Re: bug#58371: Org and Hyperbole

2023-03-14 Thread Mats Lidell
> Jean Louis writes: > * Robert Weiner [2022-10-04 09:29]: > > Another good thought. Anyone can add an embeddable export of Koutlines; I > > don't think we'll find time to do that in the mainline development branch > > though. > > Creating HTML export that is messy has greater impact on people, n

Re: bug#58371: Org and Hyperbole

2023-03-02 Thread Bob Weiner
This one too. Just running the output of the Koutline EXAMPLE.kotl HTML export through the validator mentioned and resolving the issues in the code that spits out the HTML: kexport:html. I'll add to the todo list for whenever you have time. Cheers, Bob Jean Louis writes: > * Robert Weiner

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread David Masterson
Jean Louis writes: > * David Masterson [2022-10-10 19:55]: >> Jean Louis writes: >> >> > * Robert Weiner [2022-10-09 00:06]: >> >> There are many reasons for this including limits in many >> >> organizations of the file types that may be transferred through >> >> common protocols and the diff

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* David Masterson [2022-10-10 19:51]: > I'm simply looking for an enhancement and standard for tying a media > file (say, a iPhone photo) to a task/note such that the media file will > follow the task/note back to the main Org file as well as follow it back > out to the capture system. > > I supp

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* David Masterson [2022-10-10 19:55]: > Jean Louis writes: > > > * Robert Weiner [2022-10-09 00:06]: > >> There are many reasons for this including limits in many > >> organizations of the file types that may be transferred through > >> common protocols and the difficulty of maintaining relatio

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread David Masterson
Robert Weiner writes: > Task management is a whole area separate from note taking. This was > something I was interested in many years ago but have not been able to > publish a system to implement my ideas > therein. Since people generally seem to be happy with Org's todo and agenda > featur

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread David Masterson
Jean Louis writes: > * Robert Weiner [2022-10-09 00:06]: >> There are many reasons for this including limits in many >> organizations of the file types that may be transferred through >> common protocols and the difficulty of maintaining relational >> database or structured file type schemas acr

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-10 Thread David Masterson
Jean Louis writes: > * David Masterson [2022-10-04 21:12]: >> Robert Weiner writes: >> >> > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note >> > taking in Emacs. We are not looking to do much with images or on >> > mobile devices, just focused on people who spend a lot of t

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-09 Thread indieterminacy
Hello Robert, On 08-10-2022 22:26, Robert Weiner wrote: Hi Jonathan: I and I think others would love to understand what you are trying to achieve. I get that you want to use the Koutline format with external systems like GemText and the TXR parser generator/Lisp language but I would rather und

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-09 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-10-08 23:55]: > Task management is a whole area separate from note taking. This was > something I was interested in many years ago but have not been able > to publish a system to implement my ideas therein. Since people > generally seem to be happy with Org's todo and agend

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-09 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-10-09 00:06]: > We had object-based, multi-media files with Engelbart's NLS/Augment > system. We had relational databases way before the web. > > But here we are in 2022 with enormous personal computing power and for > interactive editing, everyone is using and transferring

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-09 Thread Payas Relekar
Robert Weiner writes: > Good to hear. Maybe you can provide early feedback when it hits the > Hyperbole pre-release in the elpa-devel package archive (pre-releases of > Hyperbole packaged up from the git master branch tip). I'll be happy to! Unfortunately I'm not able to always follow this list

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Robert Weiner writes: > Hi Juan: > > I just tried your ':' technique for Hyperbole button activation with > Avy and it works well. But what is the advantage over just using Avy > to jump to the button and then pressing {M-RET}. With your technique, > you have to think about activating the button

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
We had object-based, multi-media files with Engelbart's NLS/Augment system. We had relational databases way before the web. But here we are in 2022 with enormous personal computing power and for interactive editing, everyone is using and transferring stream-based files of characters that are then

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Task management is a whole area separate from note taking. This was something I was interested in many years ago but have not been able to publish a system to implement my ideas therein. Since people generally seem to be happy with Org's todo and agenda features, we expect to just interact with t

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 3:06 AM Payas Relekar wrote: > Robert Weiner writes: > > > Thanks, Jean. We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for > > Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support > backlinks > > too. We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Juan: I just tried your ':' technique for Hyperbole button activation with Avy and it works well. But what is the advantage over just using Avy to jump to the button and then pressing {M-RET}. With your technique, you have to think about activating the button before you are there versus when

