[FairfieldLife] Re: Draft: vaishvaamitro madhuchandaa(?) RSiH

2006-02-04 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Maharishi on Madhuchandas) Actually that's probably madhucchandaH (lemma [dictionary form]: madhucchandas), but due to sandhi madhucchandaa RSiH. 16 madhucchandas m. name of the 51st of Vishvaa-mitra's 101 sons...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that they had the right to violate actual law. I often

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with

[FairfieldLife] Personal Internet Data and the Legal System

2006-02-04 Thread Michael Dean Goodman
Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the continuing saga of the erosion of our privacy rights, here's some more interesting news about the use of internet data (e-mails, discussion group posts, search engine results) and the legal system (civil and criminal prosecution), including the ability to trace

[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
You mean that this latest fundamentalist, intolerant, war-mongering, reactionary, intolerant protest put you in mind of a man renowned for trying to bring about world peace in our time? Now that is ironic! Perhaps MMY is a closet sympathiser with these people? With pampleths, saying: Kill the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia

2006-02-04 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean that this latest fundamentalist, intolerant, war-mongering, reactionary, intolerant protest put you in mind of a man renowned for trying to bring about world peace in our time? Now that is ironic!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that they had the right to violate actual law. I often got the feeling from Maharishi,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Program on Sunday

2006-02-04 Thread Peter
Michael, have you been to a group program yet? I'm thinking of going next sunday. -Peter --- Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this list occasionally has discussed TM activities and teach- ers and controversies in South Florida (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach Counties), I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 4:11 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often got the feeling from Maharishi, and recent speeches seem to reflect this, that he didn't have much respect for the level of intelligence that formulated man-made laws. He considered man-made laws legitimate and worthy of his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Sal Sunshine
I'd like to see any of these rationalizations hold up in court! Sal On Feb 4, 2006, at 9:32 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: ONLY if you buy the definition of enlightenment that Maharishi peddles.  That's my point.  His definition is that the enlightened can do no wrong.  Therefore, if you assume

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Patrick Gillam
I recall a story Lucy Lediaev to our science of creative intelligence class of Maharishi rushing to catch a plane. Because he was late he told his driver to run the red lights on the way to the airport. His entourage trailed further and further behind him because they couldn't just plow

[FairfieldLife] Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 9:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ONLY if you buy the definition of enlightenment that Maharishi peddles. That's my point. His definition is that the enlightened can do no wrong. There have been people in FF who have claimed to be enlightened or intuitively gifted

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't really owning up to making any mistakes. Like the ice stalagmite that formed on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see any of these rationalizations hold up in court! I guess you must have missed Lawson's post saying: A perfectly valid attitude for someone enlightened, though you have to face the consquences regardless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalomania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 10:05 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of laws of nature, most of us have probably experienced how, once we learn the rules of something, we gain the ability to break them and get a way with it. In fact, most creative breakthroughs result from the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 9:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ONLY if you buy the definition of enlightenment that Maharishi peddles. That's my point. His definition is that the enlightened can do no wrong.

[FairfieldLife] vedic city article

2006-02-04 Thread Ron F
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
To imagine that the belief that the enlightened can do no 'wrong' is roughly the same as believing in the 'blue-blood' of royals, and their intimate connection with God. But, I reckon most people have experienced 'enlightenment' temporarilly, if only for a few minutes. Probably MMY has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then (mid-70s), they had convinced themselves that they were so in tune with Natural Law that

[FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari From: Mike Scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Hi Rick Could you please post this on Fairfield Life for me. Thanks, Mike Scozzari Mike Scozzari TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/3/06 5:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Possibly, to imagine that the enlightened can do no 'wrong' is roughly the same as believing in the 'blue-blood' of royals and their intimate connection with God. But, I reckon most people have experienced 'enlightenment', if only for a few minutes. Probably MMY has experienced enlightenment

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Possibly to imagine that the belief that the enlightened can do no 'wrong' is roughly similar to believing in the 'blue-blood' of royals, and their intimate connection with God. But, I reckon most people have experienced 'enlightenment' temporarilly, if only for a few minutes. Probably MMY has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalomania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, within the description of enlightenment that MMYpresents, how could an enlightened person behave differently than following his/her inner intuition? Perhaps that inner intuition says to follow the law without

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it just certain individuals trying to take advantage of others' suggestibility. That's certainly been a theme throughout the entire history of spiritual development. Ironically, it is often the more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. You have just nailed the fatal flaw in Maharishi's model. To believe it is true, you have to believe that before enlightenment, one has free will, and that afterwards one does not. What *changed* in the operating system

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: But, within the description of enlightenment that MMYpresents, how could an enlightened person behave differently than following his/her inner

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
To recapitulate, from my observation, it is often the more spiritually inclined who get involved in the teachings of the church or in the thinking of a particular 'spiritual' teacher. Having gotten involved, they soon find there are certain beliefs about infallability to deal with, and I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. You have just nailed the fatal flaw in Maharishi's model. To believe it is true, you have to believe that before enlightenment, one has free

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To recapitulate, from my observation, it is often the more spiritually inclined who get involved in the teachings of the church or in the thinking of a particular 'spiritual' teacher. Having gotten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip I agree. The enlightened man driving his car makes the decisions necessary to navigate successfully through traffic and arrive at his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. You have just nailed the fatal flaw in Maharishi's model. To believe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. To raise critical questions is a good thing - even when it comes to Guru Dev - who is my absolute favorite. I love his quotations. He was very strict - but he was true to his principles. He choosed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-04 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 1:27 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. To raise critical questions is a good thing - even when it comes to Guru Dev - who is my absolute favorite. I love his quotations. He was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Marek Reavis
I just have to say that wrongaroonie is one of the best comebacks I've heard in a long time. I'll be using it from now on. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 1:27 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I agree with you. To raise critical questions is a good thing - even when

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to say that wrongaroonie is one of the best comebacks I've heard in a long time. I'll be using it from now on. Thanks. I am happy for the both of you. It is comforting to have in our midst people who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike Scozzari TM Center Deerfield Beach, Florida www.bay3.com/tm As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Mike Scozzari scozzari@ Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Do you know who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're the point man but only in front at this time. There will be many ex-TM teachers who will rally around such action, including us. Many will

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Mike Scozzari scozzari@ Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a way to make *everything* about you. That's what he was doing; he wasn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalomania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you find a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: But, within the description of enlightenment that MMYpresents, how could an enlightened person behave differently than following his/her inner

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. You have just nailed the fatal flaw in Maharishi's model. To believe it is true, you have to believe that before enlightenment, one has free

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. You have just nailed the fatal flaw in Maharishi's model. To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari on 2/4/06 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're the point man but only in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To recapitulate, from my observation, it is often the more spiritually inclined who get involved in the teachings of the church or in the thinking of a particular 'spiritual' teacher. Having gotten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latter sounds like Megalonmania 101. If you're a megalomaniac, you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To recapitulate, from my observation, it is often the more spiritually inclined who get involved in the teachings of the church or in the thinking of a particular 'spiritual' teacher. Having gotten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're the point man but only in front at this time. There will be many ex-TM

[FairfieldLife] Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 2:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. The enlightened man driving his car makes the decisions necessary to navigate successfully through traffic and arrive at his destination. Why shouldn't other decisions be just as volitional and just as subject to dire

