-07-27 Thread kirby urner
So my first reply to this ended up on the EduPython Google Group, obscure, but with its own advantages (better profile tracking, something Python.org doesn't support as we don't have user login). This one made it to edu-sig archive no problemo, however I was nonplussed by some of the typos so

Re: [Edu-sig] Learning to Program... in French!

2009-07-27 Thread kirby urner
Awesome. I'm working with a Jordanian group, haven't gotten that far yet, just looking at Javascript talk balloons that come up in different languages depending on setting (UrbanEdibles mashup, moving to Django). http://urbanedibles.org/ Python is a great first language for non-English

Re: [Edu-sig] nice post about teaching functional programming to kids

2009-07-23 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Daniel Ajoyda.a...@gmail.com wrote: http://jackcoughonsoftware.blogspot.com/2009/05/teaching-functional-programming-to-kids.html What happens if we put one machine into the slot of another machine? That's silly, Daddy! Daniel Hmph, this fun post jumped

[Edu-sig] Fwd: Proposal: poster session

2009-07-21 Thread kirby urner
background have little trouble understanding, but in some circles its still a new idea that everyone would be interested in programming for some reason. Kirby -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM Subject: Proposal

Re: [Edu-sig] Bernoulli Numbers (a generator)

2009-07-15 Thread kirby urner
is correct.) Regards, Gregor kirby urner schrieb: Just adding to what's on file, not sure this is a must have but it's fun to do, especially given the association of Bernoulli Numbers with the first computer program as scoped out in Ada's notes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157...@n00

[Edu-sig] Bernoulli Numbers (a generator)

2009-07-13 Thread kirby urner
Just adding to what's on file, not sure this is a must have but it's fun to do, especially given the association of Bernoulli Numbers with the first computer program as scoped out in Ada's notes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157...@n00/3718903352/sizes/o/ (shell view, Akbar font)

[Edu-sig] Fwd: python publication

2009-07-12 Thread kirby urner
attitude towards diversity seems more prevalent in less sophisticated corporate cultures, anti-cosmopolitan, illiberal. Just my take. Maybe he's just a loose cannon. http://www.slate.com/id/564?nav=wp -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: 2009/7/12

[Edu-sig] a brief update from my corner

2009-07-07 Thread kirby urner
I was happy to hear from Vern about his and Jeff's experiences at NECC conference, as I briefly notate in my blog: http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2009/07/planning-charter.html (PSF was officially invested here) More recently, I briefly re-visited the PSF's decision to dump Gattegno for the

Re: [Edu-sig] Hello World! Computer Programming for Kids and Other Beginners

2009-06-28 Thread kirby urner
Yo guy! -- New Jerseyism (a home sweet home) Looking forward to posters about your work at Pycon, fed through our VC, showing kids blissing out on Turtle Art, indeed a perennial genre, see no chance of its fading, just abetting with 3D turtles in a turtle tank (yes already been done, I know

Re: [Edu-sig] Python book authors on TV

2009-06-26 Thread kirby urner
Ya know, that's really excellent. I was just pumping my fist in the air for Canada (yay Canada) and then this hits my inbox. Wearing my TV producer hat, the biggest kick is when little kids aren't afraid to be eloquent and pithy on TV, and here ya have it, gets other kids to sit up and listen

Re: [Edu-sig] spirals and prime numbers, python

2009-06-25 Thread kirby urner
Fantastic. Hey Trevor, check this out. Ulam spiral and Python, handsome! Kirby On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Daniel Ajoyda.a...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~jhw/spirals/index.html Daniel ___ Edu-sig mailing list

[Edu-sig] classroom layout (DM and/or CS)

2009-06-22 Thread kirby urner
I've got this thread going with holdenweb re the ideal classroom configuration. Like, we're all familiar with conference venues, where we just balance a laptop or share power strips around tables, but for one's workaday environment, where one has more control over layout, what would be your ideal

[Edu-sig] decompressing from OS Bridge

2009-06-21 Thread kirby urner
Greetings edu-siggers -- I'm still decompressing from an intensive 3-day OS Bridge conference here in Portland, Oregon. Having a purely Portland management and local focus made this a rather different experience, a small gem actually, well run and cram packed with interesting talent and talks,

Re: [Edu-sig] decompressing from OS Bridge

2009-06-21 Thread kirby urner
SNIP Turnout was low (lots of empty chairs) but it's quality not quantity. I had a professor from Linnfield College who'd been to my OSCON talk years ago.  He came right up to me and said that as a result of that talk he'd gone straight back and started wheels turning, getting Python

[Edu-sig] more re manga code...

