Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Missed this earlier... He didn't say his enlightenment was a delusion. He said enlightenment per se, although very real and genuine, is a delusion. You've been told this now five or six times between Ann and me, so now when you say it, it's a lie, because you know otherwise. You are atta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're talking about, no surprise. You are wrong not because Ann is an authority, but because, duh, you got it wrong, and the evidence is on the record in the posts in this exchange plus Robin's post from December 2012. N

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
She is in the know. On this point, as it happens, so am I. Of course neither of us is going to tell you anything about Robin's private life that he didn't divulge here; what are you, nuts? Ironically, though, as I told you before, he'd already written a number of times about his friend who "

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Ah, now this is Anne we've come to know. No worries. Anne, read Robin's post. Read the various comments I have made about it. Now, what I am gathering is that you think I am mistaken! Yes, I managed to pick that up.! Now, I've told you why I came to the conclusions I've come to. And yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, you are saying, "Trust me, because I know what is going on. I'm not going to tell you anything about it, but I'm in the know" Well, I don't operate that way, and I don't know many who do. So as they say, and I don't mean this in an impolite way, but put up, or shut up. There is rea

[FairfieldLife] Iranian Warships Sailing to the US?

2014-02-08 Thread jr_esq
One wonders about the current leadership of Iran. He appears to be intent on intimidating the US military forces. But they don't have the firepower to shoot it out with the US. Or, it could be just a bluff. http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-warships-sailing-towards-u-agency-214302042--fina

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. Steve, as I said, I don't really care one way or another but you d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, This post was over a year old. In the body of the post at some point by one of the participants is mentioned "Starbucks". Now if you wish to fault me over this detail, or any other detail, no problem. But I stand by the my overall

[FairfieldLife] RE: Crazy Raam crap

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Well, Fairfield seems to generally have a lot of currency experts like these. They kind of occupied the Ron Paul campaign. At a point it seemed Ron Paul did not really know what hit him. Nothing like friends. Always has been a lot of lectur

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV! Those who do TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Now you are making me laugh. Yes Judy, yes. That many holes at least. And you have called me on each of them. Thank God! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Wow, has it been that many holes you've dug for yourself and then couldn't get out of? << How many times have you said

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, draw whatever conclusions you wish to draw. It is fine with me. If you feel I missed the point completely, I am okay with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nowhere near, Stevie baby. Here's what you claimed: "And then we have his daily confessional with his friend

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, This post was over a year old. In the body of the post at some point by one of the participants is mentioned "Starbucks". Now if you wish to fault me over this detail, or any other detail, no problem. But I stand by the my overall point that Robin had a friend that appeared to call

[FairfieldLife] RE: Marshy's Marketing

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear MJ, you seem jealous of the Maharishi in publishing this time-line of yours and the color commentary in it. The guy (Maharishi) evidently was incredibly successful in his life. At the least in leading and creating large changes in culture in a lot of ways the Maharishi was also quite eviden

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
God bless you Judy. God bless you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Think you can get a little more morally smelly, Stevie-boy? Are you in some kind of competition with Share? << Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Wow, has it been that many holes you've dug for yourself and then couldn't get out of? << How many times have you said such over the past 17 years? I'd say over a thousand. >> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Translation: He can't figure out how to dig himself out of this h

[FairfieldLife] RE: Crazy Raam crap

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Well, Fairfield seems to generally have a lot of currency experts like these. They kind of occupied the Ron Paul campaign. At a point it seemed Ron Paul did not really know what hit him. Nothing like friends. Always has been a lot of lectures and seminars on money/currencies in Fairfield.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Think you can get a little more morally smelly, Stevie-boy? Are you in some kind of competition with Share? << Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. Bu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
you're boring Judy. no one can beat you in this game of yours. and no sensible person would want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Stevie-poops, you aren't doing yourself any good with this crap. You aren't clever enough to patronize anybody; you just make yourself look incr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
How many times have you said such over the past 17 years? I'd say over a thousand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Translation: He can't figure out how to dig himself out of this hole he's dug for himself. Standard Stevie. << Anne, for the moment, I am content to let my com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. But what is wrong with my feeling that Judy had some attachment to Robin? I mean she said as much, (and I am not goi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
He's been well trained by Barry. What do you expect? Is this where things start to gravitate below the belt? And if so, why Steve? Is it not possible to engage in a discussion without getting personal and far-fetched in your unfounded theories?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, you will just have to live with another unfulfilled desire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nope, as I said, Stevie-poo (and Ann has said as well), nowhere near. You got it wrong, that's obvious. Acknowledge it (or not), and move on. Judy, I don't want to throw cold w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Stevie-poops, you aren't doing yourself any good with this crap. You aren't clever enough to patronize anybody; you just make yourself look increasingly foolish, especially when the mistake was yours in the first place. << Judy, best to just let your perceptions and fantasies go unimpeded. (a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
By the way Ann, re your recent photo upload: that's a splendid hound you have. I'm jealous. I am more of a cat lover myself but all domestic animals are endlessly fascinating. Much more enjoyable and rewarding than a colour TV! Those who do TM are supposed to keep pets out of the room when they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, best to just let your perceptions and fantasies go unimpeded. (as though there's a choice in the matter). But you must realize, that for you, things are always going wrong in the minds of people who disagree with you. I mean that is your calling card, and that's not going to change. But

