Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I don't believe it's illegal for private companies. It is however illegal for the government to do it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Ben Goren wrote: > >> On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> >> Same reason they c

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It's called inductive charging. I have a toothbrush that uses this technology. GM was the first to do this with electric cars with the EV1 but they never put it into production that I know of. Sent from my iPhone > On May 31, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Peri Hartman via EV w

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Not to mention the fact that using a Battery heat it. Charging also causes it to heat so using the battery while charging would beat the battery even more. Sent from my iPhone > On May 31, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > My first comment: did they have a great EV grin ! > > O

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Dove via EV
ugged=20 > in, thus drawing line current, not battery. > > -- Original Message ------ > From: "Paul Dove via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Sent: 31-May-15 12:24:39 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Success! > >> Not to mention the fact t

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Absolutely never trickle charge any type of Lithium Ion battery Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > > Thanks, everybody, for all the advice. > > Sunday evening when I had dinner at their place, I set the car to only charge > to 80%. I also set the time

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging?

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
True so let's define it Trickle charging means charging a fully charged battery under no-load at a rate equal to its self-discharge rate, thus enabling the battery to remain at its fully charged level.A battery under continuous float voltage charging is said to be under float-charging. I would

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging a Nissan?

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
My I-MiEV recommends driving down to one bar on the gauge once a month to reset the gauge. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> Nissan doesn't recommend "trickle charging." > > I was shocked when I heard that was in the manual. Then by fortune o

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes I suppose this is confusing. Let them ion batteries are charged according to a procedure. Let's take lithium iron phosphate for example. According to the procedures you charge to 3.65 V constant current. Then you hold the voltage at 3.65 and taper the current to C/20. Sometime later The cell

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> Yes I suppose this is confusing. Let them ion batteries are charged >> according to a procedure. Let's take lithi

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
> On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >>> Yes I suppose this is confusing.

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-05 Thread paul dove via EV
one can > develop their own procedure however, these procedures were developed in a > laboratory and the batteries dissected afterwards to see the effect. My point > was anything over 3.38 V is charging the cell > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Paul Dove

Re: [EVDL] $34k 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf EV review r:83mi ? c:209hrs@L1 ?

2015-06-11 Thread Paul Dove via EV
That's a typo. 20.9 hours Sent from my iPad > On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > ? "It would take about 209 hours to charge the car fully from a standard > 120v outlet" ? > > http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2015/06/04/vw-volkswagen-golf-electric-re

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18

2015-06-11 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Those batteries are rated for 3C continuous. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > 95 40ah cells is only 12kWh. Range will be minimal. > I doubt the 40ah cells will last very long since you will be pulling at > minimum 1C continuous. > > Al > >> On

Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits

2015-06-12 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I have a I-MiEV with a 60 mile range and rarely go below 2/3 rds so why pay for more battery. I say know your needs and only buy what you need Sent from my iPad > On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: > > The problem is the new Leaf's have two range upgrades coming so

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18

2015-06-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
http://en.calb.cn/product/show/?id-626 It used to be 3C now they say 2C or 80 amps for the CA40. I tested the CA100 at 300 amps and the temperature only rose 10 degrees C. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > > What they are "rated" for and what

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Skip the BMS Sent from my iPad > On Jun 14, 2015, at 10:29 PM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > > I can understand the lack of potential conversion buyers. My present EV, a > 1989 Ford Escort converted by a company in Santa Rosa, was on sale at one > point for $2,000 but it never sold. Ultimately,

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-16 Thread Paul Dove via EV
A battery monitor is fine battery management should be avoided. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:15 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 15 Jun 2015 at 5:49, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> >> Skip the BMS > > Don't. > > David R

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-17 Thread Paul Dove via EV
That seems to be dependent on the battery BMS design. I took apart a bad HP laptop battery and checked all the cells replacing the bad cells. Apparently the battery circuit has memory because it still showed as bad when inserted in the laptop. So unless you can reset the BMS it still may not w

