thinks
that drugs in society are going to go away, they need to complete
their education by a crash course run by the plant teachers
themselves. The single most pressing issue involves the skill of
self-moderation, something that humans don't seem to learn easily.
This is why Hancock
, they need to complete their education by a crash
course run by the plant teachers themselves. The single most pressing issue
involves the skill of self-moderation, something that humans don't seem to
learn easily. This is why Hancock in that TED talk is right on the money
when he says
. If anybody thinks that
drugs in society are going to go away, they need to complete their
education by a crash course run by the plant teachers themselves.
The single most pressing issue involves the skill of self-
moderation, something that humans don't seem to learn easily. This
is why
On 16 Apr 2014, at 15:38, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
There is also the issue of dosage btw. Most psychedelics will not
just automatically take the subject to a full blown mystical thing;
which is quite mainstream view by now, for what it's worth:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Apr 2014, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb
The thing that was conceived was the enterprise that became Apple computer.
What was brought into being, possibly with the aid of some substance, was the
synergistic union of the existing technologies into a concept that allowed them
all to be rolled into one and marketed effectively. You can
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
The thing that was conceived was the enterprise that became Apple
computer. What was brought into being, possibly with the aid of some
substance, was the synergistic union of the existing technologies into a
concept
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 6:38 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
If you say psychedelics are trivial, did nothing for research in medicine,
resulted in nothing, check maps.org or for concrete articles:
But the question was whether
to go away, they
need to complete their education by a crash course run by the plant teachers
themselves. The single most pressing issue involves the skill of
self-moderation, something that humans don't seem to learn easily. This is why
Hancock in that TED talk is right on the money when he
On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated from
synesthesia caused by psychadelics.
Telmo.
I had heard
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 3:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil rights
for blacks? The pill?
Plus (off the top of my
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and Wozniak in 1974
while stoned on cannabis.
kim
On 16 Apr 2014, at 8:19 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil
On 16 April 2014 20:12, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and Wozniak in
1974 while stoned on cannabis.
Named for the Apple Record label?
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 1:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language
On 16 Apr 2014, at 10:12, Kim Jones wrote:
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and Wozniak
in 1974 while stoned on cannabis.
It was the invention of the Apple (the Apple I, and the famous Apple
II, much before the Apple became the Macintosh).
That changes the world,
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that
There is also the issue of dosage btw. Most psychedelics will not just
automatically take the subject to a full blown mystical thing; which is
quite mainstream view by now, for what it's worth:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/health/lsd-reconsidered-for-therapy.html?_r=0
Most people I know
On 16 Apr 2014, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On 4/16/2014 1:12 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and Wozniak in 1974 while stoned
on cannabis.
What exactly was conceived? The mouse - from Xerox park? The OS, a single-user form of
Unix? Color; the Amiga already had it? The combined
On 4/16/2014 6:38 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
If you say psychedelics are trivial, did nothing for research in medicine, resulted in
nothing, check maps.org http://maps.org or for concrete articles:
But the question was whether the produced useful ideas in those who took them - not in
Personally, I consider Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band to be a
useful idea. But YMMV.
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On 4/16/2014 2:17 PM, LizR wrote:
Personally, I consider Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band to be a useful
idea. But YMMV.
Sure, I already excepted art - and not just music; a lot of writers and painters were
inspired by alcohol and also by other 'drugs' like religion. Art is a way of
On 17 April 2014 09:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 2:17 PM, LizR wrote:
Personally, I consider Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band to be
a useful idea. But YMMV.
Sure, I already excepted art - and not just music; a lot of writers and
painters were inspired by
On 4/16/2014 2:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 17 April 2014 09:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 2:17 PM, LizR wrote:
Personally, I consider Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band to
be a
useful idea. But YMMV.
Sure, I
On 17 April 2014 09:38, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 2:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 17 April 2014 09:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 2:17 PM, LizR wrote:
Personally, I consider Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band to be
a useful idea. But YMMV.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:58:49PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/16/2014 1:12 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and
Wozniak in 1974 while stoned on cannabis.
What exactly was conceived? The mouse - from Xerox park? The OS,
a single-user form of
On 17 April 2014 07:58, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/16/2014 1:12 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
The Apple Macintosh computer - conceived by Steves Jobs and Wozniak in
1974 while stoned on cannabis.
What exactly was conceived? The mouse - from Xerox park? The OS, a
single-user form
I'm especially fascinated by this theory that human consciousness got going via
the plant teachers in the first place. I was listening to Benjamin Britten's
operatic version of A Midsummer Night's Dream the other day and it's easy to
see that Shakespeare was fascinated by altered states
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
I'm especially fascinated by this theory that human consciousness got
going via the plant teachers in the first place.
