On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Markus Svilans wrote:
>
>>> I am also running EFL on a small embedded ARM processor. The system is
>>> fairly bare bones, so we don't have things like dbus installed. With EFL
>>> however, the app startup can be quite slow due to eldbus & friends
>>> trying to star
>> I am also running EFL on a small embedded ARM processor. The system is
>> fairly bare bones, so we don't have things like dbus installed. With EFL
>> however, the app startup can be quite slow due to eldbus & friends
>> trying to start up.
> yes, I feel your pain :-)
>
> I'll ask one of my folk
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:32:30 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:24:58 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > said:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 17 Ja
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Markus Svilans wrote:
> Hello Gustavo,
>
> I've been lurking on the enlightenment-devel mailing list for a while,
> and your recent comment caught my eye:
>
not sure it's that feasible, seeing that pain now with the project to
run efl+webkit on a small a
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:24:58 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> said:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:25:06 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>> > said:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 16
Hello Gustavo,
I've been lurking on the enlightenment-devel mailing list for a while,
and your recent comment caught my eye:
>>> not sure it's that feasible, seeing that pain now with the project to
>>> run efl+webkit on a small armv6, some stuff is too heavy. If we had
>>> ways to disable parts
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:24:58 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:25:06 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > said:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 16 Ja
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:20:31 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:00:24 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > said:
> >> - pure gnu make is great, with very capable macros on its own, you
> >> can auto genera
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:32:56 + Al Poole said:
> I quite like the idea of different configs for different architectures and
> configurations.
>
> just files with config data.
>
> CONFIG_ARM_LINUX_WAYLAND_DRM_X11
> CONFIG_AMD64_LINUX_X11
> CONFIG_AMD64_OPENBSD_X11
my thoughts were more
Make
Hi Ross,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 09:10:48AM +0100, Lionel Orry wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
> > > How many major distro's are shipping these out of the box? we don't
> > > really want to add another hurdl
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Al Poole wrote:
> I quite like the idea of different configs for different architectures and
> configurations.
>
> just files with config data.
>
> CONFIG_ARM_LINUX_WAYLAND_DRM_X11
> CONFIG_AMD64_LINUX_X11
> CONFIG_AMD64_OPENBSD_X11
>
> Then specify a config and b
I quite like the idea of different configs for different architectures and
configurations.
just files with config data.
CONFIG_ARM_LINUX_WAYLAND_DRM_X11
CONFIG_AMD64_LINUX_X11
CONFIG_AMD64_OPENBSD_X11
Then specify a config and build with Makefiles...
make CONFIG_ARM_LINUX_WAYLAND_DRM_X11
make i
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 09:10:48AM +0100, Lionel Orry wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
> > How many major distro's are shipping these out of the box? we don't
> > really want to add another hurdle to users building by needing to
> > manually install a build system first,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:25:06 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> said:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Carsten Haitzler
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:15:40 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>> > said:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 16
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:00:24 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> said:
>> - pure gnu make is great, with very capable macros on its own, you
>> can auto generate rules, recursively include files... that leads to a
>> single 'make' (not rec
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:25:06 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:15:40 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > said:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:41 PM, wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:05:29PM
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:15:40 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> said:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:41 PM, wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:05:29PM -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wr
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:43:32 +0100 Adrien Nader said:
> Hi,
>
> I'm busy with other things but overall I find the content in the
> discussion very disconcerting.
>
> Taking ffmpeg's so-called configure script as an example.
> It. Is. A. Pile. Of. Crap.
> How is *that* script any better than aut
Hello,
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
>
>
> On 01/17/2017 12:30 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > Hi Raster,
> >
> > - waf/meson/jam and I'd add http://gittup.org/tup/: all look nice,
> > but I have not much experience. Not that much used and seems to only
> > cover a
Hi,
I'm busy with other things but overall I find the content in the
discussion very disconcerting.
Taking ffmpeg's so-called configure script as an example.
It. Is. A. Pile. Of. Crap.
