Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed huma

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, do you remember what guys you saw

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

One can find illumined people in satsanga teaching quietism and piety blended as meditational in guided chakra or subtle energy knowledge. Someone like Ammachi is teaching and bringing pietism in the help she gives through the field effect of darshan and her spiritual practices as modalities to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Ever had to return to the abode more than once? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully con

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Mike, You've got a point there. I can think of a passage where I believe it was Abram who struggled with an unknown heavenly entity through the night and won. He asked, "what is your name?" It was at this time, as I recall, he was renamed Abraham and was granted the destiny of having de

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Steve, that's an interesting point about the physiological changes being too subtle to show up. But I'm hoping I'll notice it if digestion gets better, which is one prediction (-: I'd say for me what I notice is a change in my energy state, which has become more settled over time. And I admit I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/17/2014 8:29 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So you're perfectly OK with someone else deciding for him or herself whether it is appropriate behavior, and living accordingly? Even though he or she could be deliberating whether to kill you? People who say dumb stuff like what you said ab

Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

Barry practices the Viagrayana as described in the Second chapter of the retranslated Shiva Slutras. It is the only vehicle (ekayana) he can grasp that still has a stick that slots. Maybe that is why he gushes about it when it works. It's not Buddhist though but that doesn't really matter 'cause

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann wrote: Of course, one would also have to define "bad behavior" beyond the obvious. Share replies: It's an interesting exercise when you consider that in the Gita Lord Krishna was basically telling Arjuna to kill people. But to do so "estab

Re: [FairfieldLife] Roller Girl

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For those who seem intent on turning my reportage into some kind of horribly misogynist failing, I shall expand upon what I meant by "adjusting her breasts for maximum effect." The lady in question was wearing a tight tank top with no bra.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I just assumed these graphics are produced by that sweaty stud muffin on the motorcycle (-: No, no, important distinction - he was a bicycle rider. You don't sweat riding a motorcycle and motorcyclists don't wear those huggy biking shor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/17/2014 8:11 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The first paragraph here is a good example of what Maharishi meant by "Knowledge is structured in consciousness." > If a person is not conscious, there would f

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

On 5/17/2014 8:49 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You have to admit, this theory kinda covers all the bases... Still stewing are you? Jim is playing you Bawee and laughing himself silly watching you continue to gripe. Keep it up, I think you're making his day, maybe even his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

On 5/17/2014 8:29 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, I *do* agree with him in believing that Maharishi was WAY off in coming up with any meaningful interpretations of and descriptions of consciousness and what it means. > If MMY was way off, then you'd have to disagree with

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 19-May-14 00:15:07 UTC

Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 05/17/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 05/24/14 00:00:00 281 messages as of (UTC) 05/19/14 00:14:03 44 Share Long sharelong60 33 fleetwood_macncheese 25 awoelflebater 23 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 22 authfriend 21 dha

Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

On 5/17/2014 8:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maharishi cited a passage in the Shiva Sutras that told the story of how one ancient sage in SLC enlightened an entire village of ignorant rabble with just one wag of his willy. > You illiterate, the /Shiva Sutra/ do

Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

On 5/17/2014 8:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As I remember the lectures, the gist of the concept is that after a few years of being in Brahman Consciousness (or at the very least claiming that one is), even the BC-ers get bored trying to convince the ignorant

Re: [FairfieldLife] The transition from BC to the state that comes after it

On 5/17/2014 8:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Does anyone else remember Maharishi's occasional talks on ATR courses about the state of consciousness that comes *after* Brahman Consciousness (BC)? I remember that it was referred to as SLC (for Shiva's Lingam Cons

[FairfieldLife] Renowned entertainer Jim Carrey to speak at Maharishi University of Management commencement

Jim Carrey, award-winning actor, author, and philanthropist, will be the commencement speaker at Maharishi University of Management’s graduation ceremony on Saturday, May 24, 2014. Maharishi University of Management -> Top News http://www.mum.edu/RelId/694102/ISvars/default/Top_News.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

On 5/17/2014 8:29 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The phenomenon of witnessnessing can be *generated*, merely by stimulating the proper areas of the brain. Furthermore, once the subject has experienced it via stimulation, it is possible for them to "bring on" that experience

[FairfieldLife] Another TM Meditator Who Knows How To Play

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, you willfully turns what Maharishi said upside down which makes you, as several here not just me has pointed out, a bogus and a liar. He claimed and rightly so, that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. You still make

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Witnessing

On 5/17/2014 8:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The first paragraph here is a good example of what Maharishi meant by "Knowledge is structured in consciousness." > If a person is not conscious, there would for him be no knowledge of any kind, philosophical, religious, or s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

No, you willfully turns what Maharishi said upside down which makes you, as several here not just me has pointed out, a bogus and a liar. He claimed and rightly so, that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. You still make the very untrustworthy claim that your knowledge

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking

You don't want to be too rigid though. Just suggest that as a courtesy don't be to lazy to start a new topic. After all it is easy to do. However, Buck, you sound as rigid as the TM teachers who drove the good people out of the movement. These people made themselves self appointed gestapo.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Hi Share, I don't follow the discussion on scientific research that goes on here, but I used to have that assumption as well about the brain functioning of an "fully developed" or enlightened individual. But I am revisiting my opinion about it. Now, maybe this has been discussed here, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully conscious of their entire inner world. C: The term fully developed is not meaningful for me. It is in th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One can't argue with deluded people. When Curtis claims knowledge is not structured in consciousness he wants us to believe that he is the same when tired, in deep sleep, after a couple of drinks, when playing "music" and in meditation. C: Ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: One of the sexiest TM'ers?

She is 57 ? Wow, thank's for posting ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm a much bigger fan of Sharon Isbin, which isn't surprising, given my background. Incidentally, Professor Isbin is 57 and has been doing TM for 41 years. It shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5XJ5Q

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, do you remember what guys you saw that proclaimed their enlightenment in those days? C: The most famous were Robin and Andy Reimer. But there were others who were on the no admittance list at the College of Natural Law in DC. I remembe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

One can't argue with deluded people. When Curtis claims knowledge is not structured in consciousness he wants us to believe that he is the same when tired, in deep sleep, after a couple of drinks, when playing "music" and in meditation. Right. If anyone doubted Curtis was delusional/and or a l

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking

Om The Desecration of Subject Headings: It is a large discourtesy when some folks hijack a substantial thread into other directions without taking the time to 're-subject' the heading that we all come to find on the web page or in our mailboxes. This should be a serious FFL guideline and people

[FairfieldLife] Fw: 8 of the World's Most Beautiful Gardens, How Your Mind Impacts Your Metabolism, Is Gluten 'Sensitivity' Real?

for Bhairitu... On Sunday, May 18, 2014 4:56 AM, Care2 Healthy Living wrote: Healthy Living 8 of the World’s Most Beautiful Gardens   It's finally May and, for us in the Northern Hemisphere, it means one big thing: the world is in bloom again! It's the perfect time of year, then, t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

Yes he did, and it came up because Krishnamurthi had said he could "lead the horse to the water but not make him drink". A real teacher can make him drink, given that he is motivated. It must be added that Krishnamurthu himself said in one of his last recorded conversations that he had waste

[FairfieldLife] FFL Thread-jacking or Subject-jacking

Yes it is seriously bad form. -Buck noozguru writes: It's called "thread hijacking" or "topic hijacking" and considered bad netiquette and usually product of a net noob. Turq even defended it once but he doesn't seem to do it anymore. Apparently Yahoo is sending emails as "restricted"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dentistry and Bad Teeth

No I didn't see that post. If use address me as Bhairitu then my filter will find it. Noozguru won't work as it is in the header so it would put all the posts in the Bhairitu folder. This is a very noisy group that goes off on tangents I'm not interest in. On 05/18/2014 01:30 PM, Share Long

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

The Bible is loaded with personal experiences of pure awareness, so said Maharishi. He had one group read the pslams at one point on our six month course. Personally, I had never read the Bible until a few years ago. When I did, it knocked my socks off! The pages were full of experiences I had b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip Besides, as I've pointed out, the *only* reason these TM researchers are looking into it in the first place is because they believed Maharishi when he told them that "witnessing" was meaningful in terms of some kind of higher state of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

