Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread John Dammeyer
> On Thursday 07 May 2020 22:39:13 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Gene, > > Do you know which source code file has the G33.1 control? I'd like to > > look at how it's done. John > > > No, I haven't a clue John. Andy probably knows. > He's likely in bed by now given his time zone is 8 hours ahead o

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 22:39:13 John Dammeyer wrote: > Gene, > Do you know which source code file has the G33.1 control? I'd like to > look at how it's done. John > No, I haven't a clue John. Andy probably knows. > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.ne

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread John Dammeyer
Gene, Do you know which source code file has the G33.1 control? I'd like to look at how it's done. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: May-07-20 6:26 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fl

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Dan Henderson [mailto:luvtof...@gmail.com] > Thanks for that Jon. That helps explain this a bit further. I believe the > base period in the ini is set to 100,000. Not sure if that is nS or u > value? Can this be change to suit or is it tied to the speed of the system? Hi Dan, All of my co

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 20:53:50 Dan Henderson wrote: > I’m getting confused by the reply’s on this thread. Lol. > > Anyways, the tyco relay is rated at up to 28vdc switching voltage so > which equates to roughly 1450 rpm. I doubt I would be reversing > anywhere near that load level. I would expec

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
Thanks for that Jon. That helps explain this a bit further. I believe the base period in the ini is set to 100,000. Not sure if that is nS or u value? Can this be change to suit or is it tied to the speed of the system? On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 6:54 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > > > -Original Mess

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
I’m getting confused by the reply’s on this thread. Lol. Anyways, the tyco relay is rated at up to 28vdc switching voltage so which equates to roughly 1450 rpm. I doubt I would be reversing anywhere near that load level. I would expect the reverse would occur at near zero rpm —assuming a G33.1 ope

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread James Isaac
Thank you, Gene. Got it. Looks like I have to take the Python book from the top of the shelf, and put it lower. Firefox is my standard, so the lack of Internet Explorer is no hardship. Reading this Wiki puts my buying a VFD back by some reading time. James Isaac. __

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 19:43:20 Dan Henderson wrote: > I should have mentioned, I’m in the process of building a reverse > polarity circuit to trip polarity by issuing a CCW M4 via a 5v output. > My motor controller doesn’t natively support CCW. > > I entered the code and it made it all the way d

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 19:33:49 Dan Henderson wrote: > Thanks Gene! I can go down to 48 PPR on the encoder. If I do so, what > is the trade off for reducing resolution on my mill project? Is that > enough to successfully use rigid tapping and synchronized feed/speeds? If the spindle speed is ste

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Dan Henderson [mailto:luvtof...@gmail.com] > Sent: May-07-20 2:40 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder > > Why certainly Gene (see attached). I actually have it working a little > better

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
I should have mentioned, I’m in the process of building a reverse polarity circuit to trip polarity by issuing a CCW M4 via a 5v output. My motor controller doesn’t natively support CCW. I entered the code and it made it all the way down until the spindle stopped. No reverse so it stayed there.

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
Thanks Jon. My max jog speed is 54 IPM so I should be good to give that a try. Thanks for the test code! On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 6:16 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > > Sent: May-07-20 3:54 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Con

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
Thanks Gene! I can go down to 48 PPR on the encoder. If I do so, what is the trade off for reducing resolution on my mill project? Is that enough to successfully use rigid tapping and synchronized feed/speeds? On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 5:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 07 May 2020 17:39:32

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: May-07-20 3:54 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 > encoder > > On 05/07/2020 12:23 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: > > Is there a

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/07/2020 12:23 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: Is there a simple test code I can run to confirm ridged tapping is working or even the feed rate is synchronized to the encoder feedback? Without, spindle-at-speed enabled I’ve no way to visually confirm this. Just try these lines and see what it doe

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 17:39:32 Dan Henderson wrote: > Why certainly Gene (see attached). I actually have it working a little > better now. My spindle-at-speed LED will start going bonkers around > 1200 rpm. I'm guessing this is when the counter "throws up it's hands > and says - I quit!" lol. Th

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
Why certainly Gene (see attached). I actually have it working a little better now. My spindle-at-speed LED will start going bonkers around 1200 rpm. I'm guessing this is when the counter "throws up it's hands and says - I quit!" lol. The spindle will operate all the way to around 4700 rpm but anyth

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 13:19:23 Dan Henderson wrote: > I believe this is open loop. Isn’t PID only used in closed loop > control? > Its (the PID is) a waste of processor time if open loop. I don't use one of those in any spindle run by a vfd, the vfd is generally stiff enough control by itself.

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/07/2020 12:19 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: I believe this is open loop. Isn’t PID only used in closed loop control? Oh, so the situation with and without spindle-at-speed were BOTH open loop? That is totally different, then, and now I have no idea what is going on. But, checking all signal

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread tom-emc
Try “Linuxcnc rockhopper” -Tom > On May 7, 2020, at 12:27 PM, James Isaac wrote: > > Hello Gene. > > A while back, you said: >> In rare cases you may have to survey the running >> system with "rockhopper", (google for it, pain in the butt to use but >> its also very very good at what it does, w

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
Is there a simple test code I can run to confirm ridged tapping is working or even the feed rate is synchronized to the encoder feedback? Without, spindle-at-speed enabled I’ve no way to visually confirm this. Or at least I don’t know how. Lol On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:18 PM Gene Heskett wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Dan Henderson
I believe this is open loop. Isn’t PID only used in closed loop control? On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:03 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 07 May 2020 11:27:57 Jon Elson wrote: > > > On 05/06/2020 09:20 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: > > > I’ve confirmed the fluctuation occurs when spindle-at-speed is

Re: [Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 12:27:39 James Isaac wrote: > Hello Gene. > > A while back, you said: > > In rare cases you may have to survey the running > > system with "rockhopper", (google for it, pain in the butt to use > > but its also very very good at what it does, which is to graphicly > > trace

[Emc-users] Sourced from: Re: Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread James Isaac
Hello Gene. A while back, you said: > In rare cases you may have to survey the running > system with "rockhopper", (google for it, pain in the butt to use but > its also very very good at what it does, which is to graphicly trace > every active signal in a system.) >From your description of the t

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2020 11:27:57 Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/06/2020 09:20 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: > > I’ve confirmed the fluctuation occurs when spindle-at-speed is > > configured. When I remove this feature, the spindle rpm appears to > > stabilize. It’s almost like it gets caught in a loop trying

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/06/2020 09:20 PM, Dan Henderson wrote: I’ve confirmed the fluctuation occurs when spindle-at-speed is configured. When I remove this feature, the spindle rpm appears to stabilize. It’s almost like it gets caught in a loop trying to chase its tail. This is VERY common in servo systems, and

Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 40

2020-05-07 Thread Fateh Singh Monder via Emc-users
Very good read.  Thanks. Fateh On Thursday, 7 May, 2020, 5:45:55 pm IST, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Send Emc-users mailing list submissions to     emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     https

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 7i73 keypad question/issue

2020-05-07 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello Peter, Sorry for the late reply. Today I executed the commands as you did and it worked perfectly. All keys showed false and now the keyboard is working fine. I really don't know what could've been. Probably my head not working ok because I'm still trying to get my sleep right after all the

Re: [Emc-users] Fluctuating RPM using CUI ATM 10 encoder

2020-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 06 May 2020 23:30:19 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 06 May 2020 22:20:12 Dan Henderson wrote: > > I’ve confirmed the fluctuation occurs when spindle-at-speed is > > configured. When I remove this feature, the spindle rpm appears to > > stabilize. It’s almost like it gets caught in