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
I replied to this message earlier but somehow the message appears to have become lost. When Guru Dev became Shankaracharya he relaxed his habit of keeping his distance of women. In fact, if you look at the filmstock of him giving satsang it is clear there are many women present. I have the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Marek Reavis
I'm confused by your question (below). I merely made a statement that I enjoyed the term wrongaroonie and looked forward to the time I might be able to employ it myself. Also I find it puzzling that Turquoise B. thought that the same compliment was somehow a statement re my absolute knowledge of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused by your question (below). I merely made a statement that I enjoyed the term wrongaroonie and looked forward to the time I might be able to employ it myself. Also I find it puzzling that Turquoise B.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 2:33:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not do the same with McDonald's Hamburgers then? I think it is done to some degree or another. One corner has Mickey d's and down the street you'll have Jack in the Box or some other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread Peter
In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only 340 took the course. The TMO is guilty of not providing any job security and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused by your question (below). I merely made a statement that I enjoyed the term wrongaroonie and looked forward to the time I might be able to employ it myself. Oh, OK, I thought you were being sarcastic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: I'm confused by your question (below). I merely made a statement that I enjoyed the term wrongaroonie and looked forward to the time I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 1:27 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is it true that women were not allowed near Guru Dev? That's what I heard. There's a story that he said he had

[FairfieldLife] article on Vedic City

2006-02-04 Thread bbrigante
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread Sal Sunshine
Hey if they want to pay me $2000/month to bow down to a Raja, I'll do it. For $4000/month I'll do it twice. Sal On Feb 4, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Rick Archer wrote: --  You were instructed by Maharishi, 30 years or so ago, to teach TM once you fulfilled the requirements of your TTC etc.  The TMO's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Hi Rick Could you please post this on Fairfield Life for me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly, to imagine that the enlightened can do no 'wrong' is roughly the same as believing in the 'blue-blood' of royals and their intimate connection with God. But, I reckon most people have experienced

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 4:11 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often got the feeling from Maharishi, and recent speeches seem to reflect this, that he didn't have much respect for the level of intelligence that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Marek Reavis
Great, thanks, I'll be more careful to stay out of the crossfire in the future. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: I'm confused by your question (below). I merely made

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 2:33:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not do the same with McDonald's Hamburgers then? I think it is done to some degree or another. One corner has Mickey

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Vedic literature' is full of ghastly wars, vile punishments for minor crimes, talking animals and wizardry too. So is every other religious/cultural literary work from that periodof human history, as far as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, butnot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 5:47:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but Jack in the Box doesn't have "Original Jack with the Jack-in-the-Box speaker" and "new improved, but over-priced Jack with extra options but no speaker" because there is a company that owns

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-04 Thread coshlnx
---right on!)...below, the persons in question may not be Enlightened. But assuming they are, can they make mistakes. Unfortunately, this can (perhaps never) be proven nor disproven, since once an event has occured, there's no way to prove that an alternative event might have been more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/4/06 6:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 6:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/4/06 6:05 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Vedic literature' is full of ghastly wars, vile punishments for minor crimes, talking animals and wizardry too. ** You wrote a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
But after becoming Shankaracharya he relaxed that standpoint about not allowing women around. You only have to look at the filmstock of him speaking live, to see there were loads of women attending his lecture. I have the contact details of an elderly lady who claims to be his first woman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That lecture you downloaded yesterday, the section on enlightenment and assholes, touches nicely on this topic and how people (e.g. Adi Da, Chogyam Trungpa) use it to commit the most unethical acts. As Ken put's it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 11:43 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: snip Or, to put this in the framework of some people's enlightenment type experiences, sure you chop wood and carry water both before and after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Vaj
On Feb 4, 2006, at 8:08 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That lecture you downloaded yesterday, the section on enlightenment and assholes, touches nicely on this topic and how  people (e.g. Adi Da, Chogyam Trungpa) use it to commit the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'd like to see any of these rationalizations hold up in court! I guess you must have missed Lawson's post saying: A perfectly valid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-04 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/4/06 10:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-04 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I think the conversation about the enlightened and their ability to supposedly not make mistakes is silly is because the information regarding their purported ability to only act in a spontaneous right way

[FairfieldLife] FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. But would like to suggest this. In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, which was sermons by GD, and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that and not to distribute. He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner level

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I think the conversation about the enlightened and their ability to supposedly not make mistakes is silly is because the information regarding their purported ability to only act in a spontaneous right way