Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-05 Thread Wes Stewart
SOP on MS and EME over 30 years ago. On 7/5/2017 5:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: ... There's another powerful way to prevent overload of your RX by your neighbor -- out here in W6, neighbors try to TX on the same cycle as our neighbors. 73, Jim K9YC ___

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-05 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/5/2017 12:23 AM, Richard Lamont wrote: Thank you for your rigorous, quantified mathematical proof. Good engineering is not about math proofs, it's about big picture analysis of entire systems, understanding the limitations of each element, and concentrating on those elements that optimiz

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-05 Thread Richard Lamont
On 05/07/17 01:33, Jim Brown wrote: > Richard -- I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society, BSEE, retired, > worked in both audio and broadcasting. I'm VERY aware of distortion > products and the mechanisms that produce them. I also TAUGHT this stuff. > Your concerns are overblown. Thank you

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I fully agree with Jim, K9YC on the point of distortion. In fact there are two signal paths in which distortion will affect ones results. Certainly audio distortion on the TX side will affect the quality of ones transmitted signal and distortion on the receive will affect ones decode qualit

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 04 Jul 19:03 -0500, Christopher Hoover wrote: > I use fake it mode for split on my K3S, data mode, 4.00 on bandwidth, 1.5 > for shift.Works great. > > The rig control for WSJT-X split is not reliable for me.I build from > tip of tree from the repo with either hamlib-3.1 or hamli

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/4/2017 3:43 PM, Richard Lamont wrote: That's receive levels. I was talking about Tx distortion. The distortion I measured was for TX mode -- sound interface to radio. Richard -- I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society, BSEE, retired, worked in both audio and broadcasting. I'm VERY

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Christopher Hoover
I use fake it mode for split on my K3S, data mode, 4.00 on bandwidth, 1.5 for shift.Works great. The rig control for WSJT-X split is not reliable for me.I build from tip of tree from the repo with either hamlib-3.1 or hamlib git, so it is certainly possible I am seeing a regression that i

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Lamont
On 04/07/17 22:56, Jim Brown wrote: > Richard, > > Not nonsense at all. WSJT-X is VERY robust in the ability to reject > this sort of QRM. The screen grab below is a great example. I continue > to be amazed by the decoding in WSJT-X. About 10 days ago, W0OGH > accidentally got out of sync with J

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Jim Brown
Richard, Not nonsense at all. WSJT-X is VERY robust in the ability to reject this sort of QRM. The screen grab below is a great example. I continue to be amazed by the decoding in WSJT-X. About 10 days ago, W0OGH accidentally got out of sync with JA7QVI, calling on his TX cycle, and on the

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Lamont
On 04/07/17 19:38, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > One anomaly which I've just observed with my K3S. I did set the > software as suggested for SPLIT mode for WSJT-X / JT-65. The radio > followed as expected. I made a few contacts successfully with this > configuration. When I closed WSJT-X I note

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Brian Waterworth
Actually, my experience is different. If I transmit at the edges of the bandpass, my signal is attenuated due to the bandpass of the output stage. I hope I am saying this correctly. This is why I use split to ensure that the signal I transmit engages the full power of the KX3. Now, I have read m

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Lamont
On 04/07/17 18:37, Jim Brown wrote: > The split mode in WSJT-X is simply a crutch for those who don't know (or > don't care) how to set audio levels so that distortion is not produced > in the audio chain. Sorry, but that's nonsense. With a strong signal, just 1% distortion will produce audio har

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Tom-KQ5S
Thanks Joe. Mike, W9MDB, sent me a procedure using WSJTX to determine the cutoff points. I arrived at exactly what you are saying. I am using 1500 and find that I can copy JT9 out to 3000 and if a stronger signal out to about 3300. 73, Tom - KQ5S On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Joe Subich,

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I am using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode. Width of 4 KHz is useless with a 2800 Hz SSB filter. You do not need (and can't use) more than 3000 - 3300 Hz. The default shift of 1500 (for DATA A) will provide relatively flat audio response from 300 Hz to 2800 Hz with Width at

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
One anomaly which I've just observed with my K3S. I did set the software as suggested for SPLIT mode for WSJT-X / JT-65. The radio followed as expected. I made a few contacts successfully with this configuration. When I closed WSJT-X I noted it left the radio in SPLIT mode. I can just

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Tom-KQ5S
No argument but some folks, particularly those new to WSJTX, read the WSJTX user manual and follow it. Also split mode is "encouraged" on the WSJT group. Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode (separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not, W

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Jim Brown
I agree. I use WSJT-X mostly on 6M during the summer and 160M during the winter. On 6M, I can't use the WSJT-X split mode, because it takes over my second VFO, preventing me from working back and forth from WSJT-X on one VFO (and RX) and CW on the low end of the band. The split mode in WSJT-X

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Tom-KQ5S
From the WSJTX users manual: Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode (separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not, WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Wes Stewart
Since I am being dragged, kicking and screaming, into these imaginary QSO modes and have yet to allow my computer to talk to anyone else's computer on the air, perhaps I shouldn't comment, but I will anyway :-) I am receiving BTW, using WSJT-X in JT65. Depending on the tone(s), if the K3 is in

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Tom-KQ5S
Wow the message only took 24 hours to post. I am no expert but from what I have read it is best to select split operations in the WSJTX settings. By doing this you can work JT9 and JT65 at the same time since WSJTX will change the split frequency to insure you are within the passband. I keep my

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-04 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Why split? The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data when you allow WSJT-X to connect. Typical bandwidth for receive is 2.4 kHz to 2.7 kHz.If you switch to JT-9 via the software then the radio should move up band 2 kHz. This is all configured in the Settings F2 menu of

[Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX

2017-07-03 Thread Tom-KQ5S
Hope this is not a dupe. I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed up. I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup. What is the recommended shift for the K3S while running WSJTX? I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed. I am using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode. 73, Tom - KQ5