Bill,
FWIW: my background is EE with a minor in Industrial Psych (specifically Human
Factors / Ergonomics / Usability Engineering). One book which resonated with me
as an engineer is Psychology of Everyday Things. In it, the author discusses
mental models, and those of the developer vs. those
I believe this is normal.
John N1JM
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For Bill, W5WVO ... (not the general public!).
Bill, as a pro technical writer, perhaps you've heard of the
dangling preposition?
I enjoyed your comments re manuals and books - right on, brother!
However - If I may quote the end ... in the same choir you're
preaching to ...
Should this not
This normal if SPKRS is set to 1. Set it to 2 and you should have both when
SPKR+PH is yes.
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Yes, Mike, actually you are right, and this is a fact up with which we'll
have to put!
73
Richard - HB9ANM
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Been having a fresh look at the AFX in view of the recent postings about
pulling out callsigns from pile-ups. It's been set to BIN for a long time
now and I remember this being quite effective at giving some spatial
separation to signals differing slightly in frequency when using stereo
N1JM wrote:
This normal if SPKRS is set to 1. Set it to 2 and you should have both
when SPKR+PH is yes.
The manual says set SPKRS on 2 if using 2 external speakers. I'm using the
internal speaker.
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Mike, wasn't it Winston Churchill who described dangling prepositions as
something up with which I will not put?
To be serious for a moment, there are some verbs in which the addition
of the preposition results in quite a different meaning - put up versus
put up with is a good example. I
In case anyone else may have been encountering BAT LOW messages while
operating QRO, check your Power Pole connection to the 12V power supply. I
had been assuming that my problem was RFI and was busy cramming ferrites
onto all of the cables coming into the K3. When this failed, I unplugged
them
On 12/7/2010 8:24 AM, Sam, KJ4VPI, wrote: (paraphrasing: I love books!)
The list (nest?) of features hiding inside the K3 firmware is nearly
astonishing, and quite wonderful, but I find the Users' Manual to be
almost useless when one needs to find a specific item.
The finder inside *.pdf
I use a Palstar auto tuner with My K-3. It works very well. Although I did
order it with the Kenwood cable, shortly after I received it Palstar sent me
a message saying that they had a batch of Kenwood cables which were
miss-wired and that I should send it back for a replacement. However, I
On 12/7/2010 6:24 AM, samuel ernst-fortin wrote:
Bill,
FWIW: my background is EE with a minor in Industrial Psych (specifically Human
Factors / Ergonomics / Usability Engineering). One book which resonated with
me
as an engineer is Psychology of Everyday Things. In it, the author discusses
This is in some way related to SPKRS=1 ... I can duplicate it
if I set SPKRS=1 (internal speaker) but it does not happen if
I set SPKRS=2 (external speakers).
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 12/6/2010 12:58 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
Nope! But at least I can confirm your findings Barry. I use the
Don,
I wager you are underestimating. I would bet the number of additional sales
would be 1,000+, HEAVY on the plus. Also I fear that MANY people monitor
the noise on this list and go on to other radios after monitoring for only a
short time.
73,
Another Don, WB5HAK
Just finsihed my install of beta 4.22, so I could try out the APF.
I think I'm going to like it.
My problem is that when I went to tune my antenna, I get the message
No ATU.
I've gone all through the Config menus and can't find anything there
that would turn the ATU back on. I
For all of those that asked for it on here I have sent a series of 5 documents
regarding some of the K3 NB/NR etc. Tools. I hope that was helpful to you. If
there are others that would like a copy please send me mail off the reflector.
Thank you, 73,
Michael
N6MQL
(assigned)
Date: Mon,
What happened to the K3 wiki? Wouldn't that be a good place for users to
develop a handbook?
Buck
k4ia
K3 #101
In a message dated 12/7/2010 11:54:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
notforc...@hotmail.com writes:
For all of those that asked for it on here I have sent a series of 5
documents
Bob,
Look for CONFIG:KAT3.
On 12/6/2010 2:28 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
Just finsihed my install of beta 4.22, so I could try out the APF.
I think I'm going to like it.
My problem is that when I went to tune my antenna, I get the message
No ATU.
I've gone all through the Config
Note that Don Kessler who designed the AT-AUTO will continue development of
the AT-AUTO under his new company. Refer to the Yahoo AT-AUTO group for more
info.
Harry
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To: 'Tommy Alderman'
I've owned my K3 for roughly two years, use it a lot, and I love it. I
think I know how most of it works and how to set it up, but there is
simply no question that the K3 user manual is a horrible piece of
documentation. There is a lot of information there, but it is
fragmented and terribly
No, it wouldn't. A wiki wouldn't be organized any better than the
current K3 manual. The K3 manual suffers less from not having enough
important information than it does from being structured like it was
written by an engineer who felt he had more important things to do.
