Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread John Murphy
SSD's have a very finite life. I can't go into details on what makes/models have longer lives, or ways that different companies extend SSD life, but any enterprise application using SSD's for performance reasons almost considers the SSD a consumable of the system. Even consumer products manufactu

[Emc-users] Anyone configure the Gecko Drive - CNCRouterParts Kit?

2010-10-22 Thread Shaffin Bhanji
Hello, I am thinking to get the 4 axis electronics kit that CNCRouterParts sells - http://www.cncrouterparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=75 Anyone happen to get this configured correctly to run a dual drive y-axis system? I have had good success using the Xylotex 3-axis system b

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
Jon, thanks. What I like about atoms and ssds, is that they are cool and thus are unlikely to suffer from temperature stress. There is also no dependency on rotating fans. Meaning almost no dust clogging the PC, no bearing failure etc. Additionally for SSDs, there are no moving platters. I would u

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > Jon, this is sad, but true. > > So, how would you approach building such a PC yourself? > Based ENTIRELY on my personal experience, I would go with a used Dell Optiplex. One good thing about the used thing is that they come "pre tested". Now, as for how much of their life

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
Jon, this is sad, but true. So, how would you approach building such a PC yourself? How about an Atom base mobo, SSD and a PicoPSU? Maybe with a space AC-DC adapter? i On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Dave wrote: >> Just a thought, but Jetway sells a 12 volt DC supply Mini I

Re: [Emc-users] Dell Optiplex for EMC2

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Cecil Thomas wrote: > Some time back I remember someone saying that they had had very good > luck with the smaller footprint Dell Optiplex models running EMC2 > with very low or at least good latency. > I have been looking around and have found several at reasonable > prices but my research has

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote: > Just a thought, but Jetway sells a 12 volt DC supply Mini Itx > motherboard that has an onboard PS. > > If you fed that with a small linear power supply (which are low voltage, > low tech, and extremely reliable) perhaps you can avoid the crappy PC > power supply situation > that w

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > OK, thanks for saving my A$$ and giving me your first hand user > experience. I will look for something else. > > Which is kind of sad really. How hard is it to put together a fanless > system that consumes at most 20 watts and has a reliable power supply? > It may be very h

Re: [Emc-users] return to home

2010-10-22 Thread Stuart Stevenson
try g91 g28 z0 g91 g28 x0 y0 g90 this should move z to home position and then move x and y to home position On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Ries van Twisk wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > > On 10/22/2010 03:20 PM, For Sale Sticker wrote: > >> OK - so t

Re: [Emc-users] return to home

2010-10-22 Thread Ries van Twisk
On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > On 10/22/2010 03:20 PM, For Sale Sticker wrote: >> OK - so this might be kind of a silly question I know - but is >> there a simple way to have all the axis return to the home position >> (without joging by hand). >> > > g53 g0 x0 y0

[Emc-users] Dell Optiplex for EMC2

2010-10-22 Thread Cecil Thomas
Some time back I remember someone saying that they had had very good luck with the smaller footprint Dell Optiplex models running EMC2 with very low or at least good latency. I have been looking around and have found several at reasonable prices but my research has shown that there are about a d

Re: [Emc-users] return to home

2010-10-22 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 10/22/2010 03:20 PM, For Sale Sticker wrote: > OK - so this might be kind of a silly question I know - but is there a simple > way to have all the axis return to the home position (without joging by hand). > g53 g0 x0 y0 z0 Or look at g28 and g30. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -

[Emc-users] return to home

2010-10-22 Thread For Sale Sticker
OK - so this might be kind of a silly question I know - but is there a simple way to have all the axis return to the home position (without joging by hand). Thanks Andy -- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Callin

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
And by the way, running PCs into very old age without rebuilding, just was not possible before due to use of rotating platter hard drives. So even old PCs, like Jon's Optiplex, had to be rebuilt to be used beyond 5 years. With SSDs, the situation is principally different and, in the absence of mas

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
Dave, this is a great idea, use a 12v mobo and a linear power supply instead of SMPS. I am not totally sure that I want to go this far, just because it becomes a big project, but maybe I will. I know that I hear a lot of bullshit from PC makers, but none of them really cares about reliability beyo

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable Keyboard/Mouse. was: Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2010/10/22 Colin Kingsbury : >> Frank Tkalcevic wrote: >> >> Keyboards and mice are another issue. These need to be protected and >> kept >> >> clean. >> >> >> > >> > So what do people use for keyboard/mouse? >> > > I got one of these flexible silicone keyboards for $10. You need to put it > on a s

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday, October 22, 2010 03:12:03 pm Igor Chudov did opine: > OK, thanks for saving my A$$ and giving me your first hand user > experience. I will look for something else. > > Which is kind of sad really. How hard is it to put together a fanless > system that consumes at most 20 watts and has

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
Thanks Jon. I would like a small form factor and SSD for rock solid reliability. What do you guys think about these Mini-Boxes, I believe some people are familiar: http://www.mini-box.com/Mini-Box-M300 Igor On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Dave wrote: > I would agree with Eric, I have used Ad

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 23:27 -0500, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip > I am beginning to feel a need to have a PC/server, to run Linux, that > would be extremely reliable and long lasting. ... snip I am not an expert, but ... I agree with other comments about how equipment is marketed has nothing to do

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable Keyboard/Mouse. was: Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Kingsbury
> Frank Tkalcevic wrote: > >> Keyboards and mice are another issue. These need to be protected and > kept > >> clean. > >> > > > > So what do people use for keyboard/mouse? > I got one of these flexible silicone keyboards for $10. You need to put it on a solid, flat surface and you don't want to u

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable Keyboard/Mouse. was: Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Frank Tkalcevic wrote: >> Keyboards and mice are another issue. These need to be protected and kept >> clean. >> > > So what do people use for keyboard/mouse? > > The other day I was jogging the Z axis down and a bit of swarf caused the > key to stick down. Luckily, the limit switch saved me.

