[expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Hi People! First, thank you all very much for your attention. So as I said: "It's just a commentary ..." I beg your pardon if I offend someone, but I can share toughly the answers in two group: who makes programmes (specially open source), and who merely uses them. I'm in

[expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Hi Jan Sacharuk, > @>To save words, I haven't been specific in some points. I mean, if > @>you satisfied with good closed-driver (or software solution) why do you > @>use GNU/Linux (most much better solution for a lot of applications). Use > @>Win2k so! (I use it, and we have PPC - Apple an

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike Leone
>To save words, I haven't been specific in some points. I mean, if you satisfied with good closed-driver (or software solution) why do you use GNU/Linux (most much better solution for a lot of applications). Use Because I chose to. That's my right, just as it's your right. >Win2k so! (I use it

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mario Michael da Costa
Mike Leone wrote: > I'm a hostage of no one; if I don't like their cards, I'll throw it away and buy >another. If I wish to use their cards, and their software (closed or not), that's my >choice. And no one - nVidia nor GNU - should try and force me into doing what I chose >not to do. > hmmm,

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Hi Leone, Thank you for your attention. So, all about I wrote is just a matter of philosophy and it really is. But, look, we use here in our Lab many closed OS (IRIX, AIX, MAC OX, SUNOS, WINblows). They are a good solution for some applications. Too expensive I must sa

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike Leone
- Original Message - From: "Mario Michael da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished > Mike Leone wrote: > > > I'm a hostage

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike Leone
>Listen, I just believe that proprietary software will not disappear, but I strongly believe that GPL will be the majority, no matter if there will be more people thinking like me or like you (and I don't think it's a matter of being right or wrong). I don't think proprietary software will disapp

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike Leone
>You clearly showed agaisnt M$. However I'm not talking about M$ monopoly issue, I'm talking about their policy of closed-software, which I see, was the main instrument that they used, much more than the monopoly. I don't believe that to be the case. Many companies have closed source software; v

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Hi Mike, > >Do you really think that M$ is right? > > I never said MS was right; you are extrapolating that from this > discussion, which hasn't mentioned MS. > > To answer your question: No I don't, because what MS did was illegal > (proven so in court, twice); they misused their monoply power >

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Terry Mathews
I've just got a quick question on this topic: with all of this hoopla on nVidia's closed source Linux drivers, what is wrong with them? Do they not do something right? To the best of my knowledge, they implement OpenGL 1.3 to the letter; is something broken? Because, after this open/closed source

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike Leone
> I've just got a quick question on this topic: with all of this hoopla on > nVidia's closed source Linux drivers, what is wrong with them? Do they not > do something right? To the best of my knowledge, they implement OpenGL 1.3 > to the letter; is something broken? What is wrong with them is (to

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Jerry Sternesky
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:35, Mike Leone wrote: > > I've just got a quick question on this topic: with all of this hoopla on > > nVidia's closed source Linux drivers, what is wrong with them? Do they not > > do something right? To the best of my knowledge, they implement OpenGL 1.3 > > to the lette

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Terry Mathews
Also, I know in my heart that should nVidia decide to stop developing Linux drivers, they will find a way to get the proper information to the DRI program. I imagine that they would require DRI to not distribute source on their card support, and to sign an NDA on some parts of the driver. Not unr

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mike White
OK, I got two of this one. On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 21:16, Terry Mathews wrote: > Also, I know in my heart that should nVidia decide to stop developing Linux > drivers, they will find a way to get the proper information to the DRI > program. I imagine that they would require DRI to not distribute so

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-29 Thread Mario Michael da Costa
Mike Leone wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Mario Michael da Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished > > >

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-30 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Ok Terry. Maybe you right, but the real reason of this "hoopla" on nVidia's closed driver is the fact that one is unable, for example, to correct some specific nVidia bug for your graphic or video programme that one can be developing. So, that's why I think that nVidia should give, at le

Re: [expert] Re: [MPlayer-users] NVidia will be bannished

2002-01-30 Thread Terry Mathews
True, but ATi's "open source" driver has a bug too, and it's not fixed yet. I can't even get anyone interested in fixing the bug. :-( That's the main reason why I bought an nVidia card. Open source is great, if you've got an expert on hand to fix it from time to time. Sometimes, tho, having a comp