2009-06-12 Thread kirby urner
** Don't say mah-no though, if you mean the Novell product Mono. That's definitely moe no for Monkey. If you don't get that it's monkey, you lose half the branding, not to mention you'll sound like a bloody Anglophone who's had a few too many. -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner

Re: [Edu-sig] Teacher looking for software for displaying 3D vectors and planes

2009-06-11 Thread kirby urner
coyote_academy -1 points0 points1 point 207 milliseconds ago[-] The curriculum I've been using in Portland, Oregon is vector intensive, with scaffolding like stickworks.py, documented and explained on ShowMeDo. For output, we use x3D (VRML) and POV-Ray, a free ray tracer, no Internet required,

Re: [Edu-sig] Teacher looking for software for displaying 3D vectors and planes

2009-06-11 Thread kirby urner
Yeah, I shoulda mentioned my stickworks.py is a wrapper for VPython, but that's obvious on the Showmedo tape. Good seeing your stuff progressing Stef, I know I've linked to it. Many 100s of pages on VPython in my blogs, for those seeking ideas for using it. IDLE 1.2.1 for thing in

[Edu-sig] Example Poster

2009-06-08 Thread kirby urner
This weekend I was privileged to join a former student's graduation festivities. His family sought me out through Saturday Academy, the word of mouth school we use to recruit for various walks of life, by inspiring a love of the field. We do have a Google Video ad, but that maybe counts as part

Re: [Edu-sig] mentions of Py on Math Forum....

2009-06-06 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Laura Creightonl...@openend.se wrote: What kind of money are you looking for to replace your laptop? Laura That's a kind question Laura, OK asking the list. ;) It's a relief to have so much in the way of pictures and source code etc. already uploaded, so its

[Edu-sig] mentions of Py on Math Forum....

2009-06-05 Thread kirby urner
Brief mention of Python on Math Forum this morning, in same sentence as Mathematica, though I don't see them as filling the same market niche (partially overlapping though, yes): http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=1949352tstart=0 This guy Gary at work one time wanted my analysis of

Re: [Edu-sig] mentions of Py on Math Forum....

2009-06-05 Thread kirby urner
Danielsscott.dani...@acm.org wrote: kirby urner wrote: I haven't tried 3.1 yet, have been using dictionary versus list to harp on the cardinality vs. ordinality distinction (per Midhat Gazale), understand there's a new kind of dictionary that has ordinal properties You really should.  The io module

Re: [Edu-sig] Python

2009-06-01 Thread kirby urner
Python seems a very non-controversial pick, plus there's student leadership on this issue, i.e. if you allow a choice, see what happens. As Jeff points out, they don't seem to suffer, in aggregate, for choosing the better language. :) Actually, learning Python provides great motivation for then

Re: [Edu-sig] poking around in Py3k (recycling old algebra)

2009-05-28 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:45 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hey, I was just learning from David Beazley on Safari that __repr__ is generally supposed to emit a string that'll eval right back to the object represented.  So if I have Modulo type and go k = Modulo(10) then

Re: [Edu-sig] poking around in Py3k (recycling old algebra)

2009-05-28 Thread kirby urner
Hey, didn't know that! And that *is* a Funny class you made there, quite twisted thx! Kirby On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Scott David Danielsscott.dani...@acm.org wrote: kirby urner wrote: ... Hey, did you know Ellipsis is a new primitive object in Python 3, denoted

Re: [Edu-sig] poking around in Py3k (recycling old algebra)