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Dave
Just a thought, but Jetway sells a 12 volt DC supply Mini Itx motherboard that has an onboard PS. If you fed that with a small linear power supply (which are low voltage, low tech, and extremely reliable) perhaps you can avoid the crappy PC power supply situation that way? Industrial linear po

Re: [Emc-users] the Intel D510MO problem (and an apology to, Don Stanley, et al.)

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Don Stanley wrote: > Even after that they produced a chip > computer that reportedly knocked the socks off the stuff coming out of > Silicon > Valley. But it was too late. I understand the buyer of the bankrupt DEC > shelved > the chip. it must be the DEC Alpha you are referring to. It was a VERY

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: > I apologize in advance that this is somewhat off topic. > > I am beginning to feel a need to have a PC/server, to run Linux, that > would be extremely reliable and long lasting. > > I would use it for > > 1) Holding a personal CVS repository > 2) Running a nameserver > 3) SSH p

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Dave
I would agree with Eric, I have used Advantech computers and I think their biggest plus is form factor and convenience for industrial applications. I think Advantech's reliability is less than good server hardware but probably not better than standard commercial grade PCs. I have worked with a

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
OK, thanks for saving my A$$ and giving me your first hand user experience. I will look for something else. Which is kind of sad really. How hard is it to put together a fanless system that consumes at most 20 watts and has a reliable power supply? i On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Eric Keller

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Eric Keller
Just to be more clear than I was in my previous post, if that Advantech works out of the box, which is not guaranteed, I wouldn't expect it to work problem-free for 5 years. Out of over 20 computers I have bought from them, I don't think any of them have worked that long without becoming flaky. I

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Eric Keller
I have wished I could buy a reliable computer for work projects. I find that industrial computers are not any more long-lived than commercial computers. Additionally, I have had some bad experiences with the level of support, particularly bios support is non-existent and they are poorly tested be

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Igor Chudov
Supermicros are great. I have a 5 1/2 year old Supermicro based server from Thinkmate that I keep colocated at my ISP. The hard drive is showing errors (as they are all wont to do), but the box itself is great. I will soon take it home for a refit with a new HD and SSD and Ubuntu 10.04 (It runs F

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Dave
What seems to kill PCs these days are bad capacitors and bad power supplies. Hard drives simply wear out after a while. A SSD with wear leveling gets rid of that problem. Server grade hardware seems to last a long time - SuperMicro boards in particular seem very well built.I sold a custom

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable Keyboard/Mouse. was: Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread James Louis
To All, There is a non-qwerty keyboard (like most CNC keyboards) called the OIX 5072-P Description: Sealed NEMA 4X Industrial Keyboard with Wide-Spaced Keys for Gloved Hands, PS/2, Black >From http://www.cyberresearch.com It is not cheap, but it is bullet-proof. Cheers, Jim -Original Messa

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Jim Fleig CNC Services
Any links for opportunities to purchase the screens that are used on saws? Jim -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:58 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Suitable touchscreen? Caner wrote: >

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Gary P. Fiber
Go to www.mini-box.com they have lots of 12 V DC power supplies for the Mini-ITX main boards. Gary Fiber K8IZ -- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps & games for th

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Sven Wesley
2010/10/22 Igor Chudov > I apologize in advance that this is somewhat off topic. > > I am beginning to feel a need to have a PC/server, to run Linux, that > would be extremely reliable and long lasting. > > ... > > > Our labs at work consists of nothing but hardware made for difficult environmen

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable Keyboard/Mouse. was: Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Pugh
On 22 October 2010 07:13, Frank Tkalcevic wrote: > So what do people use for keyboard/mouse? >From eBay, one of these stainless-steel vandal-proof ones: http://www.devlin.co.uk/keyboards/kiosks.html If you go the same route, make sure you get one with a CTRL key, mine lacks that and it is a bit

Re: [Emc-users] 7i43 or 5i20

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Pugh
On 22 October 2010 06:41, Andy Ibbotson wrote: > I am planning to move to MESA cards to drive my mill.  AT present I'm trying > to decide between the 7i43 (parallel) or the 5i20 (PCI).  Platform will be > Intel D510MO motherboard coupled with a 32Gb solid state disk. It is probable that the 7i

Re: [Emc-users] OT ultra-reliable, long life PC

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Pugh
> The objective here is low power, cool temperature, and absence of any > rotating parts. Sounds a bit like my EMC2 machine, (Intel D510MO), I have that running from SSD with passive cooling and a PicoPSU. Finding a suitably reliable 12V supply might be the tricky part. Alternatively a second-han

Re: [Emc-users] Suitable touchscreen?

2010-10-22 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:23:33 +0300, you wrote: >Which is the best choice of touchscreen for industrial usage? >There are several kinds of vandal-proof, water-proof, dust-proof SAW >screens, also different which technology is more useful such as surface >acoustic wave, resistive or infrared? Read