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
That was a very good summary. Cell balancing is something that was done with other chemistry a and many have tried to apply it to Li Ion chemistries but it doesn't work with Lithium since cells do self discharge or drift. If one wanted to balance them it has to be done below 3.38 volts otherwis

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread paul dove via EV
No one has convinced me that top balancing is even possible much less that a BMS can achieve this. If you hold a cell above the Open circuit voltage you are charging it even if you are trying to shunt the current with a Mosfet From: Lee Hart via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread paul dove via EV
VDL] Bicycle battery Paul Dove via EV wrote: > That was a very good summary. Cell balancing is something that was > done with other chemistry a and many have tried to apply it to Li Ion > chemistries but it doesn't work with Lithium since cells do self > discharge or drift. > >

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Even Boeing burned up dream liners with a BMS. Got any other argument besides everyone is doing it? Sent from my iPad > On Jun 18, 2015, at 2:02 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 18 Jun 2015 at 11:43, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: >> >> That pack is very nicely top-balanced a

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
We already covered how to tell is a cell has internal defects. You drain the cell to 2.5 volts and then if the cell voltage rises it's good if it keeps falling don't use it. I did think this up This is what NASA does. I read it in one of their presentations. I can dig it up if you like. As for

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I just report what I observe. My cells don't self discharge. Only had one reverse and as I said that was a loose connection. I don't know of anyone who claims their cells went to zero sitting on a shelf. Unless they were defective it should never happen. However, there's probably a low percenta

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Then explain how this happens in a Li-Ion battery. What is the self discharge mechanism? Give me the science! Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > This "zero self-discharge" myth seems to be a common thread with the > "anti-BMS" crowd. I don't know wh

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Li cells are not designed to have low self discharge. It is a matter of physics. They just don't or I should say it is very very low and slows down with ever charge cycle. What loss there is is due to electrolyte breakdown and forming of the SEI layer, primarily. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19,

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes, if one really wants to protect from cell failure then fuse each cell like Tesla does. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > I said it, because it has come up in papers and journal articles I have > read. Paul agreed with me I think. > > The basi

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I haven't seen any science from BMS advocates yet. They make lots of assumptions based on nothing. Besides I have a BMS I just don't have a cell level BMS. I haven't heard the theory on self discharge yet? Or the rate at which they discharge or an example of someone putting one on the shelf fo

Re: [EVDL] Chargers for Charging individual cells

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Any power supply will work you just need to keep an eye on it and cut it off when the cells full ie cutoff voltage listed on spec sheet Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > I'm not ready to hook a 144V charger up to a partial Chevy Volt pack but I >

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The specify a self discharge rate because people asked for it. All the ones I've seen say less than 1%. Well zero is less than 1% Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > David, > > Why do all manufacturers of Li-Ion batteries specify the amount o

Re: [EVDL] "Zero self-discharge" (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Did actually read it? That paper is about capacity loss not voltage drop over time. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > David, > > Here is a paper describing the chemical and physical mechanisms inside a > Li-Ion cell > that cause self-disch

Re: [EVDL] Final post, was: Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Mechanisms of self-discharge in Li-Ion batteries

2015-06-20 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Books on converting a car to ev?

2016-01-16 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I've heard good things about this book http://www.amazon.com/ICE-Free-Electric-technology-converters/dp/0957149506 Sent from my iPad -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

2016-02-05 Thread paul dove via EV
The science behind battery fires is actually pretty simple, and fairly well understood. If the battery short-circuits -- say, by puncturing the sheet of plastic separating the positive and negative sides of the battery then the liquid electrolyte can heat up so quickly that the battery explodes

Re: [EVDL] Utility NRG selling off it's EVSE> giving 'green' the heave-ho

2016-03-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Be nice if the liquidated some charging equipment at auction. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 4, 2016, at 2:15 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % New NRG CEO gives 'green' the heave-ho > The plugin community has seen Blink bought by ccg, and then their rate costs > went up. Note: as far as I kn

