Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Ken WA8JXM
Protecting your equipment goes beyond a direct strike. I had an element in my K3 transmit final wiped out by a lightning strike a good distance away. I wasn't on the air at the time but I remember the strike. This was through a pair of Alpha-Delta switches. Sometimes I miss "the good old days" o

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Very good point. I fhave a grounded entrance panel with appropriate suppressors for power, rotor, and antenna feeds. Everything metal, including my operating desk is connected to this panel and bonded together. I have installed a wifi-to-ethernet bridge on my desk to establish an air gap betw

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/28/2023 5:46 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote: Turned out when the cable was brought into the house many years ago the installer failed to adequately ground at the entry point In the home I bought here in W6, power, CATV, and telco terminate at the same point. That's a good thing

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
A very significant thing I remember that's new/significantly expanded in the second edition is to address a shack on a higher floor or otherwise non-ideally located. Other issues like that. A lot of little stuff, like responding to questions Ward had heard when he did talks to clubs and at conv

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Ray Maxfield
FYI.. https://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/bonding/amateur-radio-bonding.html wa6vab Ray K3 On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 5:59 PM David Gilbert wrote: > > I suspect that is the rule rather than the exception. I have seen > several satellite and cable TV installations where the installe

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread David Gilbert
I suspect that is the rule rather than the exception.  I have seen several satellite and cable TV installations where the installer didn't bother to ground back to the service entrance and instead simply drove a short rod into the ground at a point closest to the cable gear. Dave   AB7E O

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
Exactly what happened to me: the strike came in on the cable line, took out the TV, the cable modem, the router, the computer hard-wired to the router (via ethernet), then to my poor K3 via the RS232 line. Turned out when the cable was brought into the house many years ago the installer failed to

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Russ Tobolic via Elecraft
I have the first edition of the ARRL book.  What is significant about the second edition that is different from the earlier edition? Russ, N3CO  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 7:14 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 7/28/2023 1:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Please don't laugh at

[Elecraft] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Bob McGraw
No such thing as a dumb question about lightning.  I spent 15 years in South Florida.  I've seen some lightning!  Welcome to KY.  I'm in  middle TN and do understand lightning. The ARRL publication by Ward Silver, Grounding and Bonding for the Amateur, is about the best compilation available

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Charles Hill
> On Jul 28, 2023, at 17:13, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 7/28/2023 1:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> Please don't laugh at me; I'm a transplant from a region of the country with >> essentially no lightning to a region where you have to worry about it quite >> a bit. > > The answer is, as KK9A said, t

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Ray Maxfield
I worked a Number of Years as a Broadcast Engineer. The Broadcast Industry has Put this one to bed years ago. No Need to re-invent the Wheel. Yes, it will Cost some Dollars to do it Right, but it can save YOUR Equipment. Ray WA6VAB K3 On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:51 PM Rick NK7I wrote: > We'

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/28/2023 1:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote: Please don't laugh at me; I'm a transplant from a region of the country with essentially no lightning to a region where you have to worry about it quite a bit. The answer is, as KK9A said, to follow proper grounding and bonding to the letter. N0AX's ARR

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Rick NK7I
We're in accord on static.  Like lightning, give it someplace to go OUTSIDE, not via the shack/structure.  Not just for noise but the voltages can be astoundingly high with enough amperage to cause harm. [A local puts his feeds in a glass jar then is amused at the glow of discharge, contained.

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt
I worked at Honeywell defense systems in the early 80's and I had two guys (Ph.D's from MIT) working in the office next to me that were experts in Meteorology... specifically the study of lightning. I would eat lunch with them because they were "interesting" to say the least. When they found o

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Bill Weaver
I run fiber from my ISP’s box to my router and then to the switches. 73, Bill WE5P Comfortably Numb > On Jul 28, 2023, at 18:06, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote: > > Please, PLEASE disconnect your COMPUTER from your radio(s) if lightning is > in the area! > > Almost ALWAYS lightning damaged gear t

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Keith Trinity WE6R
Please, PLEASE disconnect your COMPUTER from your radio(s) if lightning is in the area! Almost ALWAYS lightning damaged gear that comes in for repair, was hit _thru the comm port!_ (lightning hits Cable/DSL lines). As far as repairs I see, it is not common for it to be damaged from lightning

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Walter Underwood
Lightning can’t tell whether something is grounded because the energy pulse hasn’t gotten that far yet. Lightning induces a current in every nearby conductor. When that pulse of current reaches a building or electronics, we want to provide a low impedance path to a safe sink (ground rods) and a

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Rick NK7I
Not often (enough) does a ham have a 100'+ tower either.  😉 THE standard (of way so many to choose from) is from the cell phone industry (Motorola mostly).  It's insanely complex but if you're on a mountain top and need 100% reliability; ideal.  The costs, will be a second mortgage so some com

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt
Even the methods in that book are considered sub-standard by the broadcast industry... The only think that is a sure bet is to completely disconnect your radio and put it back in the shipping box. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ email: b...@wjschmidt.com -Original Message- Fro

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Rick NK7I
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread john
I would recommend that you follow proper lightning bonding/grounding techniques, these are the only methods that work. My tower has taken a number of lighting strikes. You cannot prevent a lightning strike. Simply disconnecting your feedling will not prevent damage inside your house as the voltage

[Elecraft] [OT] A dumb question about lightning

2023-07-28 Thread Al Lorona
Please don't laugh at me; I'm a transplant from a region of the country with essentially no lightning to a region where you have to worry about it quite a bit. We had a doozy of a storm last night, with lots of lightning overhead. I felt like a sitting duck, even though I had grounded both side