Re: [Emc-users] just call me grumpy! (7i43)

2020-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 15 February 2020 21:46:38 Jon Elson wrote: > On 02/15/2020 02:45 PM, dave engvall wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > A quick look at web sources seems to indicate that the EPP > > on some motherboards simply doesn't work. > > > > In my case I'm having problems with a 7i43 -5i33. > > > > Has

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Bari
On 2/15/20 12:20 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: And you? You think that doing things the same old way is better? Steam engine driving machines with pulley transmission in your work shop? When I was little, we had to pull the weeds by bare hands on a small farm. Our family would prefer doing it

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Phill Carter
> On 16 Feb 2020, at 2:08 pm, John Dammeyer wrote: > > It is for a plasma cutter configuration, stepper motors for the axes and LinuxCNC doing the torch height control. >>> Totally get that. Wouldn't want a tool like I'm proposing on a 3D printer >> either. >>> John >>

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> >> > >> It is for a plasma cutter configuration, stepper motors for the axes and > >> LinuxCNC doing the torch height control. > >> > > Totally get that. Wouldn't want a tool like I'm proposing on a 3D printer > either. > > John > > This is just one instance where LinuxCNC with it's

Re: [Emc-users] just call me grumpy! (7i43)

2020-02-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/15/2020 02:45 PM, dave engvall wrote: Hi all, A quick look at web sources seems to indicate that the EPP on some motherboards simply doesn't work. In my case I'm having problems with a 7i43 -5i33. Has anyone gotten the 7i43/5i33 to work with a D525 intel board? If so would you

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Phill Carter
> On 16 Feb 2020, at 1:18 pm, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Phill Carter [mailto:phillcarte...@gmail.com] >> Sent: February-15-20 6:04 PM >> To: linuxcnc-users >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture >> >>> I understand that if you are

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Phill Carter [mailto:phillcarte...@gmail.com] > Sent: February-15-20 6:04 PM > To: linuxcnc-users > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture > > > I understand that if you are using a +/-10V with encoder feedback directly > back into LinuxCNC

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Phill Carter
> I understand that if you are using a +/-10V with encoder feedback directly > back into LinuxCNC that this concept would not work for you. But since you > say you need LinuxCNC can you tell us what you do have? > > How is your LinuxCNC connected to your milling machine lead (ball?) screws >

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Phill Carter [mailto:phillcarte...@gmail.com] > Sent: February-15-20 5:25 PM > To: linuxcnc-users > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture > > > > > On 16 Feb 2020, at 11:14 am, John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > But let me ask a question. If

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 15 February 2020 15:07:11 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Rafael, > > If you think an embedded system would be the best and used more than > any other then - Feel free to do it and release it. Make your newer > and better truly newer and better. That is the beauty and hindrance of >

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture - open source complexity

2020-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 15 February 2020 15:07:00 Les Newell wrote: [...] We pretty muh agree to here, Les. > > So open source is truly open source but I'll bet 95% of the members > > on this forum haven't a clue what Gene or Thomas means when they > > post how they are rebuilding the kernel for a

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Phill Carter
> On 16 Feb 2020, at 11:14 am, John Dammeyer wrote: > But let me ask a question. If you buy a Break Out Board with an LCD display > large enough to show 5 Axis DRO, Spindle Speed and Feed rate. And it has > buttons that let you do what my Lathe ELS does for jogging and using the MPG >

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> > And that is the misconception voiced all the time by frequent users of > > CNC systems. Perhaps you remember how to do all that stuff. I don't. > > So CNC is a leap harder to learn. > > If as you say you use the machine that seldom then even using the ELS is > probably a re-learning curve. I

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture - open source complexity

2020-02-15 Thread Les Newell
If it were true then Universities and schools wouldn't exist. After all everything taught in school is a "Google search away". There are a lot of extremely knowledgeable people out there with little formal education. Universities and schools  are not the only way to learn. They make

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Les Newell
But having used both but with sometimes 6 to 8 months or even a year between uses, I can tell you that a slightly automated manual lathe with an ELS is a leap forward in ease of use compared to booting up a PC, running the CNC application and then trying to remember what G-Code/M-Code did

Re: [Emc-users] just call me grumpy! (7i43)

2020-02-15 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020, dave engvall wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:45:26 -0800 From: dave engvall Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: [Emc-users] just call me grumpy! (7i43) Hi all, A quick look at web sources seems to indicate

[Emc-users] just call me grumpy! (7i43)

2020-02-15 Thread dave engvall
Hi all, A quick look at web sources seems to indicate that the EPP on some motherboards simply doesn't  work. In my case I'm having problems with a 7i43 -5i33. Has anyone gotten the 7i43/5i33 to work with a D525 intel board? If so would you please share the magic incantations necessary. A

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture - open source complexity

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> If you really want to know the information is a Google search away. If > you put in the time to learn this stuff you will end up knowing how to > do it. Gene is not an experienced Linux kernel developer. He started off > knowing little about what was needed but was willing to put in the time >

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
> > When I designed the E-Leadscrew Electronic Lead Screw controller the > feedback from the non-CNC people was that they wanted something more > than just electronic gearing (now commonly also called an ELS) but not > something as extensive as full CNC. > I am afraid I never really understood

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture - open source complexity

2020-02-15 Thread Les Newell
What exactly is open source? In a way it's LinuxCNC but only a few guru's really understand what is happening under the covers because it's so incredibly powerful.The MESA cards can be modified since much of the FPGA information is published. But unlike MACH3 where a simple checkbox

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Rafael, If you think an embedded system would be the best and used more than any other then - Feel free to do it and release it. Make your newer and better truly newer and better. That is the beauty and hindrance of LinuxCNC. It is open to whatever YOU want to do with it. If you want to take

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Les Newell
Yes, you do need a special PC. This means a PC you use for Linux CNC and not the one already on your desk. Why would I want to run them from my main desktop machine? My CNC machines are out in the workshop where they belong. They are big, dirty, smelly and noisy. I don't want them in them

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture --> steam engine no, pyrolis yes, OT!