73,
Dave AB7E
The K3 Wiki was pulled by Thom LaCosta due to lack of use. Besides, it
would be more disjointed than the manual!!
73,
Don, WB5HAK
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As another technical writer and editor, I lean heavily on key words searches
in PDF in just about any documentation I must read. It's been years since I
bothered to look in an index if the document is available in PDF. However, I
become very dependent upon the index (and often frustrated chasing
I also use the search capability for documents (including the K3 manual)
written in pdf format, but that is only useful if you know basically
what you are seeking. A user manual that only helps you clarify or
elaborate on something you already partially understand is crippled.
73,
Dave
Amen to that.
One usually gets insulted disbelief when you tell them that you can't
find things in their fact assemblage. The larger and more complete
the document becomes the harder it is to find things. While as a
tool, particularly for searching around on a schematic diagram, PDF
search is
I find a well-designed index to be very helpful. But the key word is
well-designed. Computer-generated indexes leave a lot to be desired
unless they are edited by a human.
For example, believe it or not, the California Vehicle Code has a very
nice index. If you are looking up rules that apply
This has become a long thread. At least this branch is shorter.
As an early adopter -production kit K3/10, #24-, I agree that the K3
manual, as it is today, is probably not the best introductory material
for new K3 owners. It was quite different when the K3 was a new box.
Even though many
I'll take it if it is still available. Please contact me offline at
wa6latarrl.net.
Thanks,
John, WA6L
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I'm certainly not an expert on the K3, but I do appreciate the information
that cycles through this reflector, and I do share the desire for a
compendium of how-to and best practices information on the rig.
That said, I am a fair writer and I have a good collection of illustration
and publishing
Hmmm ... I can't speak to Another Don's sales conjecture, but I don't
think basic tech writing skill is the root problem of this discussion.
If I know what I'm looking for, I usually find it in the downloadable
PDF manual most of the time, and it is clearly written. Nearly always,
when I
To stir the pot, how about a third menu mode aimed at getting the K3 on the air
so the ham user can experiment and learn its basic features while using the
radio?
Perhaps first use could be tied to the K3 Utility to help in the setup.
Extended explanations could be context-sensitive in the
We've already started work on a K3 owner's manual supplement that's
more tutorial in nature and addresses the concerns posted.
73,
Wayne
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Kenwood CS-2110 100MHZ Scope dual trace. Picked up from Lamar University
Auction along with other stuff in Misc LOT sale. Has power cord but no probes
or manual. Shows signs of heavy use. Displays trace on both channels and
backlight works. Can take and email pics if interested. $200
one thing that would also help..
when folks explain their process,
how they got there, and what their setting are.
they really must include the relavent settings for
AGC DCY, AGC HLD, AGC PLS, AGC SLP, AGC THR, AGC-F and AGC-S
with out these as a reference point
what ever comments are
Thanks, Greg.
73,
Dick - KA5KKT
I'm certainly not an expert on the K3, but I do appreciate the information
that cycles through this reflector, and I do share the desire for a
compendium of how-to and best
As someone said, this is a long thread. (Some threads are too long
before they start.) I just wanted to clarify/correct an impression that
my previous carelessness in expression may have made.
There is a substantial difference between a computer-generated index
(fie on that!) and an index
Monty Shultes wrote:
To stir the pot, how about a third menu mode aimed at getting the K3 on
the air so the ham user can experiment and learn its basic features while
using the radio?
Isn't that what default settings are for?
As a relatively new K3 user, I break down learning the radio
The present index was not machine-generated. It was derived from a
concordance file that was compiled by hand by our tech writer, Ron
(AC7AC). I add new entries to the index as they're added to the
manual, and since I maintain this manual personally, you can blame me
for any lack of
Thanks Wayne. When it is ready I will incorporate it into my K3 Micro Manual.
Should make a very valuable supplement.
Mike ks7d
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
We've already started work on a K3 owner's manual supplement that's
more
Fellow Elecrafters,
Many of you have praised the current version of apf. Since I spend 99%
or more of my time listening for weak signals on 80m, it should be a
very useful adjunct. How do you utilize the apf - with NR on or off?
My particular preference for listening keeps the NR on - never
I remember seeing it said that,
using the NR was useless when you were using narrow cw filters
6) NR is rarely useful if the bandwidth is narrow. If you set your CW width to
400 Hz or less, for example, there is no point in running NR *unless* you want
to use it as a sort-of smart squelch.
sorry to fast on the trigger
in my pea brain I had transposed the
apf quite uneffective with the NR on
into 'NR was quite ineffective on cw'
my bad
GB 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
On 12/7/2010 2:26 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
I remember seeing it said that, using the NR was useless when you were using
I remember hearing Stephen Fry in a radio show talk about
prepositions at the end of sentences. He mentioned a competition to
find the most used in a sentence. The winner was a line about someone
reading a book about Australia and bringing it upstairs: What did
you bring that book about down
One thing I've learned about using the APF is to keep the AF gain low. My
theory is: The ringing caused by the narrow filter is slightly weaker than
the desired tone. Reducing the audio gain tends to demphasize the unwanted
effects.
So when you first turn on APF and you think YUK, this is
And there is also the reply Winston Churchill gave in the House of Commons
when someone complained that Winston had ended a sentence with a
preposition: That, Sir, is something up with which I shall not put!
Stan KD8KBX
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We are getting 'way off topic here, but I can't resist adding a similarly
constructed sentence I learned from a professor who taught English Writing
courses at Pomona College. He sets the scene with two boys walking through a
cemetery on a dark night, naturally afraid what would suddenly
Wayne,
Thanks for my K3 and by extension the manual both in paper and pdf.
I may be in the minority - this is my second radio with only about 6 months
experience before purchasing the K3. The manual was instrumental in getting
me installed operating the K3. My first radio is a used Kenwood
Or, a child to her father at bedtime: What did you bring that book that I
didn't want to be read to out of up for?
If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as well smash it.
Chas W5DV
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I wonder if other setting on the K3, such as AGC, Width, NR have an impact
on how some perceive the APF? I can't believe how the signals pop out with
the APF. I have only used it on topband so far. But KH2 and 9Q could not be
heard with my pennant receive antennas. They popped out of the noise and
I will probably kick myself later for doing this but right now I feel the
need to downsize my station some. That means no more SO2R. So I have the
following items for sale:
K3/100#3459 with newer DSP board, KXV3 and 2.8kHz and 400Hz 8-pole
filters.$2100
YCCC SO2R box plus (4-radio setup)
Yep, another Elecraft related thread with lots of life..
Jim K4JAF
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From: Lew Phelps K6LMP k6...@me.com
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: dangles
We are getting 'way off topic here,
Hi guys,
In a few days I'll be active from South Cook islands with my K3 100 W /
vertical antenna and windom dipole.
Look at qrz.com for frequencies and dates.
73 de Giulio IW3HVB... Leaving tomorrow to Australia
Inviato dal dispositivo wireless BlackBerry®
Ok - time to end this OT dangling thread. :-)
73,
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Or, a child to her father at bedtime: What did you bring that book that I
didn't want to be read to out of up for?
If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as
O my ... did I open up a can of worms, or what?
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The K3 manual, like the FT-1000MP manual, seems to have an index that is
ordered by Functions, which is natural for manufacturers and designers but
perhaps not so much for users. The manual is written from the point of view of
somebody who already knows how to use the K3.
Someone had
Chas,
Now that was TOO funny.
:-)
Gary
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Charles Allen allen...@nbtx.com wrote:
Or, a child to her father at bedtime: What did you bring that book that I
didn't want to be read to out of up for?
If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as well
Ouch! What brought this on?
Dick
On Dec 7, 2010, at 13:38, GREG FICHER a...@cablespeed.com wrote:
I will probably kick myself later for doing this but right now I feel the
need to downsize my station some. That means no more SO2R. So I have the
following items for sale:
K3/100#3459 with
Sam,
The short version of what you say below is, in my words, If I can't carry it to
the thrown with me it's of no help.
However, it does seem that there are book sellers and writers out there that are
diligently trying to solve my problem. I love my BN NookBook ;o) and have the
Elecraft
Whur kin ah git me one a them danglin preposition thangs? Mah wahfe luvs
flawers.
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Member 35102
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:28:12 -0500, Mike Goldstein mg...@pathcom.com wrote:
Bill, as a pro technical writer, perhaps
Nobody has mentioned it yet, but firmware version 4.22 is now available as a
regular release.
Bill, K4CIA
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On 12/7/2010 2:40 PM, Kok Chen wrote:
The K3 manual, like the FT-1000MP manual, seems to have an index that
is ordered by Functions, which is natural for manufacturers and
designers but perhaps not so much for users. The manual is written
from the point of view of somebody who already knows
Another Sam wrote:
When folks explain their process.
Ahh yes, well written. Another part of adding value is to describe technique
with what is available.