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Jonathan: I and I think others would love to understand what you are trying to achieve. I get that you want to use the Koutline format with external systems like GemText and the TXR parser generator/Lisp language but I would rather understand the purpose of what you are trying to build (proble

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Eric: Thanks for pointing this out. Although, I don't think many people use the gnus-dired.el library, we'll add this to the todo list. We have handled this sort of thing with other keys previously, where the Hyperbole binding is not utilized if the key has already been bound in the mode prio

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Siva: (Sorry, I can't read this list too often so I miss some of these great messages). That is a very nice explanation of the power of implicit buttons. Imagine being able to ignore having to fully parse documents and instead just describing the patterns of interest and what to do with them

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 5:18 PM David Masterson wrote: > Robert Weiner writes: > > > Great to see you here too. We could use you on extended Hyperbole > > documentation if you ever get into it. > > Thanks, my hands don't type well anymore or I might've considered it, > > > 1. The OO-Browser wa

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 11:50 AM Russell Adams wrote: > > Could you point to some usage of Hyperbole that could help address > it's use case? > Hi Russell: There are videos. The 'Overview and Demo' video has section links in the description so you can jump to just sections that interest you:

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-08 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Guys: I know what SQLite, org-roam and multi-user RDBMSes are and I use all of these things at various levels. They are useful in many ways as you have pointed out and across time, we may consider optional integrations but one of the core design principles of Hyperbole is to work in all fairly

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Hendursaga [2022-10-08 03:46]: > Jean Louis writes: > > > Of course it is so much better option than keeping stuff in text. All > > properties shall be in the database. SQLite is not a network database, thus > > it disables collaboration. It is better developing with PostgresSQL or > > Mari

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Hendursaga
Jean Louis writes: > Of course it is so much better option than keeping stuff in text. All > properties shall be in the database. SQLite is not a network database, thus > it disables collaboration. It is better developing with PostgresSQL or > MariaDB, or other network databases. Vanilla SQLi

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-10-04 09:29]: > Another good thought. Anyone can add an embeddable export of Koutlines; I > don't think we'll find time to do that in the mainline development branch > though. Creating HTML export that is messy has greater impact on people, no matter of popularity of the pa

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Payas Relekar [2022-10-04 09:56]: > Not Jean, but as someone using Org with Hyperbole, this is a great news! > > > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note taking > > in Emacs. We are not looking to do much with images or on mobile devices, > > just focused on people

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* David Masterson [2022-10-04 21:12]: > Robert Weiner writes: > > > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note > > taking in Emacs. We are not looking to do much with images or on > > mobile devices, just focused on people who spend a lot of time in > > Emacs and want an

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-10-04 09:26]: > Thanks, Jean. We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for > Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support backlinks > too. We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs Outlines, > Org mode files and Markdown files, sear

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Wales [2022-06-23 04:13]: > i am interested in whether hyperbole can inspire org. or maybe spin > off stuff that is useful for org. Hyperbole is used on top of anything, useful for any mode, be it read only, writable, any. > i find org-link-minor-mode to be really useful.

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Louis
On October 4, 2022 6:05:58 PM UTC, David Masterson >One major use-case for Org is capturing a task quickly. This can be >done with Org or Mobile-Org (BeOrg, Orgzly). One feature not easily >available is attaching images to the task to better explain the task. > >Thoughts on this? There are many

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-04 Thread David Masterson
Robert Weiner writes: > We welcome brief summaries of features you need for effective note > taking in Emacs. We are not looking to do much with images or on > mobile devices, just focused on people who spend a lot of time in > Emacs and want an easy-to-use notes system that does not require any

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-04 Thread Payas Relekar
Robert Weiner writes: > Thanks, Jean. We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for > Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support backlinks > too. We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs Outlines, > Org mode files and Markdown files, searching across

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-03 Thread Robert Weiner
Another good thought. Anyone can add an embeddable export of Koutlines; I don't think we'll find time to do that in the mainline development branch though. On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:45 AM Jean Louis wrote: > * Robert Weiner [2022-06-25 23:52]: > > 2. We have not yet integrated org-export with

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-10-03 Thread Robert Weiner
Thanks, Jean. We have started work on a note-taking subsystem for Hyperbole that will store UUIDs per note and will likely support backlinks too. We are seeing if we can make it support Koutlines, Emacs Outlines, Org mode files and Markdown files, searching across all formats at the same time. T