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Re "I would hate for anyone to call me "right wing": A European "right-wing" conservative would have views far closer to a typical American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to opt for an abortion is almost uni

[FairfieldLife] The early six-month (AEGTC) courses

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Hey Thanks 7thRay. This is always something I appreciate about FFL and keeps me coming back, that folks pop up, folks “who were there” and can give an insight of recollection. -Buck 7thRay27 wrote: Hey Mike, Since I know you like this kind of thing, I'll relate a few stories fr

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
Re "I would hate for anyone to call me "right wing": A European "right-wing" conservative would have views far closer to a typical American Democrat than to a Republican. Eg, the right for a woman to be able to opt for an abortion is almost universally accepted over here. But I would never lab

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Translation: He can't figure out how to dig himself out of this hole he's dug for himself. Standard Stevie. << Anne, for the moment, I am content to let my comment, and Robin's post stand on their own without any additional commentary from me. >> And although I am not a big fan of the Ol

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Nope, as I said, Stevie-poo (and Ann has said as well), nowhere near. You got it wrong, that's obvious. Acknowledge it (or not), and move on. Judy, I don't want to throw cold water on any of your fantasies. (hey, that came out just the way I wanted), so create any scenario you want. My rec

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, for the moment, I am content to let my comment, and Robin's post stand on their own without any additional commentary from me. I don't blame you since the quoted post doesn't exactly back up your point. But, that's okay with me. It is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: and yikes II, this is pretty revealing. I didn't realize how deep the attachment went. Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though? Is this where things start to gravitate below the belt? And if so, why Steve? Is it not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Thank you emptybill for clarifying the Christian and Orthodox views on union between God and human. It was disconcerting to think that there was such a seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions on this most essential of religious concepts. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:20 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Ann knows how it began. Remember her response to your original comment? Take her advice and go research the topic on your own rather than continuing to flounder around here without knowing what you're talking about, any more than you had any idea what my religious beliefs are. << Ann, I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Stevie, honest, it doesn't hurt me when you make a big fuss about something and get it badly wrong. I'm sure there are lots of people who know things about Robin that I don't. But you aren't one of them. << sounds like this one hurt Judy. kinda has your ire up for some reason. and yike

[FairfieldLife] The Rhythmical Test:

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5
I don't think it has anything to do with spiritual illumination. I scored 64% and I don't know nothing about rhythm. Though I can applaud with two hands clapping. -Buck http://tonometric.com/rhythmdeaf/ http://tonometric.com/rhythmdeaf/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, actually I think this is where you and Judy go off track! Judy once told Seraph that she was raised Presbyterian. Judy has mentioned reading the ecclesiastical novels of Susan Howatch. In light of the current topic of God human union, I wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
I'm not going to discuss my friendship with Robin, sorry, other than to say it was mutual. Boy, between you and Share, the stench in here is getting overpowering. No doubt Barry will fly in here overnight and deposit a bunch more piles of doodoo. Such spiritual people. and yikes II, this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, for the moment, I am content to let my comment, and Robin's post stand on their own without any additional commentary from me. And although I am not a big fan of the Olympics, I am enjoying watching them with my wife and daughter and cracking jokes as we go along. ---In FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, I don't want to throw cold water on any of your fantasies. (hey, that came out just the way I wanted), so create any scenario you want. My recollection was close enough I think. But, I realize I am treading on your sacred ground here, so I'm going to try to tip toe away, so you can wor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
No, that is most definitely not what I told Seraphita. I told her my family heritage was Presbyterian but that I did not have a religious upbringing. I also told her I was not a believer. So I'm wondering where you got the impression that I was a "devout Christian." I remember another time w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ann, I suggest you go back to how this topic began. Judy threw out the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with reference to Robin. I said I thought those phrases were inaccurate given that Robin himself called his enlightenment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda, sorta seems like you had your eggs in the "e-mails with me basket" sorry about that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Nowhere near, Stevie baby. Here's what you claimed: "And then we have his daily confessional with his friend at Starbucks." And: "My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, feel

