Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Chris Albertson
Wow, 3 meters! Another way I've seen is to use a cable. There are pulleys at each end and the cable forms a loop. In the simplest design a motor powers on of the pulleys. The cable takes the price of a long timing belt. I've seen kevlar cord used for a cord and some steel cable also. In th

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/20/2019 03:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: The only way I can be assured that a 3/4" shank of a TTS tool holder will not slip, rotating in the R8, is if I put an 8 point 5/16" socket in a 20 volt rattle wrench, and let it rattle for most of a second, And, that's why I don't use the TTS system

Re: [Emc-users] milling tool life, or lack thereof.

2019-04-20 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Gene I used the Machinist toolbox to figure out what sort of speed and feed I needed but ended up running the mill faster (thought I'd read it should be 3000 but it was supposed to be 2000). Typo error. OK. So tool bit 0.09375. Two flutes. HSS. Chip load 0.00551. Aluminium bar. SFM set at

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 20 April 2019 21:18:52 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > Why not use a 6 point 10mm impact socket? Its a square headed bolt? :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershe

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Why not use a 6 point 10mm impact socket? https://www.grainger.com/category/tools/ratchets-and-sockets/impact-sockets-and-bits/impact-sockets?attrs=Size%7C10mm&filters=attrs On Saturday, April 20, 2019, 2:33:55 PM MDT, Gene Heskett wrote: The only way I can be assured that a 3/4" shank of a

[Emc-users] milling tool life, or lack thereof.

2019-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; Having discovered the settings that control the low frequency boost in this VFD, and having rigged a pretty dry misting arrangement, I figured it was as good a time as any to cut the end panels of the box that has the interface cards in it. These panels are about .035" thick, an

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 20 April 2019 16:44:29 andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 21:27, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > > I plan to use some chinese rack and pinions (MOD 2 with 30 teeth > > pinions rotating at a max speed of 200 RPM) for the obvious reason > > of the budget. But I can get hardened and

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 23:39, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > I miss the select and reply feature I had until a couple of years. Yes, I was annoyed when they removed that. > Do you think two 2.4 Nm motors with almost non reduction can handle the > inertia the 250 kg gantry will generate? Possibly

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
> > If you click the three dots that appear at the bottom of the reply > then you can edit, post inline, copy between messages etc > (I use Gmail pretty much exclusively) Ok, I just had to copy and set the copied text as "quote" because I can't do it the easy way as you sugest Andy. I miss the se

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 22:03, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > I'll try to answer both messages into one because I lack the quoting > function here in gmail. If you click the three dots that appear at the bottom of the reply then you can edit, post inline, copy between messages etc (I use Gmail prett

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Thanks Andy and Chris for your quick response. I'll try to answer both messages into one because I lack the quoting function here in gmail. I plan to reduce the servos of the Y axis about 10 to 1 at least. I would love to use timing belts and pulleys but I preffer to avoid all the trouble of maki

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Chris Albertson
backlash is a big deal. Maybe not so much with wood routing as maybe you don't care about 0.1 mm error.But think about a how a backlash in the 10:1 reduction translated to linear motion. Every time the servo motor changes direction the cutter stops moving until the backlash in the system is

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 21:27, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > I plan to use some chinese rack and pinions (MOD 2 with 30 teeth pinions > rotating at a max speed of 200 RPM) for the obvious reason of the budget. > But I can get hardened and ground rack and pinions so I think that sounds > pretty good.

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 20 April 2019 12:20:53 Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/19/2019 09:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I'm doing that now, for big ER's in that sheldon, but I > > had the G0704 spindle in mind, I've developed an abiding > > hate for R8's and their tool slippage. > > Hmmm, I've never had tool slippa

[Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-20 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello to all again! I'm defining my router design after some months of inactivity. I already defined my steel frame and purchased the iron to start building it. The idea is to use the router mainly for wood and melamine boards. Eventually I may use it for aluminum but that's not the main purpose o

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/19/2019 09:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: I'm doing that now, for big ER's in that sheldon, but I had the G0704 spindle in mind, I've developed an abiding hate for R8's and their tool slippage. Hmmm, I've never had tool slippage with R8 end mill holders. I HAVE had slippage on a few occasion

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Gene, Mines a different colour with a House Of Tools label but has a single phase 2HP motor and is good to about 2950 RPM. It has an intermediate pulley and two belts. I don't think it should be as noisy as it is. https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Vertical-Mill/G3616 > The point is

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: Re: ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 11:47, Roland Jollivet wrote: > > I don't think either of us needed to model anything: > > > > > > https://ch.rego-fix.com/en/productfinder?system_name[0]=ER&product_type[0]=toolholders&product_category_name[0]=Collet%20reductions > Ok. Looks like a ball-ache to get a pric

[Emc-users] Fwd: Re: ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Roland Jollivet
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 11:38, andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 02:18, Roland Jollivet > wrote: > > > > > https://a360.co/2ve9NIS > > > > > > > > That's basically what I drew the first time around... > > > > https://ibb.co/dpwVLkB > > I don't think either of us needed to model anything:

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: Re: ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 02:18, Roland Jollivet wrote: > > > https://a360.co/2ve9NIS > > > > > That's basically what I drew the first time around... > > https://ibb.co/dpwVLkB I don't think either of us needed to model anything: https://ch.rego-fix.com/en/productfinder?system_name[0]=ER&product_ty

Re: [Emc-users] ER ATC tool idea

2019-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 20 April 2019 00:10:13 John Dammeyer wrote: > I've been using the Tormach TT type tooling. So far the R8 tool > holder hasn't slipped. I really like the fact that I can insert the > tooling without screwing around with the R8. Some of the R8's are > really tight in my spindle. Othe