Re: [EVDL] EV Question

2016-04-07 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Not sure what you mean but there is a phone app called plug share that lists chargers around the USA. Maybe more but I never looked beyond that. As far as someone blocking the charger there's not much you can do about that. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Amanda Le via EV wrote

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Miners pin hopes on Electric copper-cars

2016-04-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
In addition, Compared to copper silver has only slightly less resistivity (5%) however it has a higher density so on a resistivity to mass basis the two are roughly identical. Copper is also more malleable and ductile than silver and can be shaped easier and put under stress without damage. Twis

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf EV is Still Better Than a Tesla

2016-04-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Anyone buying an EV is an early adopter. They will buy anything. It means nothing in the long run. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 14, 2016, at 3:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > News flash: EV-ignorant reporters write EV-ignorant articles. > > What a waste of bandwidth. > > I suppo

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum: EVLN: Miners pin hopes on Electric copper-cars

2016-04-14 Thread paul dove via EV
I would be hard pressed to answer the concern of the building maintenance crew based on that information. There are several things to consider when using aluminum wire. They have both current ratings and heat ratings just like copper so they would need to follow code you can't just install whate

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: ?L3 quick charging or pack swaps, on long EV trips? (v)

2016-05-02 Thread paul dove via EV
I looked it up to verify my statement. It looks like all the modules are in parallel. This way you can just remove one or two modules to increase the capacity of the pack. As opposed to the way everyone else does it with small voltage modules or cells  in series they use high voltage modules

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: ?L3 quick charging or pack swaps, on long EV trips? (v)

2016-05-02 Thread paul dove via EV
Ok, So I looked it up to verify my statement. It looks like all the modules are in parallel. This way you can just remove one or two modules to increase the capacity of the pack. As opposed to the way everyone else does it with small voltage modules or cells  in series they use high voltage modul

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: ?L3 quick charging or pack swaps, on long EV trips? (v)

2016-05-02 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper

2016-05-12 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Even if she succeeds. There is still the charging issue. Where would you get enough power to charge a 400 mile range vehicle in a timely manner? You would need 150kw battery or so. You can't get that kind of power out of the grid and how often would you need to drive 400 miles. Trying to solve

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper

2016-05-16 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Certainly, anything is possible even inductive charging in the roads given enough time and money.. But that is really the issue after all the value proposition is not there. No enough people care about the environment to be inconvenienced Sent from my iPad > On May 16, 2016, at 6:29 PM, E

Re: [EVDL] EV-Spotting in London

2016-05-17 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Only 47% of UK adults believe that individual efforts to limit their own impact on climate change are worthwhile, although this rises to 70% of readers and users of the Guardian and Observer, who tend to be more eco-conscious. The research further shows that 40% of UK adults think that pollution

Re: [EVDL] 2011 Leaf pack disassembly

2016-05-30 Thread paul dove via EV
Should not be hard to calculate. The modules weigh 8.4 lbs and there are 48 so that is approximately 403 lbs.The whole battery weighs 648 lbs... so, all the rest e=weighs 245 lbs. That includes case, straps, nuts, BMS, etc. A pack of CALB SE series would only be 525 lbs for 24KWh. From:

Re: [EVDL] Old packs as powerwalls @L3 EVSE sites to help smoothout the grid, +more

2016-05-30 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It's good to hear confirmation. I have said this for years. Sent from my iPad > On May 30, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Hoegberg via EV wrote: > > > > >> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 01:11:12 -0700 >> To: ev@lists.evdl.org >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Old packs as powerwalls

Re: [EVDL] Modified Sine Wave Heating

2016-06-04 Thread paul dove via EV
There are different requirements for blankets sold in the USA. They must be low power compared to the ones sold in other countries.  From: Bobby Keeland via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; John Lindsay Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Modified Sine W