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Re "I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.": It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I regard both "wings" as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but paradoxically a soc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672 Interesting to read this again, I don't ever go back and search and re-read stuff here. But I don't see anything about any confessionals at Starbucks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
It's true, Judy, my intention is not to analyze what Robin wrote. My intention is to say that I think your phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin are inaccurate given that he said his enlightenment was a delusion. I don't think it is attacking of someone to refe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Ann, I suggest you go back to how this topic began. Judy threw out the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with reference to Robin. I said I thought those phrases were inaccurate given that Robin himself called his enlightenment a delusion. That is how this discussion began. BTW

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
and yikes II, this is pretty revealing. I didn't realize how deep the attachment went. Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone here. The two o

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Ann, actually I think this is where you and Judy go off track! Judy once told Seraph that she was raised Presbyterian. Judy has mentioned reading the ecclesiastical novels of Susan Howatch. In light of the current topic of God human union, I wanted to know what Judy thought as well as what she t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
sounds like this one hurt Judy. kinda has your ire up for some reason. and yikes, I guess I pushed the mother of all buttons, claiming I knew something about Robin you didn't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Um, I think it's close enough Judy. But to someone who as a matter of course cannot see the forest for the trees, it probably has no semblance. Kinda, sorta seems like you had your eggs in the "e-mails with me basket" sorry about that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Oh, hi

[FairfieldLife] The earliest holiday destination

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
When mankind first left the African birthplace of our race millennia ago where did they head to first? Fair England has that honour. This green and pleasant land was an irresistible draw to our common ancestors. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26025763 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Oh, hilarious. Of course, this doesn't say at all what you claimed, does it, now? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672 Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is. If he said it, it will be there in the record. Without being too boastful, my memory is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
My memory is excellent, and I followed Robin's posts more closely than anyone here. The two of us were good friends and had extensive email correspondence. You repeatedly get things wrong that have happened in the past. I never saw him say anything like what you imagine. You made the claim, y

[FairfieldLife] RE: Another Interesting "Take" on Addiction

2014-02-08 Thread s3raphita
Re "I'm pretty right wing when it comes to this stuff, I admit it.": It's funny how people feel the need to apologise for being right wing. I regard both "wings" as equally deluded. (My heroes are maverick outsiders - but paradoxically a society of radical individualists would be a healthier

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328672 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is. If he said it, it will be there in the record. Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty good. My impression is that he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, I don't know what the point of arguing about it is. If he said it, it will be there in the record. Without being too boastful, my memory is pretty good. My impression is that he had nothing to do with e-mails, and seemed to predate his participation here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogro

[FairfieldLife] RE: ANDY KAUFMAN, MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, SECRET OF COMEDY

2014-02-08 Thread dhamiltony2k5
I luv seeing andy's face again. He was a continuous joy to be around. Always working material everywhere and anywhere. Now I am remembering the Orono one month course the summer after Maharishi stopped doing the one month summer courses. Charlie Donahue hosting the course talent show,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
You've got something screwy here, Stevie. He may have been talking about email, in which case he probably meant with me. But there was no "daily confessional." My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
My recollection is that he did, indeed say that he has a friend he meets with most everyday, at Starbucks, (I believe), in whom he confides thoughts, feelings. I would say this was a couple months before he stopped posting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: emptybill doesn't k

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
emptybill doesn't know what he's talking about with regard to Robin, his reams of quotes notwithstanding. "Daily confessional with his friend at Starbuck's"?? Robin never said anything remotely like that. Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated the nat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
You missed the word "ontological." Quoting me: “Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there can be no ontol

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sun 09-Feb-14 00:15:03 UTC

2014-02-08 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 02/08/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 02/15/14 00:00:00 100 messages as of (UTC) 02/09/14 00:13:14 19 authfriend 16 awoelflebater 12 Share Long 11 steve.sundur 8 salyavin808 8 TurquoiseB 6 Pundit Sir 4 nablusoss1

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Ha! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologies have clearly explicated the nature of union with God – at least as far as that is possible for humans. However, he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about Catholic/Ortho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Okay, thank you for feedback. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from the period that he was posting here. I left FF and MIU shortly before he made his big

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread bhairitu
(Snipped) How Ann See "Bawwy"

[FairfieldLife] Swami Lakshmanjoo and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2014-02-08 Thread nablusoss1008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SdkYo2pTk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4SdkYo2pTk

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Bhairitu

2014-02-08 Thread bhairitu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > On 02/07/2014 10:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >

[FairfieldLife] ANDY KAUFMAN, MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI, SECRET OF COMEDY

2014-02-08 Thread nablusoss1008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELvH98lix8&list=PLqEG-7-U8GbXnckJGVk-cOvLpFS0Qb4bD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELvH98lix8&list=PLqEG-7-U8GbXnckJGVk-cOvLpFS0Qb4bD

[FairfieldLife] RE: Adaptive pitch test!