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-06-25 23:52]: > 2. We have not yet integrated org-export with the Koutliner but want > to. You can convert a Koutline to a star outline and call it an Org > file, so it wouldn’t be too hard. It has its own builtin export to > HTML from which you could get to pdf as well, I

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Russell Adams
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 04:06:17PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Tim Cross [2022-06-21 02:43]: > > > > Russell Adams writes: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:03:15PM +, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > > >> I've been intrigued with GNU Hyperbole for a while. I'm reading the > > >> documentation

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Robert Weiner [2022-06-24 12:53]: > Hyperbole does not have bi-directional links, only a history > function to move back through followed node paths. We have started > thinking about this need recently. If at all it is useful. As you know I am using database backed Dynamic Knowledge Repositor

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Wales [2022-06-24 07:33]: > hi robert, welcome to the org list and thanks for your offer. > > for starters, does hyperbole have any concept of links that are: > > - unbreakable [like org-id] > > - bidirectional [link a goes to link b; link b goes to link a], or, > reversible via comman

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Tim Cross [2022-06-21 02:43]: > In the end, it came down to asking myself do I really want yet another > information management framework in my life and the answer was no. I do > vaguely recall (it was a while ago) there were some ideas I thought > would be good to add to org mode though. Unfort

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Tim Cross [2022-06-21 02:43]: > > Russell Adams writes: > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:03:15PM +, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > >> I've been intrigued with GNU Hyperbole for a while. I'm reading the > >> documentation and trying it out a bit. It seems that its button system > >> is very p

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
Your ideas are inspirational. Myself I think of implementing meta links that shall look similar like this: ⟦ (link 123) ⟧ and which would be inserted very easily by completing the choice among many links. The link would appear underlined anywhere in Emacs if mode is turned on. It would appear eit

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-09-27 Thread Jean Louis
* indieterminacy [2022-06-20 19:26]: > I recommend Hyperbole, though I must confess Ive been using Orgmode a lot > less since Ive been focusing on the format GemText. Hyperbole and Orgmode are programs of different types, and thus not comparable to each other. Sure I can compare the traffic signs

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-16 Thread Robert Weiner
Just noting that we have seen this and will have a look. -- rsw > On Jul 16, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Robert Weiner wrote: > > And it does highly complex context matching for many common patterns out of > the box with no need for customization. > > — rsw > >> On Jul 7, 2022, at 8:26 AM, Ihor Radch

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-16 Thread Robert Weiner
And it does highly complex context matching for many common patterns out of the box with no need for customization. — rsw > On Jul 7, 2022, at 8:26 AM, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Max Brieiev writes: > >> Embark defines the following targets: file, symbol, URL, s-expression, >> defun, etc. It

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-07 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Max Brieiev writes: > Embark defines the following targets: file, symbol, URL, s-expression, > defun, etc. It seems it is conceptually the same as implicit buttons in > Hyperbole. Is this correct? AFAIK, the strength of Hyperbole is that you can easily define custom targets. Best, Ihor

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-07 Thread Max Brieiev
Hi Robert, Robert Weiner writes: > Oantolin no doubt can speak to Embark much better but my present > understanding is that it is a toolkit package for generating contextual > popup or completion menus with a few standard context menus included. > > Hyperbole is a much broader personal informati

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-07 Thread Fraga, Eric
Robert, one immediate issue that has arisen is the binding of C-c C-m (i.e. C-c RET) to hui-select-thing. This clobbers the whole gnus-dired-mode-map in dired mode (for those of us that use gnus...). Just noting this but should probably take this off-list as it has nothing to do with org. -- :

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-06 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Eric: Wonderful. We hope more Org users will try Hyperbole as well and let us know any additional implicit button types (automatic wiki-like hyperbuttons) you would like to see in Org mode or other ways Org and Hyperbole can interoperate. -- rsw On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 12:58 PM Fraga, Eric

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-06 Thread Fraga, Eric
So I installed hyperbole and it works very nicely. The key binding is no longer intrusive. Thank you. -- : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.5.4-609-g713598 in Emacs 29.0.50

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Robert Weiner
Correct. It uses just C-h h to activate the Hyperbole minor mode and to display its keyboard driven minibuffer menu. This is a normal global key binding which you can easily rebind to anything you like. -- rsw > On Jul 4, 2022, at 10:44 AM, Fraga, Eric wrote: > > On Monday, 4 Jul 2022 at