2009-05-28 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:22 AM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I was reading about descriptors, again per Holden workshop, and noticing the author adding at class level, but never making use of the passed instance argument, only self (inside the descriptor). Below is the

Re: [Edu-sig] poking around in Py3k (recycling old algebra)

2009-05-28 Thread kirby urner
: Scott David Daniels wrote: kirby urner wrote: ... Hey, did you know Ellipsis is a new primitive object ... Actually, it has been around for quite a while [broken example] [fixed example] ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http

Re: [Edu-sig] Overloading (was Re: more on variable names)

2009-05-27 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Laura Creightonl...@openend.se wrote: I no longer think that the problem is that the '=' symbol is overloaded. I now believe that the problem is that when we, as teachers teach Python, we read a = b as 'a equals b' Yeah, the word overloaded is itself

Re: [Edu-sig] Overloading (was Re: more on variable names)

2009-05-27 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP OK, time for my first meeting of the day...  I have this neolithic math component in our place based curriculum.  We keep going back to this cave man setting, but lo and behold their inner circle know quite a bit

Re: [Edu-sig] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-26 Thread kirby urner
Scott: The media course used Python as the language.  The new media course achieved an 85% success rate for the three groups above, and had women succeeding at the same or better rates than the male students. Interesting stuff Scott. My eldest did a combined theater-CS major in Tennessee

Re: [Edu-sig] Overloading (was Re: more on variable names)

2009-05-26 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I filed the following quick comment after viewing a six minute tutorial on variables and values at ShowMeDo. The video: http://showmedo.com

[Edu-sig] Simple Stats (curriculum fragment...)

2009-05-26 Thread kirby urner
Simple randomizer and tally machine. Drop a ball 'howmany' times so it falls left or right for 'howmany' rows of pegs -- like Pachinko http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/graphics/randtrianim.gif (c) GPL, 4D OCN 2009 Python 3.0.1 (r301:69556, Mar 14 2009, 14:06:26) [GCC 4.2.4 (Ubuntu

Re: [Edu-sig] Pythonic Math must include...

2009-05-25 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Ajoy da.a...@gmail.com wrote: I've some other candidates that I have included in my Logo Functional Extensions (LogoFE). * A function that receives a math function and plots it. * A function that receives a math equation and an interval and finds a

Re: [Edu-sig] more on variable names

2009-05-24 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:43 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I filed the following quick comment after viewing a six minute tutorial on variables and values at ShowMeDo. The video: http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=6950010fromSeriesID=695 My comment: idea

[Edu-sig] eduPycon on conferences list (proposal)

2009-05-23 Thread kirby urner
Some of you will maybe have seen David Goodger's announcement of a new Python community list focused on Python conferences: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/conferences I was hanging out at the virtual water cooler with PSF's Jeff Rush, mentioning his eduPycon idea, thinking we might have

[Edu-sig] more on variable names

2009-05-23 Thread kirby urner
I filed the following quick comment after viewing a six minute tutorial on variables and values at ShowMeDo. The video: http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=6950010fromSeriesID=695 My comment: idea that values are stored into a variable is less the metaphor in Python, which is more

Re: [Edu-sig] [IAEP] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-21 Thread kirby urner
Thanks Ed. I twittered scoping this ACM page in advance of your comment, which then appeared for analysis. Nice one. I think you're right on the too early to tell plus it's really interesting how, when I flash my XOs around town, you'll get these angry faces when I mentioned you can't just go

Re: [Edu-sig] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-20 Thread kirby urner
Hey thanks for the pointer Gerry, I'll be interested in others' opinions of that analysis. Mine is somewhat different in that I think real tangible evidence of a positive future is a threat to moneyed interests pushing a different agenda, otherwise we'd have seen XOs on Tony the Tiger cereal

Re: [Edu-sig] PDF geometry animations (ReportLab?) - and turtle module

2009-05-18 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: ... RE Bucky Fuller: Is anybody working on getting this material online and inviting the world to crawl it and create new stories? I know some people in Science Commons who would like to talk to you about such a thing.