2014-02-08 Thread cardemaister
Whoa! Thot it was the other way round: How well can you distinguish subtle differences in rhythm? This test will play a series of two rhythmical phrases and ask you if they are the same or different. Unlike the similar tonedeaf test, however, the differences between the phrases are only

[FairfieldLife] Adaptive pitch test!

2014-02-08 Thread cardemaister
http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right or wrong? Sh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Again, Share, your question is incoherent. Robin never said "enlightenment defined as union with God is wrong," for example. You made that up. I'm telling you, this whole topic is over your head. Your intention is not to understand what Robin wrote but rather to find yet another way to beat up o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the person with whom I'm having the discussion! Here is where Barry and you go off track. Just because Judy is trying to explain how ROBIN felt and what he believes it does

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, if Robin thinks that his experience of union with God was a delusion, then there is no validity to his saying that enlightenment defined as union with God is wrong because he did not have it! How could he know if it is right or wrong? On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 PM, "authfri...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
We've had this discussion before, Share. Yes, it's inaccurate. Search your memory. And my beliefs, such as they may be, have nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion, so just drop that angle of attack, please. << Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, what your beliefs have to do with this discussion is that you're the person with whom I'm having the discussion! And I've gotten the impression that you're a devout Christian. Is that inaccurate? What does it mean that Robin said his union with God was a delusion? Is this where the evil f

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Yes, that's what it means. Me, I haven't a clue. (What do my beliefs have to do with this?) Yes, Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a delusion. << Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there can be no union between God and human? And do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, does ontological union mean: due to their respective natures, there can be no union between God and human? And do you also believe that there can be no ontological union between God and human? Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? On Saturday, Februar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there can be no ontological union between human beings and God. << Jud

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Again we see Barry's perennial confusion between "So-and-so said" and "What So-and-so said is true." No matter how many times it's explained to him, he simply cannot grasp the distinction, so he makes the same stpid mistake over and over. I believe Robin was sincere in what he said.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
I can't say as I'm surprised, but no, you aren't getting it, Share. I think you're determined not to get it because of your personal animus against Robin, which shows up so clearly in your last paragraph. Here's where your "logic is off": the words "rather than." As far as Robin is concerned

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, where it is off: Robin said he was enlightened. Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion. Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enli

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, do you think Robin thinks ALL forms of realization, awakening, enlightenment, etc. in ALL traditions are a delusion? On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:28 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of consciousness, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Absolutely correct. He was insistent that enlightenment is a real state of consciousness, and that he was in this state for 10-plus years. What he says he came to realize is that the state itself is delusional--the experience of being one with God, the identification with Self rather than self,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoecultist wrote: > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > > > Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think > > it's inaccurate to use the phrase "en

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, where it is off: Robin said he was enlightened. Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion. Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enlightened. I also want to add that I recognize that I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's inaccurate to refer to it as "genuine enlightenment." See my later post about this to you. And I am not saying I agree with Robin only that his experience was his exper

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I wonder how many more times Barry will need to get shot down in flames before it dawns on him that he appears a screeching, babbling idiot. Let's sincerely hope never. I speak only for myself but I find reading Bawwy to be one of the most h

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoecultist wrote: > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: > > > > Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think it's inaccurate to use the phrase "enlightened days." > > Here is the important point Share:

[FairfieldLife] RE: For Salyavin

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Oh nice, I know Hebden bridge, went for a day out there from Skelmersdale when I was hanging with the movement. Proper nice country town with loads of great walks in every direction. You can't go wrong. Unless you get lost on the moors

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from the period that he was posting here. I left FF and MIU shortly before he made his big splash there. I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened. OK, just read this now after posting m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think it's inaccurate to use the phrase "enlightened days." Here is the important point Share: Robin believes "true enlightenment" to be a delusion, an illusion. It is not

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: News You Can Use

2014-02-08 Thread Pundit Sir
A new study says that educated people marrying each other has increased inequality by 25 percent: "Okay, it probably isn't fair to blame Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan for our widening income gap. But it is fair to say that When Harry Met Sally tells us something about why the rich have been getting s

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
I wonder how many more times Barry will need to get shot down in flames before it dawns on him that he appears a screeching, babbling idiot. No one was. There *were* no "enlightened days." There was only Narcissistic Personality Disorder acting itself out. Hee, hee, says Bawwy who was ove

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