Leibniz on interactions between body and soul (mind)

2013-03-26 Thread Roger Clough
esis lxxxii). Thus the monad is not really a monarch, but a subject of God's Kingdom, which is the universe, "the true city of God". Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/26/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this messag

Leibniz's cosmology and definition of life

2013-03-26 Thread Roger Clough
divinity in that it alone can perceive (and perceive the universe of monads) and perform actions among them. Thus each monad in effect can perceive the universxe indirecty and is continuously aware of all of the actions and states of the universe. - Roger Clough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/26

The Penrose incomputability issue: Is the universe a closed system ? Is materialism logically possible ?

2013-03-23 Thread Roger Clough
admission that creatiion requires a Creator. r. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/23/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubs

Leibniz and this nonlocal, relativistic world

2013-03-22 Thread Roger Clough
f the other monads in the universe imperfectly -- to various degrees of clarity and distortedness. The physical world itself is perceived by each monad in the usual way, through the senses of the homunculus in each monad. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/22/2013 "Coincidences are Go

Synchronicity in Leibniz, Jung and Sheldrake

2013-03-21 Thread Roger Clough
minated by the most powerful meanings, whatever that mean sin a Darwinian sense. Meanings arwe in some ways similar to relational quauntum histories, Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/21/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this

Think of the brain as one airport among many, the mind(s) as national air traffic.

2013-03-19 Thread Roger Clough
Think of the brain as one airport among many, the mind(s) as national air traffic. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/19/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &

My genealogy is now online

2013-03-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi My Genealogy (down from John and Jane Clough, who came to Plymouth Bay Colony in 1635) is Now Online at http://www.academia.edu/3044786/My_Genealogy_--_Roger_Bristol_Clough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/18/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert

Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-18 Thread Roger Clough
Since mind is an MQS or Multiple Quantum Superposition, it can process information at the rate of a quantum computer. - Roger Clough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/18/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this message

The mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi michael haaheim Since mind is a MQS or Multiple Quantum Superposition, it can process information at the rate of a quantum computer. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/18/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein - Receiving the fo

My Genealogy is Now Online

2013-03-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi My Genealogy (down from John and Jane Clough, who came to Plymouth Bay Colony in 1635) is Now Online at http://www.academia.edu/3044786/My_Genealogy_--_Roger_Bristol_Clough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/18/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." -

Re: Re: A Consistent QM Histories explanation of synchronicity andSheldrake's morphisms.

2013-03-17 Thread Roger Clough
e are perceiving. So consciousness consists of a pair-- a subject plus an object. Neither one is fundamentally a piece of matte, because fundamentally everythuing according to QM is just a quantum field. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/17/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonym

A Consistent QM Histories explanation of synchronicity and Sheldrake's morphisms.

2013-03-16 Thread Roger Clough
with a current event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3he4YHDjizo Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/16/2013 "Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous." - Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" g

A holographic mind is possible if each neuron is a monad.

2013-03-06 Thread Roger Clough
the dominant monad of the mind, but from the point of view of a each monad. Leibniz uses the phrase "reflected by each monad". Hence the idea of holography comes to mind. For a more complete descri;ption see http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-mind/ Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.

Leibniz's monads consistent with holographic perception and memory

2013-03-06 Thread Roger Clough
research in the late twentieth century suggested that the structure of memory in the human mind is holo-graphic. Thus, for instance, a patient suffering an injury affecting 90% of the brain experiences only a 10% memory loss. " Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/6/2013 "Coinciden

Here is a fairly brief clear account of Leibniz's phil of mind written by himself.

2013-03-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Here is a fairly brief, clear, account of Leibniz's phil of mind written by himself. Probably best to print it, but Adobe won't read it, so you\ can use the print icron to the upper right hand corner of the page. Landscape orientation works best. http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/pdf/leibpri

The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect theory of mind

2013-03-03 Thread Roger Clough
The roles of efficient causation and final causation in the double aspect theory of mind The double aspect theory of mind considers the brain and its actions according to two aspects, the brain and the mind. There is no assignment of causation, there is only correlation. Leibniz's metaphysics, o

Physical acts are efficiently caused, mental acts are driven by final causes

2013-03-02 Thread Roger Clough
The argument below, based on the metaphysics of Leibniz, suggests that a) Mental acts such as thinking are primarily driven by final causes, while b) The actions of physical bodies are primarily driven by efficient causation. [The current heated debate as to whether evolution is purposeful o

Why physics is not physical

2013-03-01 Thread Roger Clough
f physical bodies. These include force mass temperature momentum Kant pointed out, in addition, that space and time are only mental intuitions. So I might add distance time to the above list. If not phenomenol, time and distance are known to be relative quantities since Einstein. - Roger Clou

Fw: [Mind and Brain] News: Brain-to-brain interface allows transmission oftactile and motor information between rats

2013-03-01 Thread Roger Clough
- Have received the following content - Sender: Robert Karl Stonjek Receiver: Psychiatry-Research,Cognitive NeuroScience,Mind and Brain Time: 2013-03-01, 00:21:49 Subject: [Mind and Brain] News: Brain-to-brain interface allows transmission oftactile and motor information between rats

On Perception-- A description of the Perceiver provided by Leibniz, unique in western philosophy

2013-02-27 Thread Roger Clough
Hi - Roger Clough Peception -which involves the final, recognition step of epistemology- is impossible without the Perceiver, which might be thought of as the end entity that stops the infinite regress implied by the necessity of a homunculus within a homunculus within a homunculus...etc

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message

Life after death. Publish your book or papers on the internet for free

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
For what it's worth, here are two places on the internet to publish your papers for free. Then they will appear to others on a Google search. You don't even need to do that. You can just post your resume or bibliography on any yahoogroup googlegroup posting. If you Google up anything about Le

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message

A note for materialists -- that which perceives cannot be perceived

2013-02-26 Thread Roger Clough
A note for materialists. That which perceives cannot be perceived. It is, sotospeak, hidden in plain sight. It is what is reading and interpreting this email. The searcher cannot find himself, for he is doing the searching. The tao which is spoken is not the tao. -- You received this message be

the mental is simply any intentional act by the brain

2013-02-25 Thread Roger Clough
Definitions consciousness or mind or mental or thinking = any intentional act by the brain Perception is also an intentional act which might be called "thinking about sensory information" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

The contents of mind according to Leibniz

2013-02-22 Thread Roger Clough
e = innate knowledge (platonic, necessary truths) + stored knowledge stored knowledge = knowledge as descriptions (ideas) + empirical knowledge empirical knowledge = knowledge obtained through the senses (faded impressions as in Hume) [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 2/22/2013 "Fo

a self-generating universe

2013-02-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everything-list The way I see it, as an Idealist, is that the universe is composed only of numbers, possibly based on the two idempotent numbers, 0 and 1 (yin and yang). I suppose I could call 0 an uncreated number, since it consists of nothing, and 1 something created, and these two then com

Sheldrake's Morphic resonance in terms of Leibniz 2-13-13

2013-02-15 Thread Roger Clough
according to the PEH. Morphism. A potential transformation. - The concepts discussed here are modified forms of those found in http://www.uky.edu/~look/8899403.pdf , which is a treatise on the meanings of "domination" and "subordination" in Leibn

For athjeists and other seekers of truth; Willard Quine on Truth

2013-02-15 Thread Roger Clough
http://www.scaruffi.com/phi/quine.html Synopsis: Purely analythic truths do not exist: all truth depends on both language and facts Even Logic and Mathematics are, ultimately, empirical A statement alone cannot be verified: only the totality of statements (science in its totality) can be veri

Re: Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
-list Time: 2013-02-05, 11:18:49 Subject: Re: context, comp, and multiverses On 05 Feb 2013, at 16:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If comp is assumed, then we need not worry about consequences of emulation, it's a given that it works. Then what is the purpose of this discus

Fw: RE: The internet takeover

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Perhaps I have misinterpreted what I hear on the news, maybe I'm just paranoid, but... The president has said that the internet is a RIGHT, so everyone must have it, which means to him of course that the govt must supply the country with wi-fi. I suspect that that will put internet suppliers out

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net To say that nature is absurd is to say that our current understanding of nature --materialism-- is wrong. - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-02-05, 06:43:51 Subject: Science is a religion by its

Re: Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Anything that has a purpose is teleological. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-05, 07:53:22 Subject: Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success Hi, ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the

Re: Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Kim Jones Life seems to be the only thing in the universe that has purpose-- which is, or course, to create more life. - Receiving the following content - From: Kim Jones Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-05, 02:59:01 Subject: Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success S

Re: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Kim Jones I thought that black holes destroy rather than create. That only life can create. - Receiving the following content - From: Kim Jones Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-02-05, 02:16:59 Subject: Lee Smolin and Darwin's Uncommon Success http://io9.com/5981472/what-i

Re: Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
32:01 Subject: Re: context, comp, and multiverses Hi Roger, On 04 Feb 2013, at 16:43, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Brunio, I agree with Craig. And I've never understood how there can be any consequence of an emulation, or how it can be proven or not that comp works, since no comparison can be made.

Re: Re: Topical combination

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
pical combination On 2/4/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:30, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Mikes ? It says ? "The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the Universe that allows for science and theology to explore the wonders of creation in p

Re: Re: Again, why the triad is necessary--> 1p, 2p,and 3p as types of knowledge

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Garbage in, garbage out. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-04, 17:19:36 Subject: Re: Again, why the triad is necessary--> 1p, 2p,and 3p as types of knowledge Hi Roger, 1p/3p is a label for a v

Re: Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
ote: On Monday, February 4, 2013 9:59:09 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:11:17 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Feb 2013, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal ? I would think that eac

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch "God" is a word, and the meanings of words are established by use. So the word "God" can mean whatever you intend it to mean. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-04, 22:12:54 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LI

On matter as an illusion: two different interpretations.

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Indeed, Plato, just as Leibniz did, considered the idea of matter more real than matter itself.\ Both considered matter, however, somewhat differently. While Plato called it an illusion, Leibniz and Kant called it (as perceived) phenomenological, presumably because an illusio

Re: Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-04, 11:43:07 Subject: Re: multiverses and quantum computers On 01 Feb 2013, at 19:26, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno, I can't see that superposition of states is any more magical in one universe than, say, multiple roots to an equation, or imaginary

Re: Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Your concept is incomplete, because geometry is what Plato called forms, which he gave the Greek name of ideas. So you have a thought without a thinker. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-04, 15

Again, why the triad is necessary--> 1p, 2p, and 3p as types of knowledge

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
done. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 11:35:50 Subject: Re: Why Peirce's triad is more complete than 1p->3p On 01 Feb 2013, at 18:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Good. And I should have said, rather than "I

Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
g Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, February 2, 2013 6:05:53 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I don't really understand how people can object to the idea of physical/mechanical intelligence now that we live in a world where we're surrounded by it. Google searches, computers

Downward vs upward causation

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net That mind creates the brain is Platonism, control from above, downward causation. Materialism or Aristotelianism is control from below, "upward causation", which is completely unnatural and problematic, and why it has to invoke the magic of "emergentism" in its struggle u

Re: Re: Plotinus vs Aquinas

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
bject: Re: Plotinus vs Aquinas On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:18, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal How can numbers understandi anything ? Do they have a mind ? They have a mind relatively to the universal numbers which implement them, like a computer has a mind relatively to a possible univ

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
ntent - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 09:37:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up

Re: Re: context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
b 2013, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal ? I would think that each universe provides its own distinctive context to any?alculation, including comp. Comp is the assumption that we are Turing emulable. That notion is made very solid by Church's thesis. I don't think tha

ontology of the physical, the mathematical, and the mind

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
at we see, with his causalities, his time, his 3d space, his macroscopical laws, is a product of the mind when he contemplate the mathematical structure from inside. 2013/2/3 Roger Clough Hi Alberto G. Corona My understanding is that the block universe is the physical universe, so it doe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
-02-03, 07:19:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Roger, I think the block universe (not quite accurate terminology) is actually the 4-dimensional quantum mind and in it is written all possible futures and pasts based on comp and quantum mechanics as well as info on what

Re: Topical combination

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes It says "The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the Universe that allows for science and theology to explore the wonders of creation in peaceful unison.' IMHO that is completely misguided, because the worlds they understand are separate magisteria, to use Step

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
ne it). 2013/2/2 Roger Clough Hi Alberto G. Corona Does your version of mind actually do anything ? - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 04:43:54 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe I do think that a

Re: Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 08:59:44 Subject: Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ? Hi Roger, On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Agreed, computers can be, or at least seem to be, intelligent, but they are slaves to mathematical codes,

Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
llowing content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-02-02, 08:52:43 Subject: Re: How can intelligence be physical ? On Feb 2, 10:02?m, "Roger Clough" wrote: > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net and Craig, and all, > > How can intelligence ?e phys

A state with more than one governor ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
(the president) to provide a legislative vision and to sign or not sign a bill. Leibniz's system seems to act "as if" each monad is free to do as it wishes, but that is only apparent. Above or among the monads must be just one supreme monad that does all of the actual perceiving and

Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2013-02-02, 06:05:53 Subject: Re: How can intelligence be physical ? Hi Roger, I don't really understand how people can object to the idea of physical/mechanical intelligence now that we live in a world where we're surrounded by it. Google searches, computers that can beat the

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
communicate and agree, on these laws and these experiences. 2013/1/31 Roger Clough Hi Bruno Marchal The block universe is the physical universe. So we are not part of it, for it does not allow subjectivity, which is nonphysical. Or mathematics or comp, which are also nonphysical

How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net and Craig, and all, How can intelligence be physical ? How can meaning be physical ? How can thinking be physical ? How can knowing be physical ? How can life or consciousness or free will be physical ? IMHO You need to consider what is really going on: http://plato.sta

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb God is not in spacetime, which is extended, so he doesn't physically exist. He is intelligence, etc., which is not extended, exists beyond spacetime, and is nonphysical. You don't have to think of God as a person, or believe in any "fairy tales" (whatever they are, I don't know) unle

Re: Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Fine. - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 16:54:48 Subject: Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:30:39AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: >

Re: Re: Mathematical Multiverse

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Sorry, I don't have a copy of your book. - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 16:52:09 Subject: Re: Mathematical Multiverse On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:

Separating science from politics

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
nd and Brain] The El Nino, not auto fumes, is the main driver of global temperatures. - Original Message - From: Roger Clough To: everything-list ; - mindbr...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Will.Steffen ; Nico.Grasselt ; gerstengarbe Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:42 PM Subject: [Mi

That entropy is nonphysical (being a measure of information) while energy in the brain is physical (thermal)

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Roger Clough F = U - TS points out a curious relationship between information, which is nonphysical, mental and part of mind, hence S, and energy U or F , which is physical so part of the brain. - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: - mindbr

Re: Re: Is God created ?

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Perhaps you can just define or describe compactification in general terms. Is it compactification of dimensions ? - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 13:30:36 Subject: Re: Is God created ? On Fri,

Re: Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
nezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 03:46:32 Subject: Re: multiverses and quantum computers Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited kno

Re: Re: multiverses and quantum computers

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
no Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, a quantum has infinite paths available between points A and B without invoking another universe. Once we are able to use (classical) information obtain

Life in Leibniz/Platonia

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
t: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe On 31 Jan 2013, at 09:38, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The block universe is the physical universe. So we are not part of it, for it does not allow subjectivity, which is nonphysical. Or mathematics or comp, which are also nonphysical. But you

Why Peirce's triad is more complete than 1p->3p

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
an aether ? On 30 Jan 2013, at 11:55, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Theology is an objective, derivative. human pursuit based on reason, and reason, acccording to my Lutheran beliefs, being objective (3p), cannot be free of error. OK. Only the consciousness root of our subjectivity

There are no reasons to believe in God

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal There are no reasons to believe in God any more than there were reasons, as an infant, to trust your mother. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 10:12:53 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIA

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Feynman was wrong. Life isn't physics, it's intelligence or consciousness, free will. - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-30, 22:06:54 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. Quantu

The faith of a child has no reason

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Faith (trust) is a gift from God, you can't do anything about it except to accept or reject the gift. As a child, you didn't have to decide whether to trust your mother, you just did. And for no reason. - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Gu

Re: Re: Is God created ?

