Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M is the same as H; W is the same as H; but M is not the same as W. Given this, you have all

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:51:32AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > I have only come across two theories of personal identity that are > consistent and void issues inherent to body-continuity and > psychological-continuity theories. The two consistent personal identity > theories I am aware of are

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > ​> ​ > You say that the person in Moscow is the same person as the person in > Helsinki, > ​Yes.​ > ​>​ > and that the person in Washington is also the same as the person in > Helsinki. > ​Yes.​ > ​> ​ > But also

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > The Helsinki guy now that he will survive, > ​Only if there is a person or if there are persons who remember being the Helsinki guy. ​ > ​> ​ > and that he cannot have the simultaneous first person experience >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 4:00 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 07:42, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original and, because of the phenomenon of first person experience, feels that he is the one true copy persisting through time

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 4:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: that anything new actually happens. He could have started there and argued for the reversal of physics and computationalism directly. The duplication

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 4:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: So in your duplication scenarios, the case in which the original is duplicated, but continues to exist, the closest

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 04:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 5:05 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: There is no single 1p view -- there are three possible 1p

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 18 July 2016 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett >>

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 17 Jul 2016, at 20:05, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/17/2016 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The duplicating machine cannot introduce a telepathic link which would be mandatory for having an experience of both cities at once, so that the candidate would write "I see W and M". That simply

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 9:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett < > > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 9:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >>> The problems arise because

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 3:40 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original >> and, because of the phenomenon of first person experience, feels that he is >> the one true