In message <6375i98urqcyvtk0xat90g3c.1427991110...@email.android.com>,
dated Thu, 2 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
Mixed-sex flightcrew? :
I think this thread has gone far beyond reason and I think it should be
closed. It was about irrecoverable situations in general. We are not
aircraft sa
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>Gert
>
>That's fine when there are two people in the cockpit - but what happens when one has left to answer the call of nature?
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: [PSES] Germanwings crash
Gert
That's fine when there are two people in the cockpit - but what happens when
one has left to answer the call of nature?
Presumably the door cannot then be closed or opened - so it has to stay open,
which breaks the major post 9/11 rule that the door has
remmen
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Subject: RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
Gert
That's fine when there are two people in the cockpit - but what happens
when one has left to answer the call of nature?
Presumably the door cannot then be closed or opened - so it has to stay
open, w
And when the Air Marshal 'goes rogue'?
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 at 9:40 AM
From: "John Woodgate"
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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
In message
plzrZUBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Thu, 2 Apr 2015, John Allen
wri
In message
plzrZUBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Thu, 2 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
I don't there is any definitive solution to the problem (except that no
aircraft ever fly), and so there will always be risks of aircraft being
crashed deliberately.
I think it's difficult to defeat the
the powers that be decide which, if any, of these
(or other) "solutions" are adopted, but be "vigilant" in the meantime. "Sh*t
happens" and it always will.
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Sent: 02 April 2015 08:45
To: EMC-
In message
CeP/voBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Thu, 2 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
that two people must be in the cockpit and all times, and thus when one
leaves then another one must enter.
That has been criticized, like everything else these days. I don't give
much weight to the cri
In message
R43nIoBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Thu, 2 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
That's fine when there are two people in the cockpit - but what happens
when one has left to answer the call of nature?
Presumably the door cannot then be closed or opened - so it has to stay
open, whic
ilto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: 02 April 2015 05:24
To: John Allen; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
Since its not difficult to map all the world on a single USB card (including
height information)
the plane itself might have enough information to simp
t all times except when a crew person is legitimately
leaving / entering.
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From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
[mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: 02 April 2015 05:15
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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
>Or
for waving to the ground
crew...
Gert
Van: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 1 april 2015 23:02
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Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
John
Military drones analogy? - I don't think so!
ijk bericht-
Van: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Verzonden: woensdag 1 april 2015 21:34
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Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
In message <01d06ca9$c89b05e0$59d111a0$@westin-emission.no>, dated
Wed, 1 Apr 2015, Amund Westin writes
bulkhead something like "1-800-gutentag?"
Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA
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From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:06 PM
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nications-related issues mentioned in my first
post on this subject.
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 01 April 2015 22:41
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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
In message
, dated Wed, 1 Apr 2015, Jo
In message
ucpoOcBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Wed, 1 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
you think they could conceivably operate consistent and reliable
systems whereby a pilot says "I need a cr*p, please open the cockpit
door in 30s", and "someone", "somewhere", has to say " OK", and do th
"Terminator, Judgement Day" here we come! L
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: 01 April 2015 21:30
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mailto:kQ8nscBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
k
In message
kQ8nscBAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>, dated Wed, 1 Apr 2015, John Allen
writes:
Not realistic for a huge raft of reasons: air-to-ground-to-air
time-delays, comms issues, EMI issues, language issues, situational
awareness issues - need I go on? !! L
Those factors may be taken into a
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Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Germanwings crash
Doors should be opened by ground control officers via radio.
-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ken Javor [ <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>
mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sendt: 1. april 2015 18:38
Til: <m
In message <01d06ca9$c89b05e0$59d111a0$@westin-emission.no>, dated
Wed, 1 Apr 2015, Amund Westin writes:
Doors should be opened by ground control officers via radio.
Or lockout should be impossible unless there are two officers on the
flight deck (two security codes needed, not a toggle
In message
.com>, dated Wed, 1 Apr 2015, Brian Oconnell
writes:
Is the failure of internal personel an extension of 'forseeable misuse'
?
It's foreseeable, but I leave it to Mr. Nute to say whether it's
'misuse' or something else.
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.d
internal personel an extension of 'forseeable misuse' ?
Brian
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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Germanwings crash
In message , dated Wed, 1
Apr 2015,
Doors should be opened by ground control officers via radio.
-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sendt: 1. april 2015 18:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] Germanwings crash
These type doors became mandatory after 9/11. Boeing
In message , dated Wed, 1
Apr 2015, Ken Javor writes:
These type doors became mandatory after 9/11. Boeing was sued after
9/11 because these type doors had not been installed.
What is the manufacturer to do?
I feel that Boeing and Airbus have enough clout to get bad decisions by
FAA, ICAO
fone/fax
p.perk...@ieee.org
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From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 9:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Germanwings crash
These type doors became mandatory after 9/11. Boeing was sued after 9/11
b
:
> Subject: [PSES] Germanwings crash
>
> There is a general safety lesson to be learned, which needs to be
> applied to every risk analysis. An irrecoverable situation (flight deck
> door locked from inside and opening denied) cannot be accepted even if
> the probability of a
There is a general safety lesson to be learned, which needs to be
applied to every risk analysis. An irrecoverable situation (flight deck
door locked from inside and opening denied) cannot be accepted even if
the probability of a bad result appears vanishingly small.
This post is not meant to
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