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
eated ? That just semantics. In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the compactification of space dimensions. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Kim > > God is not himself created since the creator of all cannot create himself > and still

An entity is a substance or monad, by Leibniz's definition

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
e per entity is unjustified. On 1/31/2013 8:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one universe is unjustified. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 12:10:08 Subject: Re: About the Infinite Repet

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
whose canonical description can be associated with some kind of fixed point theorem. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: IMHO more than one universe per entity is unjustified. On 1/31/2013 8:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one univer

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
than one universe per entity is unjustified. On 1/31/2013 8:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one universe is unjustified. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 12:10:08 Subject: Re: About the

The One as universal, active memory (the Cosmic Octopus theory explaining Sheldrake)

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
e, my cosmology turns out to be a giant cosmic octopus, knowing all and doing all. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 13:09:07 Subject: Re: The least and best means of controlling gun violence Hi Roger, We ca

Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Nothing human is off-topic to me. Which suggests that materialism and brain science are off-topic. - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 11:29:36 Subject: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic p

Re: Mathematical Multiverse

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
-0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > I have no problem with the idea that the universe is sort of ultimately > mathematical, except that equations by themselves can't > do anything except just be there. So nothing can happen. > All you have is an a priori. This

context, comp, and multiverses

2013-02-01 Thread Roger Clough
-list Time: 2013-01-31, 10:15:20 Subject: Re: multiverses and quantum computers On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, a quantum has infinite paths available between points A and B without invoking another universe.

multiverses and quantum computers

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
1, 08:13:30 Subject: Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Hi Roger, In the one universe model, where does the extra computational power of quantum computers come from? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one univer

Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish I have no problem with the idea that the universe is sort of ultimately mathematical, except that equations by themselves can't do anything except just be there. So nothing can happen. All you have is an a priori. The other problem I have is that such a universe as you propo

Re: Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes It didn't feel good. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 17:45:12 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry Roger: it is obvious that you have not understa

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes IMHO more than one universe is unjustified. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 12:10:08 Subject: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Hi Roger, I find it harder to believe in

Re: Re: The least and best means of controlling gun violence

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder. So they are collective. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 13:44:45 Subject: Re: The least and best means of controlling gun viol

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Faith is a gift we are unworthy of. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 Subject: Re: Re: Hateful Hi Roger, What else is it? If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can

Is God created ?

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Kim God is not himself created since the creator of all cannot create himself and still remain a creator. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 13:19:48 Subject: Re: Hateful On 30 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote: >

All you need to know about creationism and naturalism

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being. Metaphysical naturalism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are NOT the creation of a supernatural being. -- You received this message because you are

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal The block universe is the physical universe. So we are not part of it, for it does not allow subjectivity, which is nonphysical. Or mathematics or comp, which are also nonphysical. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time

How can we reestablish moral values in our homes, our schools, and in the media ?

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
How can we reestablish moral values in our homes, our schools, and in the media ? How about starting with the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)? To tell you the truth, that covers about everything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Go

The least and best means of controlling gun violence

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ? By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. What is the most powerful means ? By restablishing moral values in our homes, in our schools and in the media. -- You received this message because you are subscr

Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Considering religion as a stabilizing social phenomenon is true, but that's not all it is. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 10:22:37 Subject: Re: Hateful Personally, my take on religion is that it h

rorty on science

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
If you want to throw darts, consider Richard Rorty. Rorty, now retired, is a pragmatist who broke with rationality in his "The Mirror of Nature" and who was once a Big Bad darling of mine when I was an agnostic leftist, once recomnmended that science be read as literature. -- You received this

Re: No Wonder philosophers suck!

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Even Wittgenstein, who invented logical positivism, soon abandoned it and spent the rest of his life showing why it doesn't work. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 00:32:44 Subject: No Wonder philo

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net God is life, consciousness and intelligence, not a triangle with three sides. - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-29, 02:33:15 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. .Everybody creat

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Consciousness is not a force that might do things. It is what allows us to perceive and know things. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-29, 20:39:40 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe On

Re: A real Cyborg

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Cool. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-29, 16:57:18 Subject: A real Cyborg http://vimeo.com/51920182 Comments? -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

1p is like the tao

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Here is where neuroscience can learn something from taoism. 1p is like the tao in that it isn't even indeterminant. Indeterminacy is an objective property, meaning to others, but 1p is subjective, it is like the tao, an opening, like an input port. A receptacle. We person

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The subjective universe is like the tao. Whatever is said about the tao is not the tao. So not to worry. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-29, 15:44:06 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. O

The Block Universe cannot exist

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
IMHO the Block Universe problem is pointless, since it only discusses the objective, physical universe. But the discusser belongs to the subjective nonphysical universe. The discusser, at base 1p, is subjective, hence nonphysical. - Receiving the following content - From: Stathis

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