Re: [Edu-sig] PDF geometry animations (ReportLab?) - and turtle module

2009-05-17 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb Brilliant work Gregor, ran yours just now (I have 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 all installed on Ubuntu Dell Jackalope laptop, WinXP KTU3

[Edu-sig] more pythonic algebra

2009-05-15 Thread kirby urner
In a mathy approach to Python, it makes sense to go: a) welcome to the shell, (print(Hello World!) etc. b) this is a tool bench (for adults, cycle shop talk (more below)) c) import math The reasoning is this: we're in a POSIX or unixy context and want to get across the many tools each doing one

Re: [Edu-sig] Jsoftware, PDF geometry animations (ReportLab?)

2009-05-15 Thread kirby urner
as well, knowing Ron has a lot more where that came from (I'm suppose to download a half-gig PDF next time in Pauling House for a bored er board meeting). Kirby -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Arg names

[Edu-sig] random fragments (pre May PPUG meeting)

2009-05-12 Thread kirby urner
So does the new turtle canvas save to a PNG, using PIL maybe, or do we still need to hack that? I think wxPython's canvas has PIL output, but it's been awhile. Robin Dunn's work was a topic with Synovate for a thread, me bungling the answer about EMF files, Patrick getting it right (he's the

Re: [Edu-sig] Update on my PSF doings

2009-05-10 Thread kirby urner
The second conversation is at IAEP (http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-May/005466.html and http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-May/005484.html), about the value of similarities over differences as a rare, remarkable cultural accompishment:

[Edu-sig] Update on my PSF doings

2009-05-05 Thread kirby urner
I've been enjoying learning something of the internal organs involved in British education, thanks to working with Dr. Ian Benson on various proposals before the PSF regarding some math through programming initiatives (actually, just the one proposal at the moment, dubbed NiceTime [tm], a kind of

Re: [Edu-sig] Update on my PSF doings

2009-05-05 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:46 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I've been enjoying learning something of the internal organs involved in British education, thanks to working with Dr. Ian Benson on various proposals before the PSF regarding some math through programming initiatives

Re: [Edu-sig] another edu-sig page textbook (suggesting to AR)

2009-04-30 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Rush j...@taupro.com wrote: SNIP I was thinking of regional events, 3-4 a year, to make them more convenient to teachers and students who often lack a budget to travel.  With a focus on the use of Python programming in education, both K-12 and

Re: [Edu-sig] another edu-sig page textbook (suggesting to AR)

2009-04-29 Thread kirby urner
in that language (among others), although they're welcome to do that of course (we welcome converts or whatever). Kirby On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:15 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: Both, per the back cover: Some students may choose to study AP Computer Science in high school

Re: [Edu-sig] another edu-sig page textbook (suggesting to AR)

2009-04-29 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: Both, per the back cover: Some students may choose to study AP Computer Science in high school, or major in CS in college.  Others may decide to go into math, science, law, art, social sciences, or humanities

[Edu-sig] another edu-sig page textbook (suggesting to AR)

2009-04-27 Thread kirby urner
http://www.skylit.com/mathandpython.html I have desk review copy, think many will appreciate the quasi-seamless blend of old and gnu world typographies, i.e. sigma and set notation, with concepts of iterator, types, functions etc. Reminiscent of 'Concrete Mathematics' though less difficult and

Re: [Edu-sig] another edu-sig page textbook (suggesting to AR)

2009-04-27 Thread kirby urner
and private industry tracks, e.g. we could use this in place of Algebra 2. Kirby On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Andre Roberge andre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.skylit.com/mathandpython.html I have desk review

[Edu-sig] old macdonald had a farm (coroutines for noobs like me)

2009-04-26 Thread kirby urner
On the Farm: (Python 3 -- 3to2 easy) for David Beazley, the gratitude, who wanted something more useful than Fibonacci numbers See: http://oubiwann.blogspot.com/2009/04/generators-and-coroutines.html (my comments appended) def coroutine(target): used to decorate generators we plan to

Re: [Edu-sig] Admiring 'Hello World!' (Manning)

2009-04-23 Thread kirby urner
Errata Addenda (standard template): On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I'm enjoying the state of the art with this one, am tempted to get the PDF (there's a mail in coupon).  This father son team, Warren and Carter Sande, explore Python 2.5 in dialog

Re: [Edu-sig] What version of Python to teach ....