2020-02-15 Thread N
> And you? You think that doing things the same old way is better? Steam > engine driving machines with pulley transmission in your work shop? As I understand it steam engine does not have the best efficiency, pyrolysis and compression ignition is probably better, maybe some steam in a

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture --> printer driver postscript <-> g-code

2020-02-15 Thread N
Printers talk postscript while CNC machines talk g-code, well not always but quite often. > As an example look at the two articles in December and February Circuit > Cellar Magazine by Raul Alverez-Torrico on building a 4-DOF robotic arm. > https://circuitcellar.com/ > > He uses Matlab to do

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 2020-02-15 01:05, Bari wrote: On 2/15/20 1:42 AM, David Berndt wrote: How did we get to the point where we decided that the goal is a "relatively simple embedded system"? I for one am not looking to trade off the current gui and it's features for what you describe. It seems like a lot of

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
As an example look at the two articles in December and February Circuit Cellar Magazine by Raul Alverez-Torrico on building a 4-DOF robotic arm. https://circuitcellar.com/ He uses Matlab to do the kinematics (described in the Feb issue) but uses his own serial protocol for moving each motor

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 2:56 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:43 AM Gene Heskett > wrote: > > No. You should not need to know anything. The fact that you do need to is > a sign that the technology is immature.Back when cars were a new and > immature technology

Re: [Emc-users] trying to connect a encoder from cnc spindle motor to schiender vfd

2020-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 15 February 2020 06:29:08 N wrote: > > On Friday 14 February 2020 02:01:08 andrew beck wrote: > > > Chris. I'm still learning electronics. Could you expand a bit on > > > this please. > > > > > > Maybe draw a napkin sketch of it. Sorry to be a bit slow on the > > > uptake > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] trying to connect a encoder from cnc spindle motor to schiender vfd

2020-02-15 Thread dave engvall
partial reply to Gene's comments. https://www.analog.com/media/en/reference-design-documentation/reference-designs/CN0276.pdf On 2/14/20 6:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 14 February 2020 16:30:51 Andy Pugh wrote: On 14 Feb 2020, at 20:55, Gene Heskett wrote: The coils are usually

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Also known as a TUI or Text User Interface. Often used on "graphical" menu shells for DOS. On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 1:43:23 AM MST, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 06:59, Rafael Skodlar wrote: The tiniest user interface would be possible using extended ASCII >

Re: [Emc-users] trying to connect a encoder from cnc spindle motor to schiender vfd

2020-02-15 Thread N
> On Friday 14 February 2020 02:01:08 andrew beck wrote: > > > Chris. I'm still learning electronics. Could you expand a bit on > > this please. > > > > Maybe draw a napkin sketch of it. Sorry to be a bit slow on the > > uptake > > I'm not Chris, but the word quadrature means two signals that

Re: [Emc-users] trying to connect a encoder from cnc spindle motor to schiender vfd --> (sin, cos) resolver

2020-02-15 Thread N
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:14:18 -0800 Chris Albertson wrote: > Looking at the PDF, It seems I forget to ask one question about the signal: > Is the sin/cos signal single-ended or differential? In other words is it > referenced to ground or do we get pins with labels like sin+ and sin- These

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread N
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:04:51 + Todd Zuercher wrote: > Retrofitting a CNC machine is comparable to retrofitting the drive train of > an automobile (or even just it's control systems). Doing so in a modern car > requires quite a lot more technical knowledge than doing so with a vehicle >

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 15 February 2020 01:56:44 Rafael Skodlar wrote: > On 2020-02-11 01:04, Chris Albertson wrote: > >I said people *want* to use CNC like a laser printer. Most > > setups are not that good. It is a goal and if designing a new > > system. It is good to set the bar high and try to

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Phill Carter
> On 15 Feb 2020, at 8:17 pm, Robert Murphy wrote: > > > On 15/2/20 8:05 pm, Bari wrote: >> On 2/15/20 1:42 AM, David Berndt wrote: >> >>> How did we get to the point where we decided that the goal is a >>> "relatively simple embedded system"? I for one am not looking to >>> trade off the

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Robert Murphy
On 15/2/20 8:05 pm, Bari wrote: On 2/15/20 1:42 AM, David Berndt wrote: How did we get to the point where we decided that the goal is a "relatively simple embedded system"? I for one am not looking to trade off the current gui and it's features for what you describe. It seems like a lot of

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Robert Murphy
I've seen mention of the Axis interface being "old fashioned", geesh what would happen with an extended ASCII interface ? Maybe cnc routers could be a "plug n play" usually the setups are relatively easy, materials are more or less flat sheets. When one starts to delve into milling, well that's

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread John Dammeyer
Oh I just can't resist. > -Original Message- > From: Rafael Skodlar [mailto:ra...@linwin.com] > On 2020-02-11 01:04, Chris Albertson wrote: > >I said people *want* to use CNC like a laser printer. Most setups are > > not that good. It is a goal and if designing a new system.

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread Bari
On 2/15/20 1:42 AM, David Berndt wrote: How did we get to the point where we decided that the goal is a "relatively simple embedded system"? I for one am not looking to trade off the current gui and it's features for what you describe. It seems like a lot of this thread seems to steer itself

Re: [Emc-users] Open source CNC architecture

2020-02-15 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 06:59, Rafael Skodlar wrote: The tiniest user interface would be possible using extended ASCII > characters as in old DOS. We used to play with that in old email > signatures. My fun with ASCII art in the 1990s: You might want to play around with: