H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports
a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what
actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves packet).
Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes the choice (of measurement
outcome). Born
What is the electron configuration ?
Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology?
http://www.cybsoc.org/electron.pdf
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On 5/12/2012 11:21 PM, scerir wrote:
H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990) reports
a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what
actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction of waves packet).
Dirac said that it is 'Nature' that makes the
On 13.05.2012 04:38 meekerdb said the following:
On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Evgenii,
All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory
are non computationalist dualist theories.
Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian
Kent has
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see that. But consider that the notion of being able to change the
outcome of future society - 'prevent' or 'deter' anything at all - depends
on the possibility of variant futures. From the absolute perspective, such
On Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:17:12 PM UTC+10, RAM wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see that. But consider that the notion of being able to change the
outcome of future society - 'prevent' or 'deter' anything at all - depends
on the possibility
On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following:
Evgenii,
All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe
theory
are non computationalist dualist theories.
But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the
On 12 May 2012, at 15:20, scerir wrote:
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans.
Evgenii
H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990)
reports
a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what
actually gives rise to the so called collapse (reduction
On 12 May 2012, at 19:50, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
although machines can be said determined, they are not entirely
determined from what they can know about themselves at the time they
decide to act.
As I've said many
On 12 May 2012, at 22:51, John Mikes wrote:
Pure non-consciousness?
that would approach the 'pure(?) nothingness' - even in my
generalized definition of Ccness:
response to relations leaving open he definition of a response and
of relations. Otherwise it is perfect.
But 'response to
On May 13, 4:17 am, R AM ramra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see that. But consider that the notion of being able to change the
outcome of future society - 'prevent' or 'deter' anything at all - depends
on the possibility of
On 12 May 2012, at 22:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/12/2012 6:20 AM, scerir wrote:
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans.
Evgenii
H. Kragh (Dirac: a Scientific Biography, Cambridge U.P., 1990)
reports
a 1927 discussion between Dirac, Heisenberg and Born, about what
actually gives
On 13 May 2012, at 03:48, Pierz wrote:
I remember a kid back in secondary school saying to me that if
everything was determined - as seemed inevitable to him from his
understanding of physics - then you might as well give up and
despair, since that was inevitable anyway! I tried to
On 13 May 2012, at 04:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Evgenii,
All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe
theory are non computationalist dualist theories.
Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean.
Adrian Kent has
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A New Limit on Photon Mass.
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2003/split/625-2.html
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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
What would be the point of learning though? What would be the
difference between any one outcome and any other one if decision
making were determined? It is only because of our own experience of
free will that we can
On May 13, 11:46 am, R AM ramra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
What would be the point of learning though? What would be the
difference between any one outcome and any other one if decision
making were determined? It is
On Sat, May 12, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I guess I have to draw a diagram
Determined
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Coerced-Free
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
John Clarke seems to be saying
No e in my name. Although I'd love to say I'm Arthur C Clarke's
illegitimate son the fact is my father's name was Arthur E Clark.
that the law is an ass, not because of human-level failures of
On 5/13/2012 9:35 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I guess I have to draw a diagram
Determined
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|
On 5/13/2012 9:56 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com
mailto:pier...@gmail.com wrote:
John Clarke seems to be saying
No e in my name. Although I'd love to say I'm Arthur C Clarke's illegitimate son the
fact is my father's name was Arthur E
On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following:
Evgenii,
All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory
are non computationalist dualist theories.
But as Shimony
On May 13, 4:19 pm, R AM ramra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On May 13, 11:46 am, R AM ramra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
What would be the
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