Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:57 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 9/19/2019 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 22:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> > >> On 9/16/2019 5:39 AM,

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On 9/19/2019 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Sep 2019, at 22:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/16/2019 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As I said I my other post, it is just Descartes’ idea that our body obeys laws which are locally computable, made precise by using Tu

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: /But other quantum experts use decoherence to explain quantum phenomena without invoking multiple universes./ "Without in

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On 9/23/2019 4:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Yet, assuming an arithmetical world governed by arithmetical laws, you can derive the appearance of a physical universe governed by physical laws. If only it were so.  So far it's hand waving aspiration. Brent -- You received this message because y

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > *But other quantum experts use decoherence to explain quantum phenomena > without invoking multiple universes.* > > > "Without invoking" doesn't mean "denying". > It does if

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:50:34 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:14:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 23 Sep 2019, at 05:24, Alan Grayson wrote: > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:05:16 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 2:05 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:01:46 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/22/2019 11:36 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:55:35

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:44 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:41 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > Jason thinks I must be suffering from buyer's remorse because I "spent > $80,000 when he is already saved by arithmetic" he concludes this because > on December 26 2012 at 12:34 PM I said

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:44:49 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > *But other quantum experts use decoherence to explain quantum phenomena > without invoking multiple universes.* > > > "Without invoking" doesn't mean "denying". If you're only

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:41 AM Jason Resch wrote: Jason thinks I must be suffering from buyer's remorse because I "spent $80,000 when he is already saved by arithmetic" he concludes this because on December 26 2012 at 12:34 PM I said " *A better question is do the natural numbers need a reason

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On 9/23/2019 2:05 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:01:46 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/22/2019 11:36 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:55:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/22/2019 8:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On 9/23/2019 12:45 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:32:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 9/23/2019 8:59 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > But Laplace was wrong in one very important respect. One can never > know the exact position and momentum of any particle, let

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: /But other quantum experts use decoherence to explain quantum phenomena without invoking multiple universes./ "Without invoking" doesn't mean "denying".  If you're only interested in saving the phenomenon you can explain the /*apparent*/ collapse b

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 8:59 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > But Laplace was wrong in one very important respect. One can never > > know the exact position and momentum of any particle, let alone the > > entire universe. There are no per

Re: Something Deeply Hidden

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:10:00 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:35, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 6:28:17 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:21 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Friday, September 20

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:01:46 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/22/2019 11:36 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:55:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/22/2019 8:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> Of course they are mathematically possible. You

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/23/2019 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: By isolating the system, you can avoid “future entanglement”, and dismiss older, but when an entanglement is made, without collapse, by linearity of both the evolution and the tensor product, it is will last forever. Did you read Carroll's explic

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 2:58 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> I guess you never clicked the link I provided at the start of this >> thread. * > > > I've done a lot better than click on a link that provides a brief > synopsis, I've spent hours rea

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Jason Resch wrote: *> I guess you never clicked the link I provided at the start of this > thread. * I've done a lot better than click on a link that provides a brief synopsis, I've spent hours reading every page in the man's entire book and you and Bruno shoul

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:32:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 8:59 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > But Laplace was wrong in one very important respect. One can never > > know the exact position and momentum of any particle, let alone the > > entire universe. There are no per

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On 9/23/2019 8:59 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: But Laplace was wrong in one very important respect. One can never know the exact position and momentum of any particle, let alone the entire universe. There are no perfect measurements! Laplace knew that. His point was that the future (and the pas

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 1:30:35 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2019, at 14:57, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:39:14 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:31:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 19:22, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > I downloaded Carroll's book a few days ago. Will read it this weekend. > Current physics research indicates that everything is entangled, which of > course is the quantum, Or any universal machinery seen from inside (up

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 13:10, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:07 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Our decision are classical, so (even in the Everett quantum world) they do > > not "create new worlds”. > I suspect Sean Carroll is quoted out of context,

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 22:43, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Sep 2019, at 21:15, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 3:01:23 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 14:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:39:14 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 6:31:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Sep 2019, at 16:04, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> From a pragmatic pe

Re: A Logic of Direct Evidence

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 19:27, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > A Logic of Direct Evidence > Sungwoo Park > > https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9f61/84a9492deb75d64209f1368d7860f851c1bd.pdf > > "This paper presents a system of modal logic that is capable of expressing > the notion of normal proof with

Re: Something Deeply Hidden

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:35, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 6:28:17 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:21 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > I've just finished Sean Carroll's

Re: Long-Standing Problem of 'Golden Ratio' and Other Irrational Numbers Solved with 'Magical Simplicity' | Space

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 11:15, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-proof-solves-80-year-old-irrational-number-problem/ That is actually very interesting, but not directly related to our discussion, except such conjecture illustrates the non fiction and non