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Fraga, Eric
On Monday, 4 Jul 2022 at 21:09, Tim Cross wrote: > It appears that hyperbole now uses C-h h as its menu key. Other C-h > bindings appear to be unaffected (you just don't get the old Hello file > which you normally have bound to C-h h). Ah, that sounds better. I can definitely manage without easy

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Tim Cross
"Fraga, Eric" writes: > Robert, > > just one quick comment and question (maybe the documentation covers > this; if so, apologies): when I tried hyperbole years ago, the annoying > thing was that it took over C-h. My muscle memory after decades of > Emacs use was disturbed significantly as I us

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Fraga, Eric
On Monday, 4 Jul 2022 at 19:01, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > I posted a bug report related to this in the past and it was fixed. So, > situation may be somewhat better. You might try and see what happens. Thank you. I will play with this system again then. -- Eric S Fraga, @ericsfraga:matrix.org, G

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Ihor Radchenko
"Fraga, Eric" writes: > just one quick comment and question (maybe the documentation covers > this; if so, apologies): when I tried hyperbole years ago, the annoying > thing was that it took over C-h. My muscle memory after decades of > Emacs use was disturbed significantly as I use C-h (for Ema

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-04 Thread Fraga, Eric
Robert, just one quick comment and question (maybe the documentation covers this; if so, apologies): when I tried hyperbole years ago, the annoying thing was that it took over C-h. My muscle memory after decades of Emacs use was disturbed significantly as I use C-h (for Emacs help) all the time.

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-02 Thread Samuel Wales
thank you. that helps me understand. i probably won't be asking them a q, if i have to sign up and set up a non-free js in debian or firefox-esr [?]. embark looks interesting though. On 7/1/22, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Samuel Wales writes: > >> thanks! i was aware that it was developed on gi

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-01 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Samuel Wales writes: > thanks! i was aware that it was developed on github, but i do not > know anything about github, and didn't kow if there was a maliing list > in addition. or are projects given their own mailing lists when they > are formed on github? or is there an email bidir interface

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-01 Thread Samuel Wales
thanks! i was aware that it was developed on github, but i do not know anything about github, and didn't kow if there was a maliing list in addition. or are projects given their own mailing lists when they are formed on github? or is there an email bidir interface to github? or is pretty much a

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-01 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Samuel Wales writes: > is there a mailing list for embark? AFAIK, embark is developed on GitHub: https://github.com/oantolin/embark/ Best, Ihor

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-07-01 Thread Samuel Wales
is there a mailing list for embark? On 6/24/22, Robert Weiner wrote: > Hi João: > > Oantolin no doubt can speak to Embark much better but my present > understanding is that it is a toolkit package for generating contextual > popup or completion menus with a few standard context menus included. >

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-27 Thread David Masterson
Robert Weiner writes: > Yes, I no longer have time to maintain it and based on quality > standards don't wish to re-release it unless one or more highly > experienced Emacs package developers want to take it on, as it is a > good size package. Such a person would have to have developed > signifi

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-26 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Jonathan: Yes, I no longer have time to maintain it and based on quality standards don't wish to re-release it unless one or more highly experienced Emacs package developers want to take it on, as it is a good size package. Such a person would have to have developed significant Emacs packages

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-26 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Siva: Yes, I think you have a good handle on the concepts behind Hyperbole buttons and additional Action Key contexts. Beyond that, there is also the Koutliner, HyRolo and HyControl in Hyperbole as you grow into it. Look forward to seeing some of the implicit button types you create for your

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-26 Thread indieterminacy
On 26-06-2022 22:03, David Masterson wrote: writes: On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 11:37:55PM -0700, Siva Swaminathan wrote: [...] I feel that some of the questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story of five blind men feeling the elephant [...] The nice thing about that kind o

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-26 Thread David Masterson
writes: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 11:37:55PM -0700, Siva Swaminathan wrote: >> [...] I feel that some of the >> questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story of five >> blind men feeling the elephant [...] > > The nice thing about that kind of situation is that it only can improv

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-26 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 11:37:55PM -0700, Siva Swaminathan wrote: > Hello, > [...] I feel that some of the > questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story of five > blind men feeling the elephant [...] The nice thing about that kind of situation is that it only can improve by addi