2009-04-21 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP See also the Groklaw archives on the SCO suit and other attempts to hold back Linux. Good to see so much lore going by. Teaching to code in the open (open source code) involves storytelling. What are our

Re: [Edu-sig] What Linux distro?

2009-04-21 Thread kirby urner
Yeah and no problem distributing closed Windows binary, self installs, in fair trade for Uncle Sams (or other currency), in order to earn enough dough to give back to the wxPython community via Debian headwaters or whatever. Many of us have day jobs that in some way leverage the fact that Windows

Re: [Edu-sig] What Linux distro?

2009-04-21 Thread kirby urner
PySol is another famous closed source example that's been out there for years.  I forget if bittorrent is open source, even if free, lemme check... Speaking of closed source (that'd run on an XO?) provided there's Java runtime: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=1921344tstart=0 (

Re: [Edu-sig] What version of Python to teach ....

2009-04-20 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org wrote: SNIP But here is a learning opportunity as well -- too many students are used to received wisdom, and assume there is nothing to discover. To say that Python is in motion, that we have learned from our

Re: [Edu-sig] How do kids these days get started in programming?

2009-04-20 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP That's why I am looking for kid-friendly AND large communities of practice first and foremost for any educational endeavors... -- Cheers, MariaD There's the old chicken versus egg problem when it comes to

Re: [Edu-sig] How do kids these days get started in programming?

2009-04-20 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP That's why I am looking for kid-friendly AND large

Re: [Edu-sig] How do kids these days get started in programming?

2009-04-20 Thread kirby urner
That's already handled in Celestia, an open source project and mentioned in my write-up of the Winterhaven Experiment.  We also use Solaria, links on request. Kirby Sorry, Stellarium. This page on Winterhaven Experiment (2007) mentions both. Click 'Functions and Generators' at the end for

Re: [Edu-sig] How do kids these days get started in programming?

2009-04-20 Thread kirby urner
This page on Winterhaven Experiment (2007) mentions both. 2005. ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] What version of Python to teach ....

2009-04-19 Thread kirby urner
Those of use teaching Python in a ~CS vein (= not CS i.e. not teaching computer scientists), have the advantage of not needing reams of source code, only minor scaffolding of a rather trivial nature, wrapping whatever libraries. We're not application developers (yet). That fork comes later. So

Re: [Edu-sig] What version of Python to teach ....

2009-04-19 Thread kirby urner
Laura is reminding that Recognition is easier than Recall. Recognition: the native speaker is doing the work, the learner is listening, following, passively concentrating Recall: the learner is speaking with few cues, blank canvas, has to pull up everything herself, much harder. That's from

Re: [Edu-sig] PSF Grant

2009-04-17 Thread kirby urner
My sincere thanks to Steve and the PSF for their support and especially to those (like Kirby) who spoke up on my behalf. That's because I knew you could handle the stress, whereas most guys 'n dolls (Chicago namespace) would crack in your position (smile). Should be a fun ride. If I discover

Re: [Edu-sig] New edu-sig page: first draft completed

2009-04-15 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Andre, Nice work.  I have two suggestions, and a few minor edits. On the choice between Python 2 and 3, I would say teach both, but limit the Python 2 syntax to your specific needs.  Most students will see

[Edu-sig] Praise for Gregor's talk (piggy-backing links to mine -- Kirby)

2009-04-15 Thread kirby urner
Gregor, great job with this: Seven ways to use Python's new turtle module: http://pycon.blip.tv/file/1947495/ I'm so glad Pycon had its video act so much more together this year. This is an example of a talk I didn't want to miss, and thanks to this year's organizers, I'm able to appreciate

Re: [Edu-sig] Considering Python for an algebra course

2009-04-14 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: At 11:14 AM 4/14/2009 -0700, kirby urner wrote: Depends on your own background in programming, and whether you need to do anything unusual like accelerate a program with a function in C.  My guess is the average

Re: [Edu-sig] Thoughts and observations...

