Re: [Emc-users] encoder component in counter mode velocity stability issues

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
Scott Hasse wrote: > As a follow-up I had a chance to look at my frequency signal with a digital > scope and found that it was indeed unstable to the tune of 20%. Well, when nothing makes sense, it is always best to start at the beginning, and make sure the input to the first component is good bef

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
Kasey Matejcek wrote: > Found that the a,b signal were hook up backward it help a lot > Still not smooth but operates close need more tunning now that it works > OK, great! That's what I should have suggested a while ago, took me a bit to think this could be the problem. Jon ---

Re: [Emc-users] encoder component in counter mode velocity stability issues

2012-07-11 Thread Scott Hasse
As a follow-up I had a chance to look at my frequency signal with a digital scope and found that it was indeed unstable to the tune of 20%. I had not expected that as I used an LM331 chip with seemingly appropriate components. Hooking a real function generator to the input worked great, with the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Jon Elson wrote: > > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:37:03 -0500 >> From: Jon Elson >> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp >> >> K

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Kasey Matejcek
Found that the a,b signal were hook up backward it help a lot Still not smooth but operates close need more tunning now that it works -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:37 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 July 2012 14:16:21 Peter C. Wallace did opine: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Jon Elson wrote: > > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:37:03 -0500 > > From: Jon Elson > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Jon Elson wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:37:03 -0500 > From: Jon Elson > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp > > Kasey Matejcek wrote: >> Yes the ppmc.0

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 July 2012 13:34:18 Jon Elson did opine: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Yikes Jon. I have mine set for only 500hz, higher obviously limits the > > resolution of the control, at least in my system. I tried 10khz once > > but found I only had about 4 or 5 steps from creep to wide open due

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
Kasey Matejcek wrote: > Yes the ppmc.0.pwm.00-03.freq 5 > After playing some time I've come up with this it responds from 2 rpm to 14 > rpm when you set s this give and accual spindle speed from about 35 to 75 > rpm > But there is no to little control if load is applied to the spindle > As soo

Re: [Emc-users] spindle drive

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: > > The LinuxCNC "bldc" component understands the Fanuc "red cap" > commutation scheme, though, and can convert it to suit drives with a > different feedback requirement (synthetic Hall signals, for example) > This is only true for the first-generation pulse coders, the later on

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > Yikes Jon. I have mine set for only 500hz, higher obviously limits the > resolution of the control, at least in my system. I tried 10khz once but > found I only had about 4 or 5 steps from creep to wide open due to the loss > in base thread counts per output hz. > Oh, y

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Kasey Matejcek
I've done as little as .0001 -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:15 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp On 11 July 2012 13:07, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > But there is n

Re: [Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 16:10, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > hardware stepgen maxaccel should be set to about 20% greater than > motions maxaccel In that case the answer is probably to add a STEPGEN_MAXACCEL number in the INI file and alter the HAL file to look at that instead. (And to set that number 20% h

Re: [Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread Peter C. Wallace
snip-- >I would be tempted to set the stepgen maxaccel to 0 (n the HAL, not >the INI!) , and let the trajectory planner handle accelleration. >-- >atp >If you can't fix it, you don't own it. >http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto Unless y

Re: [Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 15:29, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > Second of all, I am surprised to see MIN_VELOCITY parameter. ... > BTW placing all those velocity and acceleration parameters in [TRAJ] > section, where they belong, would make the file easier to read for > others. You somehow have them in Display s

[Emc-users] Revisiting Tuning low resolution axis

2012-07-11 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Hi all, I have been managing with a work-around, but am now getting back to this. I am working from the below response from Dewey from a few months back. It looks to me from the below response that encoder_scale maps to INPUT_SCALE and amplifier_scale to OUTPUT_SCALE under the axis parameters in

Re: [Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread Lester Caine
Hugh Wylie wrote: > However, changing to teleop (world) mode always give rise to Y and/or A > joint drive racking, and after much experimentation with .ini and .hal > parameter adjustment, we have observed what appears to be the cause of this > racking. Although it occurs more frequently at higher

Re: [Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
First of all, edit Your INI file and set A joint from angular to linear, because that joint _is_ linear. And then try again. Second of all, I am surprised to see MIN_VELOCITY parameter. Try to set it at 0, maybe that has something to do with very low accelerations, when the actual speed during acce