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-07 Thread paul dove via EV
Easy to calculate V=IR or I=V/R R should be very small in the case of connecting with wires or contactors etc. So if the delta voltage is 2 volts and R=0.1 ohms I=20amps. Easy to see that currents can get very high quickly as the delta V between batteries grows. A variable resistor could be insert

Re: [EVDL] Current limiting

2016-06-07 Thread paul dove via EV
I was just saying there is no need to speculate.It's just math and you can put a variable resistor in there and control the current flow while monitoring with a meter. From: Bill Collins To: paul dove ; ev@lists.evdl.org; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:40 AM

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Oh, if only Edison could hear. He may finally win. From: jerry freedomev via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging     Hi Robert

Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

2016-06-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Isn't irrelevant in the USA. We have building codes that must be followed. From: Robert Bruninga via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging > The only time high voltage helps

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Had the i3 design vision been better it could have competed with the Tesla-3 EV

2016-06-10 Thread paul dove via EV
That depends on your definition of better. I chose the i-MiEV because of the battery it uses and the cheap price. It uses the Yuasa LEV 50 50Ah 3.7 Volt (nominal) The  cells were fabricated using LiFePO4/graphite chemistry. The cells are able to supply the stable output-power over wide range of

Re: [EVDL] Golf cart controllers

2016-06-10 Thread paul dove via EV
I believe have one at home. I built an electric riding lawn mower years ago. It's dismantled and scrapped now but I still have the controller. From: John Lussmyer To: dovepa ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Golf cart controllers

Re: [EVDL] Driving a Leaf from... Regenerative braking?

2016-06-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I agree Bob, I have an i-MiEV and it has three modes. Drive - good acceleration minimal regenerative braking.ECO - reduced acceleration stronger regenerative brakingB - not sure what that stands for but it has the same acceleration as drive but the maximum regenerative braking. I drove for a lo

Re: [EVDL] Driving a Leaf from... Regenerative braking?

2016-06-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I agree. The only time I see a huge difference in range is when I drive over 70 miles an hour.or like you said accelerating and slamming on brakes like 90% of the ICE drivers. From: tomw via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Driving a L

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160622

2016-06-22 Thread Paul Dove via EV
https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesla-makes-offer-to-acquire-solarcity Tesla makes offer to acquire solar city Sent from my iPad > On Jun 22, 2016, at 2:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Audi-plans-to-make-Q5-Electric-SUV

Re: [EVDL] Lithium Battery Testing

2016-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
I assume you want a way to discharge the cells to find the culprit? Get something like this. 250watt 0.1 ohm Resistorhttp://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=250wresistor and one of these because you can hook up to a PC and record the data with time stamps. TekPower TP4000ZC PC based RS232-Int

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Canadian li-ion market-minnow Electrovaya racking up orders> ‘We’ve taken off’

2016-07-12 Thread paul dove via EV
Mohammad Ali says it's not bragging if it's true. It would be false humility to downplay the truth Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:38 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 12 Jul 2016 at 0:58, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> "The world has to use our technology for everythi

Re: [EVDL] Tractor conversion

2016-07-14 Thread paul dove via EV
I would advise 144v if you can 48 in series to keep currents lower Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote: > > https://plus.google.com/102434734002949174273/posts/QGYjoRenrbz > > Due to parts on hand, I'm thinking of a Warp9 and 48v-72v of TS 260ah cells. > I

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160714

2016-07-15 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes they would be but it uses overhead charging with big rails not cords although the cables feeding the rail system would be big. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > So Proterra's charger is 8 times faster than CHAdeMO which delivers max > 5

Re: [EVDL] EV's for Armagedon

2016-07-16 Thread Paul Dove via EV
What I would do is build or purchase a portable EV charger that has a battery pack in it. Them charge the portable charger with the solar array. Not sure where to buy one but I have seen them. There's a guy 50 miles from me who advertises road side assistance and he uses a charge-a-lot brand por

Re: [EVDL] EV's for Armagedon

2016-07-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Many vehicles already have HVDC charging capability it's called chademo standard. If you have 330VDC available you just need an interface that complies with chademo. jack Richard of EVTV has developed such a product or rather had the Chinese do it. It connect to HVDC and with chademo to the vehi