2009-04-14 Thread kirby urner
Please feel free to make more suggestions for improvements.  And if you disagree with some of my more subjective statements on the edu-sig page, please do not hesitate to tell me.  And I won't be offended at all if you point out some grammatical mistakes and the like - my kids do it all the

Re: [Edu-sig] What Linux distro?

2009-04-11 Thread kirby urner
That's very impressive wxPython app. And your 5 minute video is top notch. I hope you've shown this to wxPython community directly (we're one degree of separation on edu-sig). This is a tremendous asset for them. And for we Ubuntu users should your migration project prove successful. If

Re: [Edu-sig] What Linux distro?

2009-04-11 Thread kirby urner
If distributed as a Python egg or one of those disutil things (setup.py), then which exact Linux distro should have to matter that much. ... should *not* have to matter so much, sorry. Python apps distribute independently of distro mechanisms like RPM, though if you get it up stream in

Re: [Edu-sig] Python in education - looking forward

2009-04-09 Thread kirby urner
This is from before Pycon: --- In wwwander...@yahoogroups.com, kirby urner kirby.ur...@... wrote: Heads Up: PPS is unveiling the new technology configuration, planned for many classrooms, especially pre high school. Elements: laptop for teacher, data projector, smart board, clickers, document

Re: [Edu-sig] Progamming advice.

2009-04-08 Thread kirby urner
Somewhat apropos: http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2009/03/patterns-in-python.html I see Fowler getting mentioned a lot in this thread. Below, a couple more titles: Jacob: Tests are the programmer's stone, transmuting fear into boredom (Kent Beck, author of Test Driven Development). Build in

Re: [Edu-sig] Math in a Browser

2009-04-08 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:20 AM, michel paul mpaul...@gmail.com wrote: SAGE is awesome.  I highly recommend it.  Recently I've been looking at it more intently with the idea of using in math classes. We've been hoping to get the Sage folks from Seattle to present at PPUG Portland. One reason I

Re: [Edu-sig] Fwd: Do we teach computers when we write code?

2009-04-07 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Lloyd Hugh Allen chandraki...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't posted in a while -- forgot to reply-to-edu-sig :) I replied but to an earlier part of this thread -- I trust our human readers to make the connections. :) Kirby

Re: [Edu-sig] Mail features (was Re: Fwd: Do we teach computers when we write code?)

2009-04-07 Thread kirby urner
Gmail. No, source is not available. They do accept feature requests at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=suggestions.cs Once in a while I see that some feature I wanted made it in. Laura Of course the mail software can't help you remember when to change the subject line.

Re: [Edu-sig] Mail features (was Re: Fwd: Do we teach computers when we write code?)

2009-04-07 Thread kirby urner
Seems like you'd have to be able to pick out a list from all the others, which means persisting a list of lists, which may be more trouble than it's worth? You mean if the message is crossposted to multiple lists? Well then, I just use Reply to All. Oh I get it. I didn't remember that

Re: [Edu-sig] Progamming advice

2009-04-07 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: At 09:35 AM 4/7/2009 -0400, Gary Pajer wrote: SNIP Send me some examples of early versions of your programs, and I'll help make them into a sequence that will serve as good examples for students.  See the

[Edu-sig] pointers to Math Forum, Chipy list

2009-04-07 Thread kirby urner
FYI, I was prolific today, some might say prolix. Partly I'm just wanting to keep my wheelings and dealings in the open, in the spirit of open source. So... some lesson plans on math-teach @ Math Forum (Drexel University), precious little Python really, more about tone, context and perceptions

Re: [Edu-sig] Progamming advice. (Was: Why MIT switched from Scheme to Python)

2009-04-06 Thread kirby urner
may well be). Of course some people are computer scientists and their Python is about CS. So much other code isn't like that. Kirby On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Gary Pajer gary.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: [...] What

Re: [Edu-sig] Progamming advice. (Was: Why MIT switched from Scheme to Python)

