Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do wonder how accurate the positioning is for a 50 foot table and how repeatable the positioning would be after a long move. That would still be one impressive machine. Well, this machine was supposed to have a 50 foot glass scale. Depending on the architecture of

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-03 Thread RogerN
its own feedback. - Original Message - From: Kirk Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO input On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 15:05 -0500, John Kasunich wrote: I

Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users DRO input?

2008-02-02 Thread John Thornton
Kirk, That's not my website on the DRO's I just built a couple from there and they work well. John On 1 Feb 2008 at 16:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a nice setup DRO system and website you have. I was fishing for a reason to have a serial micrometer connected to EMC for a reason other

[Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-02 Thread davenull
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Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-02 Thread John Thornton
I just wonder why you want to put such a nice DRO on a worn out old manual mill that needs the ways scraped and the screws are worn out? You will not be able to make an accurate part to the abilities of your DRO if the table won't stay where you put it and your Z is always changing because

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-02 Thread Jeff Epler
drivers are free to (and probably should) keep encoder counts in 'long long's. This way, the exported count may wrap at 2^31-1 (limit of signed 32-bit ints) but the exported position can continue to increase to 2^63-1 counts. Jeff

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-02 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i/ I guess this is going to come down to a philosophical choice, do you pursue the DRO first, or the EMC + NC first? vi vs emacs anyone? If you are going to the trouble and expense of embarking on one of these paths, then the CNC path is the most reward for your

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-02 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: I just wonder why you want to put such a nice DRO on a worn out old manual mill that needs the ways scraped and the screws are worn out? Hate to argue, but the differential wear in the screws makes it totally impossible to make anything with better than 1/8 accuracy

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-02 Thread John Kasunich
Jon Elson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i/ I guess this is going to come down to a philosophical choice, do you pursue the DRO first, or the EMC + NC first? vi vs emacs anyone? If you are going to the trouble and expense of embarking on one of these paths, then the CNC path is the most

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-02 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 15:05 -0500, John Kasunich wrote: Jon Elson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i/ I guess this is going to come down to a philosophical choice, do you pursue the DRO first, or the EMC + NC first? vi vs emacs anyone? If you are going to the trouble and expense of

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input

2008-02-02 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 11:57 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... snip a/ DRO (with pukka glass scales) is a huge boon to any manual mill. Agreed. I write all my way-points with a sharpie on the vise or table before hand so, I don't know what I would do without a DRO of some sort. b/ A DRO could

Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input?

2008-02-01 Thread davenull
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:36:51 -0800 From: Dave Engvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO input? Hi Dave, It all depends on what you want to do. If you just want manual position then the glass scales will do your job. However, if you ever intend to control

Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input?

2008-02-01 Thread Chris Morley
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:07:32 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input? Message: 9 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:36:51 -0800 From: Dave Engvall Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO input? Hi Dave, It all depends on what you want

Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users DRO input?

2008-02-01 Thread John Thornton
That is how my DRO's work that I built for my mill and lathe. http://www.shumatech.com/ John On 31 Jan 2008 at 18:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thought, is there any value in having an RS-232 connection with serial calipers or micrometers?

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-01 Thread John Thornton
That would depend on the accuracy of your scales... .4 precision (.001mm)is not cheap... In my case mine are not nearly that accurate... I guess it depends on how much accuracy is needed and the future of the machine. EMC does have screw mapping... John On 1 Feb 2008 at 4:04, [EMAIL

Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users DRO input?

2008-02-01 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 06:03 -0600, John Thornton wrote: That is how my DRO's work that I built for my mill and lathe. http://www.shumatech.com/ John On 31 Jan 2008 at 18:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thought, is there any value in having an RS-232 connection with serial

Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input?

2008-02-01 Thread Jon Elson
RogerN wrote: Would it be difficult to update the actual position with the position from the linear encoders? The DRO position would just stomp on the actual position. Hopefully most of the time the error would be small and it would require real time DRO position... or perhaps only assign

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-01 Thread jcombs
Yep! Wilson machine bought a 50' x 4' CMM at a Boeing auction. Got it cheap and spent a million moving it and getting it set up again. And that was only a few miles. Holy COW! a 50 FOOT CMM? There must only be 2 or 3 in the entire US that big. (I can understand why Boeing would need such a

Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input?

2008-02-01 Thread Anders Blix
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:07:32 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO Input? Message: 9 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:36:51 -0800 From: Dave Engvall Subject: Re: [Emc-users] DRO input? Hi Dave

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-02-01 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep! Wilson machine bought a 50' x 4' CMM at a Boeing auction. Got it cheap and spent a million moving it and getting it set up again. And that was only a few miles. Holy COW! a 50 FOOT CMM? There must only be 2 or 3 in the entire US that big. (I can understand why

[Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread davenull
Sorry, haven't RTFM, downloading as I type. I'm considering buying a Far Eastern made 3 axis DRO for my Pinnacle universal mill, DRO + 3 glass scales (to 1/5thou) and all cabling etc etc for under 400 UK Pounds. This DRO has an RS232 output. So, does EMC have the facility to take absolute X Y Z

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Jeff Epler
emc2 doesn't include any serial protocol drivers. You would have to write the driver to do this yourself. The most important thing to know is that emc2 requires a new feedback position at the servo rate (typically 1ms) and emc (not external hardware) has to control when the feedback position is

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, haven't RTFM, downloading as I type. I'm considering buying a Far Eastern made 3 axis DRO for my Pinnacle universal mill, DRO + 3 glass scales (to 1/5thou) and all cabling etc etc for under 400 UK Pounds. This DRO has an RS232 output. So, does EMC have

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 11:04 -0600, Jeff Epler wrote: emc2 doesn't include any serial protocol drivers. You would have to write the driver to do this yourself. The most important thing to know is that emc2 requires a new feedback position at the servo rate (typically 1ms) and emc (not

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:54 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip In thinking about scales again, one thought that came to mind is, EMC might make a good CMM (manual or powered). But I guess the real magic is in the granite slides, though errors could be mapped out. Which brings me back to the

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Dave Engvall
Hi Dave, It all depends on what you want to do. If you just want manual position then the glass scales will do your job. However, if you ever intend to control the axes then encoders mounted on the end of the ball screws would be my choice. USdigital or Automation Direct (Koyo) encoders

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:54 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip In thinking about scales again, one thought that came to mind is, EMC might make a good CMM (manual or powered). But I guess the real magic is in the granite slides, though errors could be mapped out. Which

Re: [Emc-users] DRO input?

2008-01-31 Thread Dave Engvall
On Jan 31, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:54 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip In thinking about scales again, one thought that came to mind is, EMC might make a good CMM (manual or powered). But I guess the real magic is in the