Re: [EVDL] EV's for Armagedon

2016-07-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes but it was very expensive I was just saying it can be done Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:50 PM, John Lussmyer wrote: > > On Sun Jul 17 09:58:38 PDT 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >> Many vehicles already have HVDC charging capability it's called chademo >> standard. If you have

Re: [EVDL] EV's for Armagedon

2016-07-18 Thread paul dove via EV
: [EVDL] EV's for Armagedon So how does CHADEMO work?  The car tells the charger what final voltage and what max current, and the chademo then complies? What about BMS?  Does the car's BMS handle everythig else? Bob On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > Yes bu

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM’s 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless(autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-25 Thread paul dove via EV
No one has a working autonomous vehicle including Tesla. Tesla even states the the driver must monitor the vehicle and warns you when you take your heads off the wheel Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > GM must have teleported their software staf

[EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless(autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-25 Thread paul dove via EV
While technically Google cars can drive around they only travel a max speed of 25mph. They are intended as couriers and they aren't for sale as far as I know. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as adriverless(autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-26 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-26 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-26 Thread paul dove via EV
he road as much as >>>> possible). In future the truck will drive itself while lumbering along >>>> on the freeway while the human sleeps/rests. At source and destination >>>> as well as at (recharge) stops, the human will take over and drive the >>>>

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-26 Thread paul dove via EV
few hundred vehicles. >>> Of course 25 MPH helps in getting slightly longer reaction times due to >>> low speed, but that is not a concern for Google, they wanted experience >>> with a self-driving platform in daily traffic situations and that is >>> what they

Re: [EVDL] Follow-up: Brown's fatal Tesla autopilot crash

2016-07-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, I do the same thing. Sometimes I make it a game to see how little energy I can use to get somewhere. But in my truck I go back to my old behavior and drive like everyone else. From: Collin Kidder via EV To: EVDL Administrator ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, Jul

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
LOL! See its started already Sent from my iPad > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Chris Meier via EV wrote: > > Stop blaming Tesla, the vendors equipment doesn't look that high. US trucks > should have guards, put your energy there, please. > -Chris > -- > -Chris > >> On July 27, 2016 2:05:0

Re: [EVDL] Fwd: EVLN: GM's 1st 200mi EV will launch as a driverless (autonomous) Lyft platform

2016-07-29 Thread paul dove via EV
I was just having that conversation at work during lunch yesterday. A friend said he rented a big SUV and it had collision assist. He said if you tried to change lanes without the blinker it would jerk you back in the lane. He said it almost made he hit someone a couple of times so he had to tur

Re: [EVDL] PG&E's EV Charging Plan Still Angers Industry Players ...

2016-08-02 Thread paul dove via EV
Do you know of a DC fast charger that has a lower price? All the ones I looked at were in this ballpark. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:44 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 2 Aug 2016 at 1:03, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> $22 million for 1,500 EV chargers ... > > A

Re: [EVDL] PG&E's EV Charging Plan Still Angers Industry Players ...

2016-08-02 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM NA-Pres sez Bolt isn't going to be a best-seller nor was it designed to be

2016-08-03 Thread paul dove via EV
LOL! Continue their leadership? In a 20,000 car that costs 40,000 almost. What happens when the tax credits run out? This is a car to me CAFE standards period. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2016, at 3:42 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.

Re: [EVDL] PG&E's EV Charging Plan Still Angers Industry Players ...

2016-08-03 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Which one china lifepo4 60 Ah?

2016-08-13 Thread paul dove via EV
Why would you say that? Li FePO4 has one of the largest cycle life of any of them.?2000+ cycles. The Mitsubishi i-MiEV uses LiFePO4 cells. Maybe go with a larger Ah capacity to increase current limits. They only do 3C continuous. So that would be 180 Amps for a 60Ah cell. Sent from my iPhone

Re: [EVDL] Which one china lifepo4 60 Ah?

