[expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Harm Bathoorn
Hello all, Just wanted to scream, sorry about that:) I've been to an IT evening at my children's (primary) school witnessing how the teachers think they can turn my children into braindead M$windows consumers. The principal even came over to ask (he'd heard I was in computers) if I felt like

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:27:11 +0100 Harm Bathoorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Just wanted to scream, sorry about that:) > > I've been to an IT evening at my children's (primary) school witnessing how > the teachers think they can turn my children into braindead M$windows > consum

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread NDPTAL85
On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 03:37 PM, Pierre Fortin wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:27:11 +0100 > Harm Bathoorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Just wanted to scream, sorry about that:) >> >> I've been to an IT evening at my children's (primary) school witnessing > how > t

RE: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Title: RE: [expert] AAArgh!!! M$madness!!! Hi There,     Rather than snarling and carrying on about this M$ thing.  Why not give a demonstration of Linux to the school.  I'm sure that they would be open to this kind of thing (especially since you work with it ;-)  ).  Even i

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread richard
Dont worry its part of the learning processfor children. its to teach them how to deal with disapointment. you know just as they've typed 3 hours of homework, they get the blue screen, and have to start all over again. It also trains them to be able to cope with traffic police when they are

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread kwan
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, NDPTAL85 wrote: > There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft > software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be > used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I don't see > how using Linux will benefit anyone if they

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Tom Badran
> There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft > software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be > used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I don't see > how using Linux will benefit anyone if they learn systems they most > likely

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Randy Kramer
NDPTAL85 wrote: > There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft > software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be > used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I don't see > how using Linux will benefit anyone if they learn systems they mo

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Felix Miata
In response to what Craig Williamson (ENZ) wrote using: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) instead of a Linux email client: Speaking of M$ madness, following I shall be testing what I learned on Slashdot this morning. begin quoting writer's message: > Hi There, > Rather than snarl

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread NDPTAL85
On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 04:57 PM, Tom Badran wrote: > >> There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft >> software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be >> used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I don't see >> how using L

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Harm Bathoorn
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 22:27, you wrote: > Dont worry its part of the learning processfor children. > its to teach them how to deal with disapointment. > > > > you know just as they've typed 3 hours of homework, they get the blue > screen, and have to start all over again. > > > It also trains

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:36 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > begin response > > Mere demo? Prolly need both a demo of the power to do the same > particular activities as provided for with M$ software, then follow with > demo of acquisition cost of each item of software, showing the massive > waste

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Jean-Christophe Berthon
Hello, I think that in this thread, the problem of teaching Windows at school has been misunderstood. I'm disagreeing that professors teach at school about a system of Windows or Linux or anyother. That is NOT the school matter. School has been made to learn students methods. Then, once the stude

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Mario Michael da Costa
heck i never got a chance to learn computers in school, and i didn't turn out too bad. on a more serious note, i was rather appalled to see that the syllabus for the diploma in engineering courses here in Goa focus on windows rather than linux. I suppose in a richer country one can argue purely o

RE: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Franki
Title: RE: [expert] AAArgh!!! M$madness!!! or setup a internet gateway box with linux, but give it the full gui as well, then they can see it getting used for something good, show them how their internal network is invisable to grc.com or others and then get real flash and show them

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Harm Bathoorn
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:00, you wrote: > Hello, > > I think that in this thread, the problem of teaching Windows at school has > been misunderstood. I'm disagreeing that professors teach at school about a > system of Windows or Linux or anyother. That is NOT the school matter. > School has

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Ronald J. Hall
NDPTAL85 wrote: > There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft > software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be > used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I don't see > how using Linux will benefit anyone if they learn systems they m

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Randy Kramer
Mario Michael da Costa wrote: > on a more serious note, i was rather appalled to see that the syllabus > for the diploma in engineering courses here in Goa focus on windows > rather than linux. I suppose in a richer country one can argue purely > on the ethics of the issue, but over here cost is a

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Ken Hawkins
I agree 100%!! I work tech support at a college, and all too often I deal with people who learned win - duh-oh-zzz in k-12 by rote. The primary/secondary school system in our community uses a very different configuration than our college (small community- 1 high school, 1 college). WHen they ar

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread NDPTAL85
On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 11:25 AM, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > NDPTAL85 wrote: > >> There's no reason to get all bent out of shape because Microsoft >> software is being used in schools. There's a good argument for it to be >> used, its what the children will also see in the workplace. I d

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread James
Would seem to me that the solutions are. 1. Make your voice heard. As a parent your resposibility is your childs education, not the school. The school could be the vehicle you chose to fill your responsiblity but it's not the states duty. Join the PTA, go to school board meetings. Make you

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Jim Dewar
X-RebelTech Is Here: http://www.rebeltech.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit but typically, schools (k-12) don't teach how to think. they teach how to regurgitate. it's easier, and the teacher doesn't have to respond constructively to differing

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Harm Bathoorn
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 22:10, you wrote: > > Alright let me ask you this, are your kids going to grow up to work in > the IT field? Are they going to be programmers or system administrators > or network engineers? If not then what does it matter what OS is used in > their schools? If they g

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Praedor Tempus
M$ charges a premium. Schools get screwed even if they receive DONATED computers if they have M$ on them. Many schools are also on a tight and shrinking budget. Why oh WHY have them waste money on M$ software when they could do everything they really need to do on NON-M$ software? They cou

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Pierre Fortin
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:10:22 -0500 NDPTAL85 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alright let me ask you this, are your kids going to grow up to work in > the IT field? Are they going to be programmers or system administrators > or network engineers? If not then what does it matter what OS is used in >

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Pierre Fortin
James, Wonderfully stated!!! Wanna post this on a web site? I'd gladly add a link in my Education links section... Pierre PS: Hoping to find time to read the USAFreedomCorp doc this week... http://usafreedomcorp.gov/usafreedomcorps.pdf On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:18:13 -0800 James <[EMAIL P

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread Mario Michael da Costa
James wrote: > > Would seem to me that the solutions are. > > 1. Make your voice heard. As a parent your resposibility is your childs > education, not the school. The school could be the vehicle you chose to > fill your responsiblity but it's not the states duty. Join the PTA, go to > school

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-30 Thread James
hmmm let me think... don't know if I've got one but I should have one to post it too James On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:43:31 -0500 Pierre Fortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > Wonderfully stated!!! Wanna post this on a web site? I'd gladly add a > link in my Education links sec

Re: [expert] AAAaaaargh!!! M$madness!!!

2002-01-31 Thread Ronald J. Hall
NDPTAL85 wrote: > Alright let me ask you this, are your kids going to grow up to work in > the IT field? Are they going to be programmers or system administrators > or network engineers? If not then what does it matter what OS is used in > their schools? If they grow up to be doctors or lawyers o

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2002-02-01 Thread Juan DaNewbie
I don’t think it matter in elementary school or middle what operating system they are using unless they are try to set up servers or databases have a problem with linux and Microsoft and if you want to get into monopolies you have to mention Sony, ford, AOL, Ted Turner, and even governments tr