Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-20 Thread Bill W4ZV
Don Wilhelm-4 wrote So, there are OK alternate techniques, such as heating both ends of the component at the same time as Alan Bloom pointed out, or my usual solution of heating both ends alternately in rapid succession until the component moves, or the two soldering iron solution.

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: ...An engineer is a man who can do for five bob (25 cents) what anyone can do for a quid ($1)... and a government contractor is an outfit that can do for a guinea what anyone else can do for half a crown.

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-20 Thread Terry Schieler
: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:23 PM To: 'Elecraft Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft documents were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then refined and improved by customer feedback. That's

[Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Lee Buller
I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back to Aptos for updates. Now then, I just got at P3 and included in that is a kit that that changes a resistor on the K3 to give 10 db more to the P3. It is SMT, but they also include a small resistor if you don't want to use the SMT

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
Hi Lee, I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT resistor. Was pretty easy. Cut the old one in half in place, then unsoldered the two pieces. Then made sure the solder on both sides was good and cleaned most off. Was not much there. then tacked the SMT replacement in place on one

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Joel Black
I started building kits in January of 2011. Been a ham for almost 20 years and missed the Heathkit Generation. Why do I mention this? Well, the kits I wanted to build were SDR's (SoftRocks to be specific). They are great little radios and wonderful for those wanting to experiment with SDR;

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread D Joyce
or not a change is necessary. Good Luck You will really enjoy the P3. 73, Doug VE3MV - Original Message - From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves I have SN

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Jack Berry
you sent the rig back before. From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, April 19, 2012 9:20:03 AM Subject: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Bob
I do not believe cutting the part in half is a good idea. The stress is applied to the pads and they can lift off the board. The potential for board damage, is very high. 73, Bob K2TK On 4/19/2012 10:46 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Lee, I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Vic K2VCO
Check if it's been done. Then if you need to, just do it. The likelihood of damaging anything is very small. The component in question is large, as SMT parts go. You can do it. Read the instructions and jump in. You will feel great afterwards. On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote: I have

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Keith
Lee; Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010. I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email. Keith On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote: I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back to Aptos for updates. Now then, I just got at P3 and included in that

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
Hi Bob, I disagree. Did you read the Elecraft instructions?? Please do so then comment to Elecraft on the errors in their ways. Thanks and 73, tom n4zpt On 4/19/2012 12:04 PM, Bob wrote: I do not believe cutting the part in half is a good idea. The stress is applied to the pads and they can

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread JP O'Connor
Now that is customer service!!! On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Keith ke...@elecraft.com wrote: Lee; Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010. I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email. Keith On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote: I have SN 443 - an early

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Lee Buller
...@swbell.net Sent: Thu, April 19, 2012 11:23:25 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves Lee; Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010. I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email. Keith On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote: I have SN 443 - an early model

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Bob makes a good point IMHO in that cutting the part in half is not a good idea, it can damage the pads - been there g Better, I suggest, to unsolder both ends at the same time, and then remove the part off the board. Unsoldering one end and lifting that end can also stress the pad at the

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft documents were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then refined and improved by customer feedback. That's in accordance with Wayne's basic requirements for Elecraft manuals. So if you take the time to follow them

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Alan Bloom
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 14:23 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I have removed hundreds of two-terminal SMDs both by cutting them in half or by unsoldering one end at a time and lifting the part with never any damage to the pcb. On most two-terminal SMD parts (resistors, capacitors, etc.), the

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:23 PM To: 'Elecraft Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft documents were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then refined and improved by customer feedback. That's

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread George Dubovsky
Both at work and at home, I use two irons to remove SMD parts. The earlier poster that warned against pad damage when clipping a chip in half was right on; the damage won't occur most of the time, but it will certainly happen on the hardest to remove or the hardest to replace board ;-) And, I

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Mel Farrer
bits worth.  Buy the way the right tips are far less expensive than a damaged PCB. Mel, K6KBE Mel --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net wrote: From: Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves To: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz Cc: 'Elecraft Discussion

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Andrew Moore
It's not too bad - I would just recommend NOT simply clipping the existing SMG resistor - but rather heating it up and using tweezers to pull it off. If you clip with cold solder, you risk pulling up traces from the board. You may not mean clip in this sense but I thought I'd mention it just in

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread John Ragle
Clearly, the route to dealing with SMD's is a very personal one. I would like to offer my US$ 0.02 worth on this matter. A good, small-tip, temperature controlled soldering pencil is very important, as is fine gauge solder. I use a ceramic tipped iron which needs no extensive cleaning (a wipe

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Don Wilhelm
expensive than a damaged PCB. Mel, K6KBE Mel --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Alan Bloomn...@sonic.net wrote: From: Alan Bloomn...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves To: Ron D'Eau Clairer...@cobi.biz Cc: 'Elecraft Discussion List'elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, April

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Dave Lankshear
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Chipquik to ease the pain of SMT removal. It is a low temperature alloy (something like Wood's metal - the melting teaspoon in a hot drink prank etc.), supplied in small diameter wires together with a special flux. Melt a little Chipquik onto an existing

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Only because we were talking about simple two-terminal SMDs, Dave. I use Chipquik for SMDs with more than two terminals. It's great! I agree, follow the instructions on their website and you can remove/replace huge MCUs and other chips easily. This whole discussion reminds me of something my

Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves

2012-04-19 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave, I can highly recommend Chipquik - for multilegged devices. For devices with only 2 leads, I believe it is overkill (but it will work). My objections with Quickchip is that one *must* clean up the site before applying new solder - or the new solder will not stick.. The cleanup task is