2016-08-13 Thread paul dove via EV
I have seen very little evidence of such. Most people are still driving their conversions BMS or not. My vehicle has over 20,000 miles on it with no sign of capacity loss. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Lee Hart wrote: > > paul dove via EV wrote: >> Wh

Re: [EVDL] Pop-starting a stick shift?

2016-08-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Depends on what is wrong. You still need to be able to generate a field in the alternator to power the fuel injectors. If the battery is open or you have a bad cable it won't start. Older cars had a generator instead of an alternator. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Robert Br

Re: [EVDL] Selecting C rating of battery.

2016-08-22 Thread paul dove via EV
These controllers need to be programmed. They have CAN bus interface for adjusting parameters. There may be other signals it is looking for before it will turn. They also use a Hall effect throttle. Do you have a manual with that controller? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:14 AM, a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Chevrolet Bolt EV Early Adopter promises, androgynous-design and no-delays

2016-08-22 Thread paul dove via EV
https://transportevolved.com/2015/09/11/confirmed-30-kwh-nissan-leaf-battery-packs-incompatible-with-older-nissan-leafs/ Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Peri, > Unlikely. > While battery technology has been progressing quickly and we have

Re: [EVDL] Selecting C rating of battery.

2016-08-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Smoker, I know very little about this motor and controller combination but I did find another forum where they discuss this. http://goldenmotor.com/SMF/index.php?topic=5632.0 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Aniket Suryawanshi via EV > wrote: > > here is an link for detail

Re: [EVDL] turn sez utility PG&E's EV charging station plan would co$t all ratepayers

2016-08-23 Thread paul dove via EV
No Peri they are missing something and you are completely correct IMO Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > I'll throw in a wet towel. It is very exciting to see support for more > charging stations and, in general, I support that. But I think this

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread paul dove via EV
Gravity is not a force. Friction is a force. Einsteinium theory of relativity proved this. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Rush is right in that the gravity is the force that slows down the > vehicle but not in the way you were thinking.

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Gravity is caused by the distortion in the space time continuum. Mass distorts space time similar to a bowling ball placed on a mattress. If you place a tennis ball on the mattress it will roll towards the bowling ball because space time (i.e. The mattress) is warped. Without a force acting

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-28 Thread paul dove via EV
n formulating his three laws, Newton simplified his treatment of massive bodies by considering them to be mathematical points with no size or rotation. This allowed him to ignore factors such as friction, air resistance, temperature, material properties, etc., and concentrate on phenomena that c

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-28 Thread paul dove via EV
Sorry, I missed his reference then. I was thinking second law of motion. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Jan Steinman wrote: > > Don’t know what Newton has to do with the laws of thermodynamics, which were > developed by Carnot (et. al.) in the 19th century. > >> On 2016-

Re: [EVDL] Zilla Code 1124 Main Contactor Stuck On

2018-10-31 Thread paul dove via EV
I am no expert but it sounds like you have 12 v power issues Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Damon Henry via EV wrote: > > Recently when I start my truck it often takes me a couple of tries of turning > the main contactor on and off before the motor will spin. I figured th

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2018-11-03 Thread paul dove via EV
Someone who did what? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2018, at 4:23 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > { ... I know someone who did that and his home caught fire. ... However, the > range-ometer in an electric car is a weird and speculative thing ... } > > https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/

Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1227-2406 controller docs

2018-11-07 Thread paul dove via EV
https://www.tecknowledgey.com/amfilerating/file/download/file_id/333/ Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Hi all, > > A friend called me today. He's building a personal mobility vehicle, and > acquired a Curtis 1227-2406 controller on ebay for it. I ca

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 8, 2018, at 9:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/video_didnt_kill_the_radio_star_but_electric_cars_might/41298 > Video didn't kill the radio star…

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Well conducted emissions seems easier to eliminate Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > paul dove via EV wrote: >> Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? > > If radiated, it will cause problems

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