Re: John Searle on consciousness

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:55:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 28 July 2014 04:51, John Clark > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 AM, LizR > >> wrote: >> >> https://www.ted.com/talks/john_searle_our_shared_condition_consciousness >>> >> >> As the inventor of the Chinese Room, the sin

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:15:10 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinber

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: >> >> PGC, >> >> I am not being critical of Bruno. I just d

Re: It Knows That It Knows

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:16:07 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > On 23 Jul 2014, at 4:33 am, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > > > > To be unconscious is not merely to lose the faculties which make our > quality of life human, but to lose all faculties. > >

Re: It Knows That It Knows

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:26:13 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > A good thinking habit to cultivate is simplicity. Try and make it as > simple as you can. > > Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): > > 1. I know > > 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembe

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > PGC, > > I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is > saying. > My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct. > Bruno's argument to me has been that comp is not correct in 1p.

Re: Chalmers and Consciousness

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:58:46 AM UTC-4, David Nyman wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uhRhtFFhNzQ > > This is a TED video of David Chalmers on the Hard Problem. His basic ideas > will be pretty well known to most of us on this list although > interestingly, h

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

On Friday, July 18, 2014 3:08:40 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:02:18 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> So often it becomes clear to me in debating the issues of consciousness >> that they are missing something which cannot be re

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

On Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:25:07 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: >

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes > to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very litt

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:06:27 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf > > > This test was also originally devised by Well

Re: Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:53:43 AM UTC-4, David Nyman wrote: > > On 16 July 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > but I would say it is very likely that having mindreading-empathy deficits >> on the autistic spectrum would tend to result in a strong b

Gödel of the Gaps

So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to what inputs and outputs are or to the understanding of what truth is in theoretical terms. The possibility of inputs is assu

Autism, Aspbergers, and the Hard Problem

http://www.autism-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TOM-in-TD-and-ASD.pdf This test was also originally devised by Wellman and Estes, and involves asking the child what the brain is for. They found that *normal 3-4 year olds already know that the brain has a set of mental functions*, s

Re: Through The Wormhole Episode

ents, by themselves, are neither true nor false. Logical systems and arithmetic truths cannot be fundamental because their presence in the first place is not true or false. Craig > Samiya > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: > >> Throug

Re: HAL is here!

Nah, just more hype. Telling the judges that the computer was a 13 year old who speaks English as a second language is tampering. Why not say that they are developmentally disabled or a sociopath? No dice. At least they could have used 13 year old judges. On Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:34:10 PM UT

Through The Wormhole Episode

Through the Wormhole: Is God an Alien Concept? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 If you haven’t seen this episode, I highly recommend it. Early on there is an

Re: Top-down causation

It seems much more sensible to me that bottom-up emergence and top-down divergence are poles of a continuum of trans-causal interaction. I would assume that there is also center-out and periphery-in interaction, as well as other kinds of harmonic chords of coincident entanglement/disentanglemen

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:53:57 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 07:01:01PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:34:40 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > > This doesn't follow. An evo

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:59:10 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 19 May 2014 07:37, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> >>> You did not provide evidence that they cannot do that. >>> >> >> His evidence was the negative answer to Hilbert's 1

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

On Monday, May 19, 2014 2:40:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 May 2014, at 21:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> &

Re: Moneybot Singularity

d on the deception but actually produces an honest value for itself and for civilization. Craig > Jason > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> An interesting little thought experiment to consider: Is there a way to >> crea

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

On Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:34:40 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:43:23AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the > > ‘hardware’ of our Universe > > > > I saw his

Re: Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:56:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 May 2014, at 17:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the > ‘hardware’ of our Universe > > I saw his poster presentation at the TSC

Re: Moneybot Singularity

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:18:15 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 16 May 2014 08:29, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: >> >>> Craig: >>> beautiful reply, appreciate your understanding and explanation

Free Will Universe Model - James Tagg

Free Will Universe Model: Non-computability and its relationship to the ‘hardware’ of our Universe I saw his poster presentation at the TSC conference in Tucson and thought it was pretty impressive. I'm not qualified to comment on the math, but I don't see any obvious problems with his general

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:20:24 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 May 2014, at 22:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > O

Re: Video of VCR

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:06:00 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 16 May 2014 08:22, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>&