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread Siva Swaminathan
Hello, I only recently became aware of Hyperbole (through Bob's demo video available on Youtube), and came across this thread while googling to find more information about Hyperbole. I feel that some of the questions raised here about Hyperbole sound akin to the story of five blind men feeling the

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread David Masterson
Robert Weiner writes: > Great to see you here too. We could use you on extended Hyperbole > documentation if you ever get into it. Thanks, my hands don't type well anymore or I might've considered it, > 1. The OO-Browser was part of InfoDock, my IDE framework atop XEmacs. > I have updated it

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi David: Great to see you here too. We could use you on extended Hyperbole documentation if you ever get into it. 1. The OO-Browser was part of InfoDock, my IDE framework atop XEmacs. I have updated it for GNU Emacs but never get the time to finish it enough to put it out there again as Hy

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread Robert Weiner
Good idea, Juan. I’m all for quick ways to activate buttons without losing your current context. I’ll take a look at how we might support this as an optional load. -- Bob > On Jun 25, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Juan Manuel Macías > wrote: > > Hi, Robert, > > Robert Weiner writes: > >> We do lik

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread David Masterson
Robert Weiner writes: > I am happy to answer questions and discuss ways we can make Hyperbole > and Org work even better together; one direct question per message > would typically work best. Responses may take awhile as my schedule > makes it difficult to keep up with high volume mailing lists

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-25 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Hi, Robert, Robert Weiner writes: > We do like avy and as you say, Hyperbole can work with it. We try to > avoid requiring any non-builtin Emacs packages for Hyperbole. With a > few, we support them optionally. Unless there is a strong use case > for utilizing avy in certain ways, we would ten

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi João: Oantolin no doubt can speak to Embark much better but my present understanding is that it is a toolkit package for generating contextual popup or completion menus with a few standard context menus included. Hyperbole is a much broader personal information management environment, one part

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Juan: Thanks for the positive thoughts on Hyperbole. I must say everyone here has a great attitude and writes thoughtfully from what I have seen. It seems like you are off to a good start utilizing core features as you get familiar with them and then adding on across time. We do like avy and

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread João Pedro
Hey Robert. Thanks for coming here to offer to clarify any doubts people have regarding Hyperbole. I haven't been interacting with the thread, but I've been lurking about and I've tried Hyperbole in the past, but couldn't precisely figure out its use case in my particular workflow, so I gave up on

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Hi, Robert, First of all, welcome to the list. And of course congratulations on all the great work you've done with hyperbole. In my ignorance, when I recently installed it from ELPA, I thought it was a relatively recent package. But it seems that you have been developing it for a long time, while

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Jonathan: Yes, the backlink issue is one of the reasons we have not focused on moving kcells with permanent hyperlink anchors from one file to another. We generally feel that the context of kcells within an outline is important and thus should stay as a unit. You obviously can and do link to

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Tim: Great to see you working with Org and Hyperbole together. It is funny you mention a dashboard as that is the main next feature we are working on for Hyperbole. Presently, there is a 'personal button file' that serves as your launch pad for any commonly used hyperbuttons, acc

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread indieterminacy
Hi Robert, On 24-06-2022 07:34, Robert Weiner wrote: Hi Samuel: On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:32 AM, Samuel Wales wrote: hi robert, welcome to the org list and thanks for your offer. for starters, does hyperbole have any concept of links that are: - unbreakable [like org-id] This one is not s

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-24 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Samuel: > On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:32 AM, Samuel Wales wrote: > > hi robert, welcome to the org list and thanks for your offer. > > for starters, does hyperbole have any concept of links that are: > > - unbreakable [like org-id] This one is not so simple to answer. Hyperbole only uses perm

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Tim Cross
Hi Robert, welcome to the list. I find hyperbole very interesting and am trying it out now. I can see a few areas where I think it may augment my current org based workflows and development tasks. One thing I will be looking at is how well hyperbole works with an evil-mode based configuratio

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread indieterminacy
On 24-06-2022 01:36, Samuel Wales wrote: [p.s. it also was not the topic i was talking about in my post. :] i was talking about specific features of links.] I use (general) links functionality that hyperbole provides inside my emacs shell. Apologies for not matching your specificity. -- J

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Samuel Wales
hi robert, welcome to the org list and thanks for your offer. for starters, does hyperbole have any concept of links that are: - unbreakable [like org-id] - bidirectional [link a goes to link b; link b goes to link a], or, reversible via command to say "what links here?" [by any mechanism. if de