Strategies. Usage Scenarios. Methodology. Why something exists, not just the
what. Communicating intent is often omitted and it's
On 12/7/2010 9:16 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
there is
simply no question that the K3 user manual is a horrible piece of
documentation. There is a lot of information there, but it is
fragmented and terribly organized. I could understand how the manual
might be weak coming out of the chute, but
H, I wonder why one of you guys that know how it should done, don't go
ahead and write the perfect manual. (Seriously) Perhaps Elecraft would buy
it. Or this could be your donation to your fellow K3 owners. It would save
a lot of space on the reflector too. Only those who can't read
Wayne,
If you don't mind I'd like to contribute to this excellent subject as well.
I'm a brand new user yet my experience with high end amateur and commercial
radios is extensive. There are a number of areas I would like to see
expanded upon, one that comes to mind is transmit and receive audio
Just my 2 cents on manuals. The N1MM, Logger32, Elecraft, et al all could
use improvements. My suggestion is to write comments on the sides of each
page (or somewhere), and when you think you are proficient at whatever you
are doing, send them to each institution involved (scan, Xerox,
Or set up a wiki and let it be a community effort.
73,
Jim - W4BQP
K2 #2268
On 12/7/2010 8:37 PM, w2b...@aol.com wrote:
H, I wonder why one of you guys that know how it should done, don't go
ahead and write the perfect manual. (Seriously) Perhaps Elecraft would buy
it. Or this could be
Now that 4.22 is an official release, I loaded it into my K3 4290 tonight.
After having read so much about the APF I couldn't wait to try it. I must
admit, I was a bit concerned it wouldn't live up to the hype. I needn't
have worried. It's everything I'd hoped it would be. I had a Drake 2B
Just a suggestion (and maybe there is an easy way to accomplish this,
but I don't know it):
Make the *.pdf documentation file directly editable (local version
only!). (I have the full Acrobat Professional, and it will not allow
editing if the K3 file.)
My K3 file is gussied up with sticky
Don,
I finally got enough time to do some more tests. The KPA100 is putting
out in excess of 100 watts on all bands when set for 30 watts. An
interesting thing though... the radio acted fine when I first started
testing, then suddenly went to bad behavior.
So, my next question just to
Camera owner's manuals are usually pretty poor, and as a result there's a
pretty healthy aftermarket of How to Use Your __ books out there. Any
one camera sells more in a month than all the K3s out there so no one's gonna
get rich or anything. It's still a worthwhile endeavour though.
73
Alan,
Remove the KPA100 shield and check the diodes with your ohmmeter. There
are other possible faults that could have crept into your KPA100
wattmeter circuits, but the diodes are the first suspects since that is
most common. If the diodes check good, then I can help you with the
Wayne,
Thanks SO much for listening to our issues and then taking positive action
to address them. This is the main reason you are staying WAY ahead of the
major three in amateur transceiver manufacturing.
Those of us out here giving feedback ARE really trying to help, and although
there are
I have installed the KIO2 and setup the K2 for computer control and
everything works well but I hear chuffing noise as the control software
polls the K2 (if I shut off the polling, the noise stops). It's not my
sound card picking up the noise: if I don't connect the K2 audio output to
the
Brian,
There are two reasons for not grounding the computer to K2 at both ends.
1) A Faraday Shield often works better than a shield grounded at both
ends. (note that there is a signal ground wire on pin 5).
2) Connecting the K2 ground to the computer serial port shell may create
circulating
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While we're on the topic, I would really like to have a text describing
the design of the K3,
an aid in understanding what the components do, the design choices and
why they were made, WHY modules were designed the way that they were,
and HOW they work at the component or group of components
Samuel E-F said:
Buy a radio, attend a quarterly held two or three day class presented
by the designers on advanced topics?
OK, maybe it's a four-hour class. :) Crazy Huh?
Not crazy at all! Could also be held at Pacificon etc as one part of a K3
operators get-together.
[Which I'd very much
Buy a radio, attend a quarterly held two or three day class presented by
the designers on advanced topics?
IF this would be done, how about for those who don't live in California or
anyone who can't make the date, tape the presentation and sell the DVD for
a reasonable price? This could be
Perhaps a webinar?
David
G3UNA
Buy a radio, attend a quarterly held two or three day class presented by
the designers on advanced topics?
IF this would be done, how about for those who don't live in California or
anyone who can't make the date, tape the presentation and sell the DVD
for
Webinar would be great! have followed a few from the PVRC and I think it
would be a great and interactive way to reach the masses.
73, Maarten
2010/12/8 David Cutter d.cut...@ntlworld.com
Perhaps a webinar?
David
G3UNA
Buy a radio, attend a quarterly held two or three day class presented
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