Re: Moneybot Singularity

that one from by blog so it is more pop-friendly than I probably would have made it for this list. Applying 'singularity' to the growth of technology is pretty weak, I agree. I guess someone decided it needed a super-amazing name. > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Craig Weinbe

Re: Video of VCR

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:19:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 May 2014, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 May 2014, at 03:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: >

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 May 2014, at 03:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I'm showing that authenticity can be empirically demonstrated, and that > the failure of logic to detect the significance of authenticit

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:25:09 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 14, 2014, LizR > wrote: > > Comp isn't really a theory, so testing it is a bit problematic. It's >> "just" a logical argument which purports to show the consequences of taking >> seriously the idea that brain

Re: Moneybot Singularity

hat each frame of reference, each experience has a germ of unrepeatable and proprietary novelty which is in direct opposition to computationalist axioms. The universe invented numbers from 100% free will, even though we might, as human beings, be nested so deeply within the numbered and struct

Moneybot Singularity

An interesting little thought experiment to consider: Is there a way to create a program or AI moneybot which can figure out how to make more money on the internet than it costs? I see this as a sneaky way to get at the trans-computable nature of consciousness as it brings up issues about the

Re: Video of VCR

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:56:53 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:43:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >

Re: Video of VCR

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:43:16 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 May 2014, at 03:10,

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > We don't know that. It could be the case that all detections used by the > abstraction of the universal machine are done by the sensory substrate

Re: Video of VCR

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 May 2014, at 21:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:53:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 May 2014, at 21:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >

Re: God is an atheist!

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:45:32 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >>> >>

Re: God is an atheist!

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona > > > wrote: > > >> In this -single universe- context, the fine tuning of the physical >> constants are miracles by the way, so the hypothesis is true. >> > > I tend to

Re: Video of VCR

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:53:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 May 2014, at 21:38, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:26:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Then you can study how to define sequence in that theory. > > &g

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:12:45 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 3 May 2014 09:39, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:07:13 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >> > Do you believe that mathematical truths are true independent of mind? >>> >> I&

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:26:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 May 2014, at 14:27, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 3, 2014 3:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 May 2014, at 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >

Re: Video of VCR

On Saturday, May 3, 2014 3:53:48 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 May 2014, at 23:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:15:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 01 May 2014, at 20:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:15:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 May 2014, at 20:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinbe

Re: Video of VCR

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:07:13 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On 2 May 2014 04:42, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 16 Apr 201

Re: Video of VCR

are in some > measure truthful...Richard Ruquist 20140501 > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 16 Apr 201

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > What generates Platonia? > > > > Nothing generates Platonia, although addition and multiplication can > generate the comp-relevant part

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:46:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Apr 2014, at 21:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> It seems like I just gave a perfectly legitimate, clear, and co

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:46:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Apr 2014, at 21:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Apr 2014, at 21:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >

Re: Video of VCR

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:21:41 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Apr 2014, at 21:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> > > >> That my sun in law might not be a zomb

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:44:32 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated >> from synesthesia caused by psychadelics. >> >> Telmo. >> >> >> I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a refere

Re: Video of VCR

; > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Bruno Marchal > > wrote: > > > On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Can sense not be allowed to represent itself in your court of argument? > > > > That is a very good idea. > > That is qui

Re: Video of VCR

continued On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > and say that it is computation which is more likely derived from > > awareness rather than the other way around, an

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:44:37 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 11 Apr 2014, at 20:30, Craig Wei

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:32:19 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > We know that we

Re: Video of VCR

On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2014, at 20:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > His mind is reverse engineered from mind-like circuits that again > represent nothing else. The mind *is* the circuit. For a natural person, &g

Re: Video of VCR

On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:24:03 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2014, at 20:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:16:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 12 Apr 2014, at 4:47 am, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Interesting, Professor Marchal. From what I have read some lucid dreamers > can actually feel the metal top of a car, or the feel of a wooden fence as > the dream 'walks'

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:16:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Craig, > > > > I have already

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:51:40 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>>&g

Re: Video of VCR

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Craig, > > I have already commented that type of non-argument. Once we get closer to > a refutation of your attempt to show that your argument against comp is not > valid, you vindicate being illogical, > I don't vindicat

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since their >> presence or absence is irrelevant to behavior. >> > >

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:47:01 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:51:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 9 April 2014 04:

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:42:18 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 Apr 2014, at 22:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Another part 2 > > On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 05 A

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:58:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 Apr 2014, at 21:33, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:51:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 9 April 2014 04:58, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Monday, April 7, 2014 11:03:35 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >> >>> There is an element of this in all evolutionary explanations, but only >>> u

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Monday, April 7, 2014 11:03:35 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 8 April 2014 09:41, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>> >>> 2014-04-07 22:25 GMT+02:00 Craig Weinberg : >>> >>&g

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > > > > 2014-04-07 22:25 GMT+02:00 Craig Weinberg > >: > >> >> >> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:45:35 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>> >>> Probably you saw people

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:13:27 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Apr 2014, at 07:13, Russell Standish wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 05:42:10AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote: > >> > >> > >> Finally you got to it. It was a precognitive dream. I have had > >> many, an enormous numb

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:45:35 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > Probably you saw people visiting houses in your neighbourhood, but > that did not reached consciousnees you were busy thinking about other > things. (I will not insert here these funny videos of people failing > to recogniz

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:44 AM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 05:42:10AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > > > Finally you got to it. It was a precognitive dream. I have had many, an > enormous number throughout my life in fact, so I don't think we need to > be

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:42:10 PM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > On 6 Apr 2014, at 2:23 am, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > It's just showing you that your awareness extends beyond your personal > definition of here and now > > > > Finally you go

Re: Video of VCR

Another part 2 On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I keep explaining that arithmetic

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:13:09 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Apr 2014, at 19:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > O

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Logic is just required to be able to argue with others, a

Re: Video of VCR

On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:07:47 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:34:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Apr 2014, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:35:26 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 5 April 2014 15:10, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy comin

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the > door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit weird, as in > most dreams, but that was the gist of it - I sent him away, saying "no > thanks we d

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:00:54 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Apr 2014, at 21:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I believe you, but all of the laws and creativity can still only occur in > the context of a sense making experience. > > > Did I ever said t

Re: My model re Comp and Life re the Everything

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:21:29 PM UTC-4, Hal Ruhl wrote: > > Hi everyone: > > I am currently interested in two questions: > > Does my model of why there are dynamic universes within the Everything > [latest version is below] include Bruno's Comp? Hi Bruno. > > If life is inherently sel

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:35:18 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 27 March 2014 04:00, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >&g

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:42:03 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Mar 2014, at 21:36, Craig Weinberg wro

Re: Video of VCR

On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:19:35 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 25 March 2014 02:59, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> If you are living, you already understand what living is. >> > > Are you telling me a potato plant - which is undeniably alive - > unders

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:42:03 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Mar 2014, at 21:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2 > > > Come on, the guy believe in Aristotelian theology, clearly

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

that he does not insist that the evidence is valid, only that there are increasingly high quality studies which contradict the narrow, normative view of consciousness. He is not wrong. > Unconvincing. > Unsubstantiated criticism. Craig > > On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:36:43

Re: Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:13:26 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On 25 March 2014 07:36, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > >> http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2 >> > > > He could make similar arguments claimi

Nova Spivack on 'Consciousness is More Fundamental Than Computation'

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Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:49:48 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Continued... > > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg

Re: Video of VCR

Continued... On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 4:44:20 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Mar 2014, at 02:28, Craig Weinbe

Re: Modality Independence

On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:11:17 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the >> assumptions from which CTM and o

Re: Modality Independence

On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:04:46 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:48:30 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: >>> >>> >>> On T

Re: Modality Independence

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: >> >> >>> It

Re: Modality Independence

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:44 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: >>> >>> >&

Re: Modality Independence

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:05:08 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 20 March 2014 15:25, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> It means that birds squawk because they like the feeling and sound of it. >> The intention of using the squawking to convey information is optional an

Re: Modality Independence

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > > On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:33 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO... >> > > It took several minutes of Googling to find a plaus

Modality Independence

Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_speech > A striking feature of language is that it is modality-independent. Should > an impaired child be prevented from hearing or producing sound, its innate > capacity to master a language may equally find exp

Re: Video of VCR

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:02:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I'm mirroring back to you what my impression is of what you say to me. I > say it is obvious that machines are impersonal, cold, mechanical, and tha

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:31:32 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Mar 2014, at 18:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I don't think it needs to be an experience to compute though. In real life > it does need to be an experience, because I think that it is the experi

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