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi Eduardo: I hope you'll take another look. (hyperbole-mode 0) disables the Hyperbole minor mode and all of its key bindings. The global binding {C-h h} is left in place so that you can quickly re-enable Hyperbole's minor mode and display its navigational minibuffer menu (where quick keys let y

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Robert Weiner
Typically: {M-x package-install RET hyperbole RET} {M-x hyperbole-mode RET} is enough to install the stable, V8 version of Hyperbole to try out. If you are more advanced and want to try out the in-development version that corresponds to the git tip of the Hyperbole master branch, this is availabl

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Eduardo Ochs
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 22:47, Robert Weiner wrote: > > I am the author of Hyperbole and would be happy to answer questions > concerning Hyperbole today (so you don't have to answer based on > experience from the 1990s). Hyperbole has been modernized for use > with Org mode and Emacs 28 and contin

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Robert Weiner
For reference: Hyperbole Videos are here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNRwswKKpjOlOVfFTS73P9A/videos The Hyperbole Home Page is here: https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/ Just to look at if you don't want to interact with it, the Hyperbole FAST-DEMO file is here: https://www.gnu.or

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Robert Weiner
Hi: Thanks to Juan for starting this thread and the interesting conversation it has started. I just joined this mail list, so I don't have the prior messages and can't reply to the thread, so I have started this new one. I am the author of Hyperbole and would be happy to answer questions concern

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Samuel Wales
[p.s. it also was not the topic i was talking about in my post. :] i was talking about specific features of links.]

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Samuel Wales
i was indeed aware that one can dig into hyperbole's manual and load it and keep using it for lots of buffers alongside org. i first learned about hyperbole in the 1990s or so and it seemed rather neat and it seems intriguing still. but that is not the model i was talking about in my post. [ther

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Eduardo Ochs
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 11:36, Bill Burdick wrote: > > Here's a hyperbole-org integration that lets you use org-mode tables outside > of org-mode files. Shift-middle-click a "recalc" button and it will > recalculate the table right under it (this idea is from an old version of the > Oberon envir

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-23 Thread Samuel Banya
I'll be honest, every time I've ever seen Hyperbole attempted to be explained, it goes over my head in 2 seconds. It seems like something akin to Acme where its mouse driven button events that trigger other things to occur. Could never find a single solid video that dumbed down Hyperbole to mak

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread Bill Burdick
Note that recalc relies on lexical binding so if you use it, whatever file it's in needs ;; -*- lexical-binding: t -*- at the top. -- Bill

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread Bill Burdick
In case anyone's interested in writing hyperbole commands that can act on regions but be located in other windows... To write a hyperbole command that restores the previous window and selection, just call bill/hyp-load-state at the start of your code and call bill/hyp-restore at the end (see bill/

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread linux_hpc_akr
I use both Org and Hyperbole. I'm a sysadmin so I do a lot with files and paths and URLs. A lot of which happens not in org files. Being able to treat the files/paths/URLs as implicit buttons anywhere is pretty valuable to me. I just hit hkey-either on a filename/path and emacs opens it.

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread indieterminacy
On 23-06-2022 06:04, David Masterson wrote: Samuel Wales writes: i am interested in whether hyperbole can inspire org. or maybe spin off stuff that is useful for org. Hyperbole is loaded and activated in your .emacs file. Therefore, it's features are available in any file you work on (incl

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread David Masterson
Samuel Wales writes: > i am interested in whether hyperbole can inspire org. or maybe spin > off stuff that is useful for org. Hyperbole is loaded and activated in your .emacs file. Therefore, it's features are available in any file you work on (including Org files). Many of the features may b

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread David Masterson
Bill Burdick writes: > Sure: > > (defun bill/restore-calc-point (result) > (when bill/calc-point > (goto-char bill/calc-point) > (setq bill/calc-point nil)) > result) > > (advice-add 'hmouse-function :filter-return 'bill/restore-calc-point) > > If my recalc function matches, it sets b

Re: Org and Hyperbole

2022-06-22 Thread Samuel Wales
i am interested in whether hyperbole can inspire org. or maybe spin off stuff that is useful for org. i find org-link-minor-mode to be really useful. limited, but useful. does tses too. i use it in non-org files to link to other places in the same file, mostly. also i insert the r

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