Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 04 Feb 2015, at 06:02, Samiya Illias wrote: On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then reason shows that arithmetic is already full of life, indeed full of an infinity of universal machines competing to provide your infinitely many relatively consistent continuations

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 03 Feb 2015, at 06:54, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: > On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wr

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 03 Feb 2015, at 06:54, Samiya Illias wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wrote: On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wrote: >> >> On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wrote: > > On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> There is a difference bet

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 02 Feb 2015, at 06:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wrote: On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR wrote: There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being convinced you k

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> On 02-Feb-2015, at 6:12 am, LizR wrote: > >> On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR wrote: >>> There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism >>> and being convinced you know the truth and that everyon

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 2 February 2015 at 00:15, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR wrote: > >> There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of >> agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else >> is wrong. >> > > Hmm... > Someday, I hope and p

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:22:40PM -0800, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > Ten divided by three is a computable number, Turing meant something else by a > non-computable number. There are algorithms that will allow you to compute a > decimal that is arbitrarily close to 10

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 31 Jan 2015, at 11:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): Why not define

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Where do I insult your faith? >> > > I should have phrased it as 'my expression of faith' and not 'my faith'. I > do not say that you

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 PM, LizR wrote: > There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of > agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else > is wrong. > Hmm... Someday, I hope and pray, when you're blessed with faith, perhaps you'll understand me.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >> multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Here is someone who knows a thing or two giving his opinion on God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428&v=-suvkwNYSQo&x-yt-cl=85114404 "As god once said - and I believe rightly..." -- Margaret Thatcher -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

There is a difference between advancing a theory in a spirit of agnosticism and being convinced you know the truth and that everyone else is wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >>> mu

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:23 AM, John Mikes wrote: > On Jan 29 2015 Samiya wrote: > * " Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and > Everything Else that is or may exist?" * > > Excellent proposal for a *DEFINING*. Now that carries a question: if you > 'define God (Allah

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >> multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Kierkegaard complained about

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Kierkegaard complained about this with his own Religion, the Christians. > Maybe all religions suffer from this as there is vanity in assu

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> On 01-Feb-2015, at 1:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> This theologian stays true to more scientific attitude of ignorance in face >>> of the unknown. >>> >>> Alhazen described his theology: "I c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Jan 29 2015 Samiya wrote: * " Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and Everything Else that is or may exist?" * Excellent proposal for a *DEFINING*. Now that carries a question: if you 'define God (Allah?) as the smartest and best Creator and Sustainer, why do you p

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> This theologian stays true to more scientific attitude of ignorance in >>> face of the unknown. >>> >>> Alhazen described his

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > >> This theologian stays true to more scientific attitude of ignorance in >> face of the unknown. >> >> Alhazen described his theology: "I constantly sought knowledge and truth, >> and it became my belief that for gaining access to the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> >> That is due to selective literalism, that you can do with any piece of >> literature or code of law, and conveniently blame it o

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (t

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:14 PM, David Nyman wrote: > On 29 January 2015 at 10:12, Samiya Illias wrote: > >> Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and >>> Everything Else that is or may exist? >>> >>> Very good, and common, definition. It is in most of my theological >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 29 January 2015 at 10:12, Samiya Illias wrote: > Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and >> Everything Else that is or may exist? >> >> Very good, and common, definition. It is in most of my theological >> dictionaries. Note that the Universe is itself among the thi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > That is due to selective literalism, that you can do with any piece of > literature or code of law, and conveniently blame it on the author. > That's the problem with literalism though. It's always selective, when language is often l

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): >> >> >> Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of th

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 29 Jan 2015, at 21:50, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> The "01" appearing above is supposed to be an initial segment of one sequence, >> OK, you gave me 2 elements, but what's the third element in this uncountably infinitely long sequen

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> The "01" appearing above is supposed to be an initial segment of one >> sequence, > > >> >> OK, you gave me 2 elements, but what's the third element in this >> uncountably infinitely long sequence of yours? > > > > I have never pretende

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? Tronnies may explain pi's precision.

On 28 Jan 2015, at 19:43, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > Note that a theory which would requires nature to exploit infinite precision would entail the falsity of computationalism. Yes, and if the theory was correct it would also prove that the Real Number

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 29 Jan 2015, at 11:12, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and Everything Else that is or may exist? Very good, and c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 28 Jan 2015, at 18:33, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > Cantor brought the contradiction by assuming there is a bijection between N and the set of infinite binary sequences Yes, and then he showed that such an assumption was incorrect by producing a infi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): > > > Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and > Everything Else that is or may exist? > > > Very good, and common, definition. It is in most of my theolo

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:44 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? Tronnies may explain pi's precision.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > Note that a theory which would requires nature to exploit infinite > precision would entail the falsity of computationalism. > Yes, and if the theory was correct it would also prove that the Real Numbers are really real. John K Clark -- You recei

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Cantor brought the contradiction by assuming there is a bijection > between N and the set of infinite binary sequences > Yes, and then he showed that such an assumption was incorrect by producing a infinite binary sequence that did not correspond

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and Everything Else that is or may exist? Very good, and common, definition. It is in most of my theological dictionaries. Note that the Universe is itself among the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 24 Jan 2015, at 19:22, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 09:55:19AM -0800, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2015 12:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you see the relationship between Gödel's second incompleteness theorem and the modal formula <>t -> ~[] <>t? I don't see it, becaus

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 28 Jan 2015, at 08:21, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 26 Jan 2015, at 23:54, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > We cannot generate algorithmically a random sequence, but we can generate algorithmically all random sequence, thanks to the fact that the in the sequence 0 and 1 we already generate the correct dig

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? Tronnies may explain pi's precision.

On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:55, LizR wrote: I must admit I am a little suspicious of a theory that requires nature to exhibit infinite precision. Note that a theory which would requires nature to exploit infinite precision would entail the falsity of computationalism. The apparent existence of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? Tronnies may explain pi's precision.

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RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sun, Jan

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > We cannot generate algorithmically a random sequence, but we can generate > algorithmically all random sequence, thanks to the fact that the in the > sequence > > 0 > and > 1 > we already generate the correct digit "0" of the 2^aleph_zero random > sequ

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I agree it is devilishly hard to produce a truly random stream and a lot > of brain power has gone into trying to do so, because of the strategic > importance of doing so. It's not merely

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 26 Jan 2015, at 04:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > The very simple operation of defining the square root of two generates an -- (as far as we know infinitely extending) – number stream that is characterized by a high degree

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

TC-5, cdemorsella wrote: From: everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto:everyth...@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 9:52 PM To: everyth...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? Roger: It's possible that what we se

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

egroups.com [mailto:everyth...@googlegroups.com ] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 9:52 PM To: everyth...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in s

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some > other computer. > > > And thus in arithmetic, which can be proved to emulate all computers, on > all programs, on all input. This is standard knowledge for logicians, but > not always well known by non-logicians. I

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sun, Jan

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

y 24, 2015 9:52 PM > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum > theory to dialectics? > > > > > > > > Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some > othe

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > The very simple operation of defining the square root of two generates an > -- (as far as we know infinitely extending) – number stream that is > characterized by a high degree of randomness.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/24/2015 11:57 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: I pity those observers, and feel that no matter how many resources they brought to bear in trying to discover the meaning of this mysterious numeric communication coming through their inter-dimensional portal… that they would

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 25 Jan 2015, at 09:45, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark wrote: >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 25 Jan 2015, at 06:52, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some other computer. But, even if we are a simulation, the simulation that is us exists as does the computer and the code we're a simulation in. My thinki

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 25 Jan 2015, at 05:47, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: The starting question is this: are you OK with the idea that we would not see any difference from our first person point of view with an artificial digital brain (copying the brain at some level of description). Putting him rou

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 24 Jan 2015, at 18:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2015 12:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you see the relationship between Gödel's second incompleteness theorem and the modal formula <>t -> ~[] <>t? I don't see it, because I don't understand what <>t means. In a modal logic, you can

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and if you add up >>> enough of them you'd get the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi; >>> but it assumes that there is no

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:4

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 9:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? Roger: It's possible

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some > other computer. But, even if we are a simulation, the simulation that is > us exists as does the computer and the code we're a simulation in. My > thinking is aimed at trying to figure out there are existent ent

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? The starting question is this

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > > The starting question is this: are you OK with the idea that we would not > see any difference from our first person point of view with an artificial > digital brain (copying the brain at some level of description). Putting him > roughly: do you accept the idea that the brain is a sort of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and if you add up >> enough of them you'd get the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi; >> but it assumes that there is no barrier that makes doing that impossible >> and states that as

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 P

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 09:55:19AM -0800, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/24/2015 12:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >Do you see the relationship between Gödel's second incompleteness > >theorem and the modal formula > > > ><>t -> ~[] <>t? > > I don't see it, because I don't understand what <>t means. t

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/24/2015 12:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do you see the relationship between Gödel's second incompleteness theorem and the modal formula <>t -> ~[] <>t? I don't see it, because I don't understand what <>t means. t is a tautology, the negation of a contradiction. Yet you seem to use

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 24 Jan 2015, at 10:30, Quentin Anciaux wrote: You're twisting words again... you cannot be both agnostic and a believer... from what you wrote here and the fundamental inability to doubt god by the way you constantly redifine it to always be the goal of the theory and true by definition

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 24 Jan 2015, at 06:38, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: But, what is outside the head is a circle, with a circumference and a diameter. This is ambiguous.Are you talkng about the "platonic perfect circle"? Or about a circle physically realized, like with a pen and a compass? Roger

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

You're twisting words again... you cannot be both agnostic and a believer... from what you wrote here and the fundamental inability to doubt god by the way you constantly redifine it to always be the goal of the theory and true by definition... you are a believer. Quentin Le 24 janv. 2015 09:27, "

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch > wrote > > > >>> >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? > >> > >> > It fol

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/23/2015 8:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > I still don't see what intercommunucation has to do with anything. If two > different alien species prove there are infinite primes then primes are > objectively real. They don't have to ever make con

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 23 Jan 2015, at 00:09, meekerdb wrote: On 1/22/2015 8:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2015, at 02:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true?

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 16:45, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-01-22 16:37 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal : On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnos

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > But, what is outside the head is a circle, with a circumference and a >> diameter. >> >> >> This is ambiguous.Are you talkng about the "platonic perfect circle"? Or >> about a circle physically realized, like with a pen and a compass? >> > > Roger: A physically realized circle. > > > I doub

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/23/2015 8:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch > wrote > >>> >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? >> >> > It follows from t

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/23/2015 8:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: I still don't see what intercommunucation has to do with anything. If two different alien species prove there are infinite primes then primes are objectively real. They don't have to ever make contact and share their results. A fair point, I was focusin

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote > >>> >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? >> >> > It follows from the axioms that there is a certain definite digit. > > They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thursday, January 22, 2015, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/22/2015 1:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: >>>

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? >> > > > It follows from the axioms that there is a certain definite digit. > They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and if you add up enough of them you'd get the the 10^(10^(1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 1:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 8:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2015, at 02:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch > wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true?

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On 1/22/2015 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In 1910, Henri Ford already asked why to use non renewable oil and not renewable hemp? And the answer was that it was a lot cheaper to use oil from the ground. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

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On 1/22/2015 7:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-01-22 16:37 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>: On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems ob

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:28 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> >> >> So one of them is true, but can you (or anyone in this universe) prove: >> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 ? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th de

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> Do you believe that *one and only o

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> So one of them is true, but can you (or anyone in this universe) prove: > > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 ? > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 ? > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decima

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do you believe that *one and only

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following >> statements is true? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >> the 10^(1

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? Tronnies may explain pi's precision.

@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 07:48, Bruce Kellett wrote: John Clark wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com >> wrote: > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 06:06, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: Just because things can exist outside the mind/head doesn't mean that a specific thing does occur outside the mind/head. If the pi proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown outside the mind/

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 02:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 00:53, LizR wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 06:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question i

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 21:56, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious).. but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... OK

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-22 16:37 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal : > > On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... > then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic > either, you're what is called a believer...

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... No problem with this. Actually, it is because I

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