Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-16 Thread charles green
viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 5:28 AM 2012/5/15 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: i dont see why to care what

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/14 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: well, there's your spline form right there in the video.  screen capture.   the eliptical bearing is nice, but you can get away with a diametrically opposed pair of rollers for that function. No, diametrically opposed rollers is bad idea. Rollers

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2012 07:29, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: If I cannot get the flexible bearings, then there is option of eccentric discs as a wave generator. You could probably dismantle a normal bearing, machine down the races to make them much thinnner, and then press them onto an

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread charles green
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:29 PM 2012/5/14 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: well, there's your spline form right there in the video.  screen capture.  the eliptical bearing

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread charles green
precise, durable, compact, stylish, and expensive mechanical clock modules can be had for only the asking of very large amounts of currency credits. --- On Tue, 5/15/12, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2012 10:42, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: the discreet spline teeth are also an approximation.  in fact, anything made out of atoms is flexible and grainy.  why not construct mechanisms from massless rigid rods and such? I think Viesturs has a point about the sides being

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 12 May 2012 00:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that they do not have the tools for 0,5 module, smallest they have is 0,7. But with ~124 mm pitch diameter the tooth count changes from 247 to 177, which significantly reduces the reduction ratio - from

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread charles green
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 2:55 AM On 15 May 2012 10:42, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: the discreet spline teeth are also an approximation.  in fact

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2012 11:04, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: i dont see why to care what any part aside from the engagement area is doing Now I think about it some more, I think you might be right. The cup is probably a little stiffer with the edge fully restrained, but I don't think the

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 07:32:44 AM charles green did opine: the discreet spline teeth are also an approximation. in fact, anything made out of atoms is flexible and grainy. why not construct mechanisms from massless rigid rods and such? I have seen some drawings of such, from

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 07:38:31 AM andy pugh did opine: On 15 May 2012 10:42, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: the discreet spline teeth are also an approximation. in fact, anything made out of atoms is flexible and grainy. why not construct mechanisms from massless rigid rods

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/15 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: i dont see why to care what any part aside from the engagement area is doing, except maybe at some resonance frequencies (grease it up good) and/or high speeds (why use a reducer for high speed application?). With 200:1 reduction ratio the input

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2012 13:28, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: No, those flexible bearings actually are _required_ to be flexed for normal operation . They even specify a range of min and max ovality - (D-d)/2 = 1,2...1.6mm (D and d - large and small diameters of elipse) for flexible

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 May 2012 06:00, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: i wonder, in the ball worm mechanism, why not make the worm engagement happen over more like a quarter of the diameter of the gear. This can be done, to an extent, with conventional worms, but it gets a bit difficult as eventually

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread charles green
advantage of constraning the motion to a plane. --- On Mon, 5/14/12, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, May 14, 2012, 3:11 AM

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Dave
set to avoid getting stuck at the limits of stroke. the result is another complex mechanism. --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Kirk Wallacekwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: From: Kirk Wallacekwall...@wallacecompany.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 May 2012 13:41, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: There were/are some manufacturers of hydraulic cylinder driven milling machines. I used to drive a servo-hydraulic tensile-testing machine. The actuator was extremely stiff and extremely fast. And _extremely_ expensive. That particular one used

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread dave
On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:03:51 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 May 2012 13:41, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: There were/are some manufacturers of hydraulic cylinder driven milling machines. I used to drive a servo-hydraulic tensile-testing machine. The actuator was extremely

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Moog Hydra Point mills are hydraulic cylinder actuated. On May 14, 2012 10:52 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:03:51 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 May 2012 13:41, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: There were/are some manufacturers of hydraulic

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote: There were/are some manufacturers of hydraulic cylinder driven milling machines. I forget who made them in the USA - Cincinnati Milacron perhaps. Cincinnatti made the machine, Moog made the control. The control was all pneumatic, no interpolation, not even linear. It used

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I had two MHP machines. MHP = M(oog) H(ydra) P(oint) They ran gcode just like any NC/CNC machine. Each linear axis had two cylinders opposing one another. A hydraulic servo valve released pressure from one or another cylinder to allow the table to move away from the high pressure side. The

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 May 2012 20:51, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: I had two MHP machines. MHP = M(oog) H(ydra) P(oint) Interesting: http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page18.html -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Mine looked very similar. My control had a CRT and could hold a short program. I believe the tape reader was optic. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 May 2012 20:51, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: I had two MHP machines. MHP = M(oog) H(ydra)

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: I had two MHP machines. MHP = M(oog) H(ydra) P(oint) They ran gcode just like any NC/CNC machine. Each linear axis had two cylinders opposing one another. A hydraulic servo valve released pressure from one or another cylinder to allow the table to move away from the