[Emc-users] Teleop (world mode) gantry anomalies

2012-07-11 Thread Hugh Wylie
Has anyone experienced the issues which we are experiencing on a robustly-designed gantry comprising the Y-axis of a large-bed CNC router (size 2.75 x 1.83m bed)? The system runs LinuxCNC 2.5 on Core 2 Duo platform equipped with Mesa 5i23 (firmware SVST4_8) controlling the four stepper motors (

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 July 2012 10:02:09 andy pugh did opine: > On 11 July 2012 14:03, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The screw I assume was a long stock > > sized allen socket setscrew with the newer, smaller thread cut on the > > end? > > Indeed. > > > Having toured the lumber yards and tractor supply loc

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 14:03, Gene Heskett wrote: > The screw I assume was a long stock > sized allen socket setscrew with the newer, smaller thread cut on the end? Indeed. > Having toured the lumber yards and tractor supply locally, that is > something I'd have to get from amazon or ?? I think I got

[Emc-users] Probably not the right list, but...

2012-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
I subbed to the rtai list a week ago in hopes I might glean some info on the current status of rtai. A few terse messages went by this morning advising that it is working on the 2.6.38.8 kernels now, with something called vulcano and their patch. The 2.6.38.8 kernel, with the bfs 0.416 patch is

Re: [Emc-users] spindle drive

2012-07-11 Thread Gabriel Willen
Yes sorry I was assuming he already had the machine and the drive went bad, he was looking for an alternative. If this If this is the case all of the wires brought to the existing drive are flying lead, so the encoder pulse wire is already there. I have repaired several of the existing drives. Th

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 July 2012 07:42:56 andy pugh did opine: > On 11 July 2012 02:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And that seems to have worked, for this particular final size. Is > > there any way to effectively predict which will give the correct > > result > > One function rounds up, and one rounds d

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 13:07, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > But there is no to little control if load is applied to the spindle > As soon as any p,I,g are added then it unstable surging up and down How much Igain are you adding? I would expect it to need to be no higher than 0.05 and I would probably start a

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread Kasey Matejcek
Yes the ppmc.0.pwm.00-03.freq 5 After playing some time I've come up with this it responds from 2 rpm to 14 rpm when you set s this give and accual spindle speed from about 35 to 75 rpm But there is no to little control if load is applied to the spindle As soon as any p,I,g are added then it u

Re: [Emc-users] spindle drive

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 12:22, Gabriel Willen wrote: > I would think most industrial vfd's would work in conjunction with a mesa > card that has +- 10V. I think that Fanuc motors are AC synchronous (brushless permanent magnet) so need a closed-loop drive. The LinuxCNC "bldc" component understands the Fa

Re: [Emc-users] Absolute linear encoders

2012-07-11 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
There are grey scale absolute rotary encoders that are fairly cheap. I think those would be a better test than linears since you have to handle the wrap around accumulation. It would be a simple case to use a linear encoder if the rotary worked. Stephen --

Re: [Emc-users] spindle drive

2012-07-11 Thread Gabriel Willen
I would think most industrial vfd's would work in conjunction with a mesa card that has +- 10V. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM, wrote: > hi > is there proven spindle drive for fanuc spindle motor? > machine is working good but in case of problem i think it will be > better replace whole old fan

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-11 Thread Steve Stallings
Finding a quality spindle that is not designed for collets or other interchangeable tool holders is difficult. Usually these are custom items. You might try: http://www.ekstromcarlson.com/index.cfm/category/2/motors.cfm http://www.pdscolombo.com/info_contact.php Regards, Steve Stallings >

Re: [Emc-users] Urgent need for spindle motors

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 06:58, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > Can anyone suggest any other manufacturer of compact, square AC > induction motor, besides Elte? > I am trying to find something on google, but obviously the selection > of keywords is not my strength as I do not get anything useful. I don't think y

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle hooked to dc servo amp

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 04:06, Kasey Matejcek wrote: > It set to 1000 > setp ppmc.0.pwm.03.scale 1000 There goes that idea then. > when you watch ppmc.0.pwm.03.value it changes from 1000 to -1000 and back > and forth it goes > when I set s 50 rpm then after some time ppmc.0.pwm.03.value goes to like 50

Re: [Emc-users] Problem I can't see

2012-07-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 July 2012 02:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > And that seems to have worked, for this particular final size. Is there > any way to effectively predict which will give the correct result One function rounds up, and one rounds down, so which is correct depends on the calculation being performed. (