How is *that* script any better than autoconf's chain? Has anyone here
actually read it? An autoconf 'configure'
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:54:37 -0700 Michael Jennings said:
>
>> > Let the bikeshedding begin! :)
>>
>> Well, since you asked ;-)
>>
>> Bill Joy (creator of "vi") once said, "Vi was created for a world that
>> no longer exists." I thi
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:52:33 +1030 Simon Lees said:
>
>
> On 01/17/2017 12:30 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > Hi Raster,
> >
> > - waf/meson/jam and I'd add http://gittup.org/tup/: all look nice,
> > but I have not much experience. Not that much used and seems to only
> > cover a subs
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:28:22 +0100 Jonathan Aquilina
said:
> Another interesting thing to consider is modularity. Libreoffice allows you
> to build individual modules of it but if problems are encountered a make
> clean is run and a full rebuild is done. Also they integrate ccache to
> improve bu
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:54:37 -0700 Michael Jennings said:
> > Let the bikeshedding begin! :)
>
> Well, since you asked ;-)
>
> Bill Joy (creator of "vi") once said, "Vi was created for a world that
> no longer exists." I think it's safe to say that the same is true of
> autotools. Most c
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:05:29 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >> > I'm going to bring thi
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:15:40 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:05:29PM -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:00:24 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
said:
> Hi Raster,
>
> I share the same annoyances with autoshit... and the more I think
> about it, the more I hate it. And I was one of the few that ever
> touched or created .m4 to support our project... still hate the mess
> or "bar
On 01/17/2017 12:30 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> Hi Raster,
>
> - waf/meson/jam and I'd add http://gittup.org/tup/: all look nice,
> but I have not much experience. Not that much used and seems to only
> cover a subset as well. (tup is nice since they can run an
> inotify-based daemon
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:41 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:05:29PM -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Hait
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:05:29PM -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >> > I'm going to bri
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
wrote:
> Another interesting thing to consider is modularity. Libreoffice allows you
> to build individual modules of it but if problems are encountered a make
> clean is run and a full rebuild is done. Also they integrate ccache to
> improve b
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> > I'm going to bring this up as it's highly controversial... and not
>> > everyone is
>> > going to be happ
Hi Raster,
I share the same annoyances with autoshit... and the more I think
about it, the more I hate it. And I was one of the few that ever
touched or created .m4 to support our project... still hate the mess
or "bare shell" + "m4" + make... so many different rules, syntax to
keep up.
To clarif
Another interesting thing to consider is modularity. Libreoffice allows you to
build individual modules of it but if problems are encountered a make clean is
run and a full rebuild is done. Also they integrate ccache to improve build
speeds as well.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 16 Jan 2017, at 09:
Hi,
I'd be in favour of Mesonbuild.
- It's main developer is very responsive and already provided modules
for qt and gnome, which both require certain facilities we do need too
(e.g. resource compilers).
- It uses a DSL that makes it *very* straight forward to use.
- It has a concept called "wrap
Hello,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 01:26:28PM +1030, Simon Lees wrote:
>
>
> On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > I'm going to bring this up as it's highly controversial... and not everyone
> > is
> > going to be happy, but doing NOTHING is worse.
> >
> >
> > I prop
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:54 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:
>> Let the bikeshedding begin! :)
>
> Well, since you asked ;-)
>
> Bill Joy (creator of "vi") once said, "Vi was created for a world that
> no longer exists." I think it's safe to say that the same is true of
> autotools. Most commer
Hey
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
>
> So given that.. what do we do? Options:
>
> * A shell script to replace configure + gen a Makefile.cfg & include from
> our
> Makefile(s)
> * CMake
> * KConfig
> * Scons
> * Waf
> * Meson
> * Ninja
> * Jam
if I wo
> Let the bikeshedding begin! :)
Well, since you asked ;-)
Bill Joy (creator of "vi") once said, "Vi was created for a world that
no longer exists." I think it's safe to say that the same is true of
autotools. Most commercial UNIX flavors are dead, or may as well be,
at least for E's purpo
On 01/16/2017 01:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> I'm going to bring this up as it's highly controversial... and not everyone is
> going to be happy, but doing NOTHING is worse.
>
>
> I propose that whatever we come up with should support at minimum the
> following
> build syst
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