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 20 Sep 2019, at 01:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > Consciousness being algorimthic or Mechanism? and what notion of truth > does it rely on? (not the one

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On 9/22/2019 11:36 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:55:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/22/2019 8:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: Of course they are mathematically possible. You just need to start with the right axioms.  Everything mathematically

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:51 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > you invoke your god [...] > > That is my cue to skip to the next paragraph because nothing intelligent ever > follows. > > >> And because of p-adic dista

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:23:29 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:51 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> >> *> if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you do accept step 3, (as >>> Carroll accept it, according

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:23:29 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:51 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> >> *> if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you do accept step 3, (as >>> Carroll accept it, according

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:31 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Sep 2019, at 11:43, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:41 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> Perhaps Carroll's explanation might help others who've struggled to get >> past Step 3.* > > > If Jason Resch reads Carroll's book a

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:51 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *> if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you do accept step 3, (as >> Carroll accept it, according to Jason) * > > > If Jason thinks Carroll accepts it then Jason is full of shit. And

Re: Quantum Supremacy

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 7:23:44 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > *> Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer >> really speed-up the computations, but like with P = NP, most experts have >> few doubt tha

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

Ha! We cannot mess with the circuitry? Right now its an aleph-null universe, and we have very little to do with that. My own pet theory is that those at the front of your class have their brains neurologically wired to perform math at a satisfactory level. That its the ability to do well with pa

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 09:19, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > At this point, I'd settle for mere intelligence that helps solve human > problems as opposed to the "hard" Chalmers Question. Chalmers “hard problem” is just a materialist reformulation of the well known, by philosopher

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 01:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 6:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Consciousness cannot be algorithmic if Mechanism is true, because it relies >> on the notion of truth, which is not just not algorithmic, but is not even >> definab

Re: Quantum Supremacy

Le lun. 23 sept. 2019 à 15:23, John Clark a écrit : > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *> Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer >> really speed-up the computations, but like with P = NP, most experts have >> few doubt that this is the case.* >

Re: Quantum Supremacy

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer really > speed-up the computations, but like with P = NP, most experts have few > doubt that this is the case.* I think you mean P is not equal to NP, most mathematicians wo

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 5:21:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

Oops, I missed this mail. > On 19 Sep 2019, at 21:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> You are just muddling the point. Computers don't evolve by random >>> variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection). They

Re: Quantum Supremacy

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:29, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 6:23:18 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > There is a rumor that a team of researchers at Google led by John Martinis > have performed a calculation on a Quantum Computer in three minutes and 20 > seconds t

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with >> co

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:48:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2019, at 03:17, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:56:25 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: >> >> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:47, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 a

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 5:23:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2019, at 21:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22:24 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:41, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> Like Max Tegmark, in "Our

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you do accept step 3, (as > Carroll accept it, according to Jason) * If Jason thinks Carroll accepts it then Jason is full of shit. And I've read Carroll's book, you haven't. You two should actuall

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:14:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2019, at 05:24, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@g

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 22 Sep 2019, at 11:43, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:41 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > Perhaps Carroll's explanation might help others who've struggled to get > > past Step 3. > > If Jason Resch reads Carroll's book as John Clark has done th

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 21:32, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22:24 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:41, Jason Resch > >> wrote: >> >> Like Max Tegmark, in "Our Mathematical Universe", who described how >> duplication of the person re

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 09:05, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > There is no repeat of universe, only of computations. The universe (the > physical universe) is a statistical illusion/appearance from within > arithmetic

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 05:24, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > wrote: > > > On 9/22/2019 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > every conceivable pattern that is

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 05:20, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 5:43:13 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/22/2019 8:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > This is a consequence also of eternal inflation, and Guth used almost > > identical language saying everything tha

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 03:39, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > On 9/22/2019 3:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > every conceivable pattern that is possible can happen and would

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 00:46, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 5:36 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:39 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 22 Sep 2019, at 17:39, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 09:16, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Ha! Thanks Bruno. I am kind of a physicalist-materialist sort of dude, No problem. Just say “no” to the doctor, and find some “magical” theory of mind if interested in the mind-body problem. > and if these universes ar

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 03:46, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:56:25 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:47, Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > On Thur

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 03:17, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:56:25 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:47, Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:31:18 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 09:49, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:12:12 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson > wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 18, 2

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 06:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with > computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 05:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 4:42 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:52:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/19/2019 2:45 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > Don't you use definitions in physi

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:12:12 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > There is no repeat of universe, only of computations. The universe (the > physical universe) is a statistical illusion/appearance from within > arithmetic (assuming mechanism, and doing the reasoning: it is NOT obv