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-14 Thread dave
On Mon, 14 May 2012 20:40:14 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Stuart Stevenson wrote: I had two MHP machines. MHP = M(oog) H(ydra) P(oint) They ran gcode just like any NC/CNC machine. Each linear axis had two cylinders opposing one another. A hydraulic servo valve released

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/13 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: easy solution:  segment the program into a sequence of files, one for each different tool. Yes, that is how it is done now. Can anyone suggest some more sources for tools to create internal module 0,5 gears? Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Peter Georgi
: Freitag, 11. Mai 2012 22:50 An: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Betreff: [Emc-users] Some advice needed Hello, gentlemen! I would appreciate, if someone could share some advice on 3 issues I am stuck with at the moment. 1) is there a way to do manual tool touch-off during manual toolchange

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/13 Peter Georgi georg...@bluewin.ch: Hi Viesturs, RC Machines (http://www.rc-machines.com/index.php) in Luxmeburg has almost every thing a mechanical heart desires. They export to all of Europe even to Switzerland ;-), though they probably also send to LV. Most of the stuff they sale

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
wire electric discharge cutting? --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 12

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/13 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: wire electric discharge cutting? How precise is it? My tolerances are +/- (0,01...0,02)mm Viesturs --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
, but dont know what it is. remote control and data pipes maybe? --- On Sat, 5/12/12, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: From: dave dengv...@charter.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 10:40 PM On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:43

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
. --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 4:12 AM 2012/5/13 charles green

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2012 12:04, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: wire electric discharge cutting? I was thinking that might be the easiest approach for low volume. How many of these do you need to make? And what is the budget? As far as I know the only way to make internal gears is by shaving

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
footprint is not an issue, scale everything up and use an endmill. ..or a bandsaw. or a hyrdoabrasive jet or a laser. or a lamination process. or a 3d voxel type printer. --- On Sun, 5/13/12, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/13 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 13 May 2012 12:04, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: wire electric discharge cutting? I was thinking that might be the easiest approach for low volume. How many of these do you need to make? And what is the budget? Don't know, maybe 2 or 3.

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 5:02 AM 2012/5/13 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 13 May 2012 12:04, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: wire electric discharge cutting? I

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/13 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: i read about making precise worm gears for telescope mounts starting with a more or less rough notching of the gear followed by a 'running in' of the mating surfaces with abrasive fluid until the final form was achieved. In school this was briefly

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2012 13:38, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: primitive clock gears were cut from wood by hand, One of Harrison's wooden clocks is still running, just short of 300 years later. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/articles/2009/04/06/nostell_john_harrison_feature.shtml -- atp

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
a 'hunting tooth' design for worms with more than one start. messy process either way. has anyone ever heard of a ball worm? --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2012 22:43, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: has anyone ever heard of a ball worm? I have seen one developed by a college urology department, which is slightly scary. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
ha! --- On Sun, 5/13/12, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 2:52 PM On 13 May 2012 22:43, charles green xxzzb

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 13 May 2012 22:43, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: has anyone ever heard of a ball worm? I have seen one developed by a college urology department, which is slightly scary. Yes, before rack and pinion steering, cars used Armstrong steering gear,

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 14:43 -0700, charles green wrote: ... snip has anyone ever heard of a ball worm? ... snip http://urobotics.urology.jhu.edu/projects/BW/ To me, it seems too light duty for CNC work. Maybe more than one input shaft could be used to spread the load and maybe also provide

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread Dave
On 5/13/2012 8:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: andy pugh wrote: On 13 May 2012 22:43, charles greenxxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: has anyone ever heard of a ball worm? I have seen one developed by a college urology department, which is slightly scary. Yes, before rack and

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-13 Thread charles green
many revolutions would require a two phase screw set to avoid getting stuck at the limits of stroke. the result is another complex mechanism. --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: From: Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-12 Thread Mike Bennett
1) is there a way to do manual tool touch-off during manual toolchange in a middle of g-code file? Not yet. I think there is enough momentum now that there will be in the next major release. As a user of a simple machine, I'd vote for that. Mike

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-12 Thread charles green
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 11:07 PM 1) is there a way to do manual tool touch-off during manual toolchange in a middle of g-code file? Not yet. I think

[Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello, gentlemen! I would appreciate, if someone could share some advice on 3 issues I am stuck with at the moment. 1) is there a way to do manual tool touch-off during manual toolchange in a middle of g-code file? I know that there is an option to move to particular toolchange location for

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 May 2012 21:49, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: 1) is there a way to do manual tool touch-off during manual toolchange in a middle of g-code file? Not yet. I think there is enough momentum now that there will be in the next major release. 2) can somebody suggest me a

Re: [Emc-users] Some advice needed

2012-05-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/12 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Collets-Collet-Chucks/ER20-Collets-Collet-Chucks Thanks for the link, I had not found this one! Do you want an actual hob (spiral, needs the right machine, or EMC2 being clever) or a single-tooth