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated
from synesthesia caused
On 15 Apr 2014, at 8:41 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
I'm especially fascinated by this theory that human consciousness got going
via the plant teachers in the first place.
An interesting
got
going via the plant teachers in the first place.
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated
from synesthesia caused by psychadelics.
Telmo.
I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a reference, a link?
Unfortunately not. I think I heard in a talk. Might be related
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated from
synesthesia
caused by psychadelics.
Telmo.
I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a reference, a link?
Unfortunately not. I think I heard in a talk. Might be related
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On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:44:32 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated
from synesthesia caused by psychadelics.
Telmo.
I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a reference, a link?
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated
from synesthesia caused by psychadelics.
Telmo.
I had heard that Telmo. Do you have a reference, a link?
On 4/15/2014 1:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
An interesting related hypothesis is that language originated from
synesthesia
On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil rights
for blacks? The pill?
Plus (off the top of my head (man)) - sexual freedom and equality, the
anti-establishment vibe seen in Occupy, Wikileaks etc, freedom of
On 4/15/2014 3:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil rights for blacks?
The pill?
Plus (off the top of my head (man)) - sexual freedom and equality,
On 16 April 2014 10:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2014 3:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 April 2014 09:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
What cultural ideas would those be? Get out of Viet Nam? Civil rights
for blacks? The pill?
Plus (off the top of my head
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On 4/15/2014 3:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16
Cool.
On 14 April 2014 01:12, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Apr 2014, at 09:33, Kim Jones wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w#t=174
Cannot see why it was banned. Well, OK - I can. But here it is anyway.
Nice.
Bruno
Kim
On 12 Apr 2014, at 09:33, Kim Jones wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w#t=174
Cannot see why it was banned. Well, OK - I can. But here it is anyway.
Nice.
Bruno
Kim
Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w#t=174
Cannot see why it was banned. Well, OK - I can. But here it is anyway.
Kim
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 25 Feb 2013, at 14:56, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Feb 2013, at 17:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
The people who most hate
On 25 Feb 2013, at 14:56, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2013, at 17:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
The people who most hate smokers are ex-smokers.
- PGC's father
Since this thread has become a bit
Do you eat dinner every day? Do you drink coffee every day? Do you drink water
or milk every day? Do you watch the TV news every day?
Kim
On 21/02/2013, at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
All classical psychedelics exhibit anti-addictive properties. Sure, people
can't
to to live in a world where we have to do
things like drive cars and operate dangerous heavy machinery for which a
cannabis delirium would spell danger or death.
I did not call this thread The Plant Teachers for nothing.
The other thing is marijuana's effect on the memory. Often you smoke, you have
On 21 Feb 2013, at 13:17, Pierz wrote:
I have tried both DMT and salvia, although my salvia hits were much
milder than my DMT doses. I found DMT quite terrifying in many ways,
and I can totally relate what Bruno says regarding the salvia
experience not being fun, how it is hard and
drive cars and operate
dangerous heavy machinery for which a cannabis delirium would spell danger
or death.
I did not call this thread The Plant Teachers for nothing.
The other thing is marijuana's effect on the memory. Often you smoke, you
have powerful insights and ideas, but you forget
The Plant Teachers for nothing.
The other thing is marijuana's effect on the memory. Often you smoke, you
have powerful insights and ideas, but you forget them as your mind races
ahead to its next perception.I have trained myself over the years to have a
notepad and pen with me whenever stoned
On 22 Feb 2013, at 17:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
The people who most hate smokers are ex-smokers.
- PGC's father
Since this thread has become a bit personal, I offer the view of a
former judge of the German supreme court, who himself was not a
smoker, nor did ever smoke:
It's
in intensity.
On Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:57:57 PM UTC+11, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with
Ayahuascahttp://www.disinfo.com/2013/01/giving-up-the-green-bitch-reflections-on-cannabis-ayahuasca-and-the-mystery-of-plant-teachers-by-graham-hancock/
Of course some
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 20 Feb 2013, at 16:30, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/2/20 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com
Also, there is a weird thing
On 20 Feb 2013, at 14:59, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
All classical psychedelics exhibit anti-addictive properties. Sure,
people can't do mescaline or LSD regularly enough, i.e. every few
days to every day,
How is using every day (or every few days) not an addictive
behavior ? Seems quite
On 09 Feb 2013, at 16:10, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
And here I have to confirm Bruno's Salvia preference: to say DMT is
merely some extension of mushrooms and not astonishing, is to
confirm that one's method is not yet fully developed, or there is
some physiological incompatibility.