  On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:06 AM, "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   Salyavin, My responses are in red letters: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

One don't see so many Ritam Bhara Pragya or 'inspired' people as modality as often; however, Connie Huebner is a fabulous example of a classic school of inspiration teachers operating in Ritam Bhara Pragya, very much like the mystics of the old Amana Colony tradition going way back into a Europe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Buck, just off the top of my head, I'd call Francis Bennett a teacher. I'd call Kirsten Kirk a healer. I'd put channelers in a different category. Doesn't seem like enough categories. Maharishi and Amma I'd call masters. On Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:17 PM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dentistry and Bad Teeth

right, noozguru. Hey, speaking of which, did you see my post to you about the research indicating that what people think affects their metabolic rate? On Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:27 PM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   How do you know they don't read your post?  You

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dentistry and Bad Teeth

How do you know they don't read your post? You mean they don't respond to it? Some are just looking for a convenient post to respond to if they don't want to be off-topic to raise a point about the topic. On 05/18/2014 11:45 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Buck,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Dentistry and Bad Teeth

It's called "thread hijacking" or "topic hijacking" and considered bad netiquette and usually product of a net noob. Turq even defended it once but he doesn't seem to do it anymore. Apparently Yahoo is sending emails "restricted" groups with the sender being just the group email so you can't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Someone like Francis Bennett more recently coming out now awakened on batgap.com is teaching now in a blush as a Quietist. Quietism is an earlier word to transcendentalism. Francis now it seems is one in old quietism like TM'ers are more narrowly modern day transcendentalist quietism. Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Curtis, do you remember what guys you saw that proclaimed their enlightenment in those days? From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dentistry and Bad Teeth

Buck, I found that when I wrote a new Subject line, people did not read my posts. So I probably won't do as you request. bu On Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:41 PM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   Ahem,  Re-title-ing, the subject line of your contributions here.  You guys ju

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dentistry and Bad Teeth

Ahem, Re-title-ing, the subject line of your contributions here. You guys jumped the thread of a perfectly good subject line again to something other. As a communal courtesy to others would you people please change the subject line when you hijack a thread. Change the subject line acc

[FairfieldLife] Publishing to FairfieldLife

Just rectifying the Subject Line to the new thread. In community service, -Buck Carry on: noozguru@...> wrote : I was looking at one of the Yahoo Groups I get via email the other day and all the posts were listed as from the email of that group. It was still normal on the web site. It

[FairfieldLife] Dentistry and Bad Teeth

Ahem, Re-title-ing, the subject line your contributions here. You guys jumped the thread of a perfectly good subject line again to something other. As a communal courtesy to others would you people please change the subject line when you hijack a thread. Change the subject line according

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Thanks, I get it - I still don't know how you are defining it, but I get that you equate it with the other three, minus the baggage. What does "functioning in a very healthy way" mean to you in terms of something that could be determined using an fMRI? Where do you get the 99% criteria?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

You make some really good points, Lawson. As for CC not being simple relaxation, I've often thought that one of Maharishi's most genius insights was expressed in the phrase "restful alertness."  On Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:57 AM, "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   I dont' believ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Emily, I use the phrase fully developed human to avoid using words like enlightened, realized and awakened. I think these three words carry a lot of useless baggage with them. Taking a science perspective, my guess is that if we were to do an fMRI or similar measure on a fully developed human,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Richard, The manna discussed in Exodus was supposedly the excretions on the leaves of a certain plant in the Sinai desert. These were collected in the morning and were eaten for sustenance by the Hebrews. Also, the people were able to catch migrating birds rather easily on the desert bec

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Mike, That's a good point too. So, one can say that this was the experience that Moses had in Mount Zion, in symbolic language. And, the principles he cognized as necessary for the development of consciousness are the Ten Commandments that were etched in stone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Share, can you please define what you mean by "FULLY developed human?" You talk of this fairly often - what is it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person wo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Moses and Consciousness

Salyavin, My responses are in red letters: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He may have predated MMY by discussing consciousness as basis of all knowledge in the Bible passage: "I AM WHO AM" Popeye saw the wisdom of t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

I dont' believe an enlightened person would ever tell non-enlightened people to simply "pay attention" as a way of escaping bondage. Telling someone to pay attention deliberately is so far from what it is like to be in CC as to only be a cruel joke to even suggest as a spiritual practice, or a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Roller Girl

Those attending today's Bay to Breakers race in San Francisco can see a fair amount of adjusting not to mention flopping. ;-) http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/103rd-Bay-to-Breakers-off-to-typical-weird-start-5487248.php On 05/18/2014 09:15 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Lawson, Curtis and others, do you think a FULLY developed human has an unconscious or subconscious? I think that such a person would be fully conscious of their entire inner world. On Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:39 AM, "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   It really doesn't matter if s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

Lawson, I think Tolle popped into enlightenment. And then he noticed certain behaviors. For example, that he was, what he came to call, living in the Now. So that's what he taught. But I think living in the Now is a result of becoming enlightened rather than a technique for getting enlightened.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"   It really doesn't matter if she is OK with it or not, as not matter what, that person is going to decide "to behave a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

It really doesn't matter if she is OK with it or not, as not matter what, that person is going to decide "to behave appropriately." Of course, someone in CC doesn't decide to behave appropirately. Their "self" merely watches. It is the thought processes, and other decision-making processes, b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

turq, there is a lot of behavior that wouldn't be ok with me whether or not the person was established in Being. I've said many times here that I assess a person and what they say and do by how their energy feels to me. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't feel good if they were attempting to kill me! W

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

So you're perfectly OK with someone else deciding for him or herself whether it is appropriate behavior, and living accordingly? Even though he or she could be deliberating whether to kill you? People who say dumb stuff like what you said about the Gita and its lessons are always thinking about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

I simply don't consider him enlightened, at least within the parameters that MMY laid down. Of course, as I pointed out, MMY might be wrong, but then again Eckhart Tolle may simply be deluding himself as well. The "gap" between thoughts that we call "pure consciousness" during TM isn't ju

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Of course, you may be right. On the other hand, modern science is very much materialistic. If two different physical states give rise to the same self-report, modern science calls them two different physical states that happen to give rise to the same self-report, not "two different ways of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Ann wrote: Of course, one would also have to define "bad behavior" beyond the obvious. Share replies: It's an interesting exercise when you consider that in the Gita Lord Krishna was basically telling Arjuna to kill people. But to do so "established in Being." I think the ultimate consequence

Re: [FairfieldLife] Roller Girl

For those who seem intent on turning my reportage into some kind of horribly misogynist failing, I shall expand upon what I meant by "adjusting her breasts for maximum effect." The lady in question was wearing a tight tank top with no bra. She was stopped looking into the window of a shop, us

Re: [FairfieldLife] Casino blues

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk

I was looking at one of the Yahoo Groups I get via email the other day and all the posts were listed as from the email of that group. It was still normal on the web site. It seemed only to be a one day occurrence however as it was back to normal the following day. On 05/18/2014 06:22 AM, 'Ri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Ann, I just assumed these graphics are produced by that sweaty stud muffin on the motorcycle (-: On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:42 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My God, Ann, where do you find these graphics?! Heh,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Lawson, you are trying to define the *subjective* experience of "witnessing" in terms of a few isolated measurements taken by TM researchers who were looking for some way to "prove" the dogma they had been taught to believe. Researchers very much CAN induce "witnessing" in a lab in terms of subj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Curtis and turq, yes I am aware that there are boards for certifying dentists. I ignored that path of discussion because there isn't such a system for certifying spiritual teachers. My main point is that individuals need to exercise due diligence. In the absence of a certifying board, one can g

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

A note: "witnessing" ala the research on Cosmic Consciousness is a state that appears to be highly unusual. It is associated with coherent alpha-1 EEG in the frontal lobes of the brain. There's no way that I am aware of to induce coherent alpha-1 EEG in someone. Researchers have induced h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