2009-04-06 Thread kirby urner
, suspicious of traits, scared of Zope. Lots of small modules, using __init__.py for package management (ever do that?). On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Gary Pajer gary.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: Hey excellent questions Gary, expect

Re: [Edu-sig] Generating prime numbers

2009-04-05 Thread kirby urner
Excellente! kind sir. I don't know about Python, but there are lazy evaluation languages with streams that can handle something like isprime=: {n.0 in [2:floor(sqrt(n))] | n} isprime each [2:_]/[2:_] I'm wanting to say Haskell but that's just talking through my hat. Once you get it down to

Re: [Edu-sig] Generating prime numbers

2009-04-05 Thread kirby urner
this: the language would fall under the control of the Great Lambda Kings (a small tribe to our north, spends all its time extending emacs). Ya gotta love 'em! Kirby On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:27 AM, John Posner jjpos...@snet.net wrote: kirby urner wrote: Excellente! kind sir. Here's a Python solution

[Edu-sig] re skool politics and fixing the broken math track

2009-04-03 Thread kirby urner
One positive aspect of Pycon is I get to meet a lot of world savvy people with skills outside of my skill set. We also get to exchange ideas about economic matters. One electrifying email from ISEPP, my home office for the conference, told me of plans to close our flagship charter where Edubuntu

Re: [Edu-sig] thoughts on edu-sig HTML page

2009-03-31 Thread kirby urner
I'm all for wikis, more mutable, less a bottleneck. They sometimes become sprawling (and that's not a bad thing necessarily). A wonderful tool, thank you Ward Cunningham. And because edu-sig the page (about 8.5 x 11 or so, if printed?) is so concise and to the point, we've got the main Wiki we

[Edu-sig] thoughts on edu-sig HTML page

2009-03-30 Thread kirby urner
Here's some of my thinking re the edu-sig page, which I managed up to the time python.org converted from cvs to svn. For those not at Pycon, a core theme was a plan to shift the tectonic plate (platform) yet again, to either bzr or hg. Perhaps the decision has been made by now, as Guido was

Re: [Edu-sig] OLPC/Sugar Saturday dinner...

2009-03-28 Thread kirby urner
I'm interested in this. Good luck with that reservation. FYI I blogged some of our BOF from last night, admittedly with various personal biases (it's a blog post, not the New York Times, which is completely unbiased as we all know (snicker)): If others have blogged accounts or pages they'd like

Re: [Edu-sig] [OLPC-Chicago] OLPC/Sugar dinner this weekend - with Pycon guests!

2009-03-28 Thread kirby urner
Hey Jeff, is this with reference to dinner this Saturday evening? This was me replying in the affirmative earlier: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2009-March/009198.html I'm heading downtown to catch the Buckminster Fuller exhibit at Museum of Contemporary Art, maybe with Steve Holden,

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig at Pycon

2009-03-27 Thread kirby urner
Ian Benson and I confirm planning to attend. Kirby 2009/3/26 Andrew Harrington ahar...@luc.edu: Pycon attenders, Remember our dinner at 6:45PM Friday night!  If you have not already let me know you are coming, email me and/or make an entry on the BoF page

[Edu-sig] The Crunchy Way

2009-03-27 Thread kirby urner
I'm in 'Learning and Teaching Python Programming: The Crunchy Way' by Dr. Andre Roberge. This would be the Python for Educators track, only informally defined (as a namespace?) at Pycon. There's a BOF later. He's claiming to be an imposter (we don't believe him) because he isn't teaching

Re: [Edu-sig] The Crunchy Way

2009-03-27 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: SNIP So Croquant is like a delivery tool, where the lesson plans accumulate.  PyWhip is similar but more static (making the content Wiki based is likely to promote organic growth). Not quite sure what you mean

Re: [Edu-sig] The Crunchy Way

2009-03-27 Thread kirby urner
As Andre remarked in his talk, PyWhip is still quite new, just appeared in the last couple months. I'm glad we're getting more of a vision statement here from David, as that'll help any one of us promote the site accurately. My goal is to sustain a high degree of realism. Crunchy, to me, seems

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