.
Note however, my statement above includes may. Does your model address
altered states of consciousness beyond pathetic fallacy?
Because:
Also note Jobbs' use of diverse experiences, which ties in directly
with the plant teachers and how experimentation with altered states can,
given
that is
obscuring things by constantly playing hide-and-seek linguistically.
Also note Jobbs' use of diverse experiences, which ties in directly
with the plant teachers and how experimentation with altered states can,
given some circumstances, be of value.
And here I have to confirm Bruno's Salvia
On 10 Feb 2013, at 21:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll
On 10 Feb 2013, at 22:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:41:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On
On Monday, February 11, 2013 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 21:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5,
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door of
LANGUAGE. Language is
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let
Brian Eno know about this. Eno was recently talking about the
possibilities of a new kind of inaudible music.
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let Brian
Eno know about this. Eno was
, row your boat to mirror fugues.
The unseen that I am talking about is the perceptions of the subject. Yes,
you are also seeing numbers superimposed as ghosts in the mirror where
there are none.
Also note Jobbs' use of diverse experiences, which ties in directly
with the plant
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:41:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a
Opinions about this?
As allways, excuses for my dyslexic writing. Sometimes I can not avoid it
That plants produce physyological and psichological alterations in order to
defend themselves from being eaten is a almost evident fact.
Domestications of a plant is the effort to enlarge their
On 09 Feb 2013, at 12:55, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Opinions about this?
As allways, excuses for my dyslexic writing. Sometimes I can not
avoid it
I will come back later, when I have more time, on this. Here I will
just assess what you say below:
That plants produce physyological
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door of LANGUAGE.
Language is indeed a self-serving thing. A description of
that comes to us by observing a
leaf = we are already dreaming at that point.
Also note Jobbs' use of diverse experiences, which ties in directly with
the plant teachers and how experimentation with altered states can, given
some circumstances, be of value.
And here I have to confirm Bruno's
for
evidence that the unseen is unreal.
Also note Jobbs' use of diverse experiences, which ties in directly with
the plant teachers and how experimentation with altered states can, given
some circumstances, be of value.
And here I have to confirm Bruno's Salvia preference: to say DMT is merely
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let Brian Eno
know about this. Eno was recently talking about the possibilities of a new kind
of inaudible music. Actually, John Cage already invented that in the '50s
with his infamous piece 4'.33 - where the pianist walks to the
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let Brian
Eno know about this. Eno was recently talking about the possibilities of a
new kind of inaudible music. Actually, John Cage already invented that
in
On 08/02/2013, at 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 07 Feb 2013, at 10:57, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant to the
search for a TOE. But, recall that CONSCIOUSNESS is the
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 07:31:06PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:
Salvia, like Ketamine, (but quite less dangerous, and anti-addictive) has a
dissociative effect which might illustrate the Galois connection between
1p-mind (consciousness) and its 3p local handlings (the 3p-brains). By
On 08 Feb 2013, at 10:09, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 07:31:06PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:
Salvia, like Ketamine, (but quite less dangerous, and anti-
addictive) has a dissociative effect which might illustrate the
Galois connection between 1p-mind (consciousness) and
On 08 Feb 2013, at 09:31, Kim Jones wrote:
On 08/02/2013, at 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 07 Feb 2013, at 10:57, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant
to the search for a TOE.
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door of LANGUAGE. Language is
indeed a self-serving thing. A description of something is a dance of language, not a
dance of PERCEPTION. Perception is often throttled by the processes of language. We
Some initial comments, because I´m very interested on these alterations of
conscience. The rest of my comments will appear along the conversation:
I´m persuaded, by very simple evolutionary analysis that plants
produced whatever chemical substance that stops from eating them. this is
their only
This documentary is very good. it is about alterations of consciouness
produced by accidents. This case has a injured temporal lobe. The effect is
very similar to a psychotropic drug, religious feelings included:
.
http://www.
On Friday, February 8, 2013 3:38:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door of LANGUAGE.
Language is indeed a self-serving thing. A description of something is a
dance of language, not a dance of
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant to the search
for a TOE. But, recall that CONSCIOUSNESS is the ultimate final frontier in
science and that voyagers in consciousness-altering substances have a
perspective to contribute
On 07 Feb 2013, at 10:57, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant to
the search for a TOE. But, recall that CONSCIOUSNESS is the ultimate
final frontier in science and that voyagers in consciousness-
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