Lawson, I think there are a lot of enlightened people around these days, including Tolle. But I also think that there are very few enlightened teachers. WRT to taking their theories and or practices to heart, I mostly go by how his or her energy feels to me. If they feel ungrounded, unintegrated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, first I'd ask you to operationally define *being considered a dentist.* Does it mean clients go to that so called dentist and let him or her work on their teeth? C: It means being certified by a board who looks after the public's welfare i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Share, try not to be such a dimwit. For dentists, there is an actual certification process, and licensing boards that one can contact to see whether they are licensed and have a good reputation. There is no such thing in the world of self-proclaimed spiritual teachers or those *claiming* to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

In this case, whatever Eckart Tolle is talking about, is ipso facto not CC, let alone GC or UC. Of course, some may argue that his awakening is more profound than those baby forms of awakening defined in TM practice, and certainly, the entire American Buddhist community other than a few Zen and

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just for da record... I don't need to go into any detail here but just can mention that subjective experiences were never eval

[FairfieldLife] Rick Archer: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/17/2014

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My God, Ann, where do you find these graphics?! Heh, maybe a better question is who creates these things for me to find? On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:46 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoog

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just for da record... I don't need to go into any detail here but just can mention that subjective experiences were never evaluated separated from behavior. I believe that Maharishi got that r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

Lawson, I heard second hand that Maharishi made a distinction between an enlightened man and an enlightened teacher. The enlightened man maybe popped into enlightenment while eating a strawberry. He then proceeds to teach the strawberry eating technique. OTOH an enlightened teacher can see where

[FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle not enlightened by TM standards

I ran into a brief quote by Tolle about dreamless sleep, so I tracked down a book of his and found this passage: Dreamless Sleep You take a journey into the Unmanifested every night when you enter the phase of deep dreamless sleep. You merge with the Source. You draw from it the vital energ

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 6:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue So it always surprises me when I hear tales of people rounding and doi

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Roller Girl

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/17/2014 9:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just a non-sequitur, sitting in this cafe, enjoying the sunny day. It is triggered by the vision of a young, tall, slim, and stunning Dutch girl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

Curtis, first I'd ask you to operationally define *being considered a dentist.* Does it mean clients go to that so called dentist and let him or her work on their teeth? If it does, then I'd say that those probably toothless clients need to find another system of determining who is qualified to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

These days, I tend to believe that subjective claims of "spiritual experience" should ALWAYS be completely discounted and treated as irrelevant poppycock. The only thing that can possibly matter between human beings is how those human beings ACT. If one of them *were* enlightened and acted li

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just for da record... I don't need to go into any detail here but just can mention that subjective experiences were never evaluated separated from behavior. I believe that Mah

Re: [FairfieldLife] To Curtis, on "witnessing"

Richard, I added to your netiquette list. Go figure! 0. Don't snip so that something written by A looks like it was written by B! 1. Don't include a person's real name in the subject line of your post. 2. If it's a personal note to someone in particular, switch to private email for your me

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip ..."I was attempting to capture was something you would have, chronologically, been present for as well, albeit within a different context." You nailed it, you sent me back there. Especially i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

My God, Ann, where do you find these graphics?! On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:46 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : turq, good point and I agree that we're all the same on some level. But if I have a toothache for example,

Re: [FairfieldLife] To Curtis, on "witnessing"

On 5/17/2014 3:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A rap for Curtis, now that the Jim-bot has shouted himself out and probably fallen asleep... > Maybe it's time to review the protocols for posting messages to news forums: 1. Don't include a person's real name in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk

Oh, so you're not talking about the Web site at all. I see. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Judy, first of all, I read FFL posts in my yahoo email inbox. BUT...I have a choice. I can either read and reply in what yahoo calls Basic format or in what they call Full Featured. The l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Clay and Silk

Richard, thanks for the info, I'll think about it. OTOH, I'm pretty accustomed to yahoo Neo and I really like yahoo mail. I think I'd be daunted by how google organizes emails. On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:22 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   On 5/18/

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis, on "witnessing"

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just for da record... I don't need to go into any detail here but just can mention that subjective experiences were never evaluated separated from behavior. I believe that Maharishi got that right. I don't need to say any more about that becaus

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