TorquiseB writes: snipped
Road Trip time. I'm taking August off from
reading and posting to *all* of the Internet
forums I have been participating in, not just
FFL. With any luck I will not return to any of
them. Thanks to all here for being one of the
catalysts to make me realize that I need
Rick Archer writes: Snipped
So you either have to compromise your principles, or lie, which should
compromise your principles, which I suppose is an appropriate
requirement from an organization that doesn¹t have any principles.
Tom T:
Patanjali (Alistair Shearer version)
Chapter 2 vs 36: When we
heshiepothead writes: (snipped)commenting on Judy
It's a stream of constant criticism and rebuttals and invalidating
comments and you seem to have a need to always be right.
Tom T:
Judy would rather be right than be loved. You can't have it both ways.
Choose one or the other.
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Dr Pete writes:
Yes, and the flying sutra allows us to gently lift-off
and fly through the air with the secondary effect of
purifying world consciousness.
Tom T:
And you still believe there is an other?
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> Well said, Jim. This is something that people who
> live in our time and were raised in the affluent
> West really don't understand. I've often thought
> that the best thing that could ever happen to
> America and Americans is to have some kind of
> "compassion draft," i
TorquoiseB wrties (snipped)
I'm a bit of a hard case on this subject :-), but I think
that trusting *anyone* more than you trust yourself is
the culprit here. The problem is not in trusting Maharishi
and what he says more than you trust your own perceptions,
it's trusting *anyone* -- any authority
TorquoiseB writes (snipped big time)
Since many of these well meaning students have bought into "the
enlightened can do no wrong" Kool-Aid, and because they consider
their teacher enlightened,
Tom T:
>From todays 7/10/06 funnies Mother Goose and Grimmy on Kool Aid
http://www.grimmy.com/comics.
Jim Flanegin writes snipped
>From personal experience, I can say that what Maharishi provides is
the complete package for Self-Realization. Is there more after that?
Of course. However, let us first get out of prison, and then after
that we can explore everything else the world has to offer.
T
To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be
true.
Will. It will happen just wait.
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TorquiseB writes snipped:
Life is *full* of contradictions. So, as far as
I can tell, is enlightenment. Before enlightenment,
Chop Suey and contradictions; after enlightenment,
Chop Suey and contradictions. And occasionally a
side order of General Tsao's Chicken, just to
spice things up.
Tom T:
Jim Flanegin writes:
Contrasting premonitions with intuitions, premonitions feel as if
they are sensed from the inside out, whereas intuitions come from
the outside in. At least that is the way I experience them.
Tom T:
It is like that statment you may have heard said here. When one wakes
up wha
TorquiseB writes snipped:
So that's the quandary. Do I send him some money,
in honor of his enduring faith and the fact that
he still has faith in a faithless world? Or do I
not, knowing that from another point of view he's
a spiritual teacher addict, and I'm essentially
one of the people enabl
>From the alistair shearer translation of the yoga sutras of Patanjali
Chapter 2 vs 37. When we are firmly established in integrity, all
riches present themselves freely.
In a conversation with a friend going through a difficult time it
became clear to me that holding any belief as valid or true
TorguiseB writes snipped:
Diggin' in the dirt looking for the cause of darkness is fine if
that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success
with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to
write that experience off just because others haven't.
Tom T:
I guess I have not mad
TorquiseB writes: snipped
One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs
are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim
that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means,
statistically, that everyone over the age of three
is "addicted." The theory itself might be interesting
if you sw
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TorquiseB writes snipped:
Just following up because I think it's an interesting
subject, I think that the key to the above point of
view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to
view the world in terms of one's own experience. The
author in question had problems with addiction; there-
fo
blissbunn1 writes snipped:
Whoever asked about how many meditators, siddha's, teachers yadda
yadda had abusive childhoods is on to a very illuminating thesis. Do
you think a study like that could be included in the collected
research on TM?
Tom T:
>From my 12 year experience in Alanon 12 step
New morning blanket et all snipped
I am curious about your comment. It implies that you see some great
rudeness, nastiness or sin in my comment below. I don't see it. Indeed
it was a bit imitative of Barry's style -- a quick smirk of a comment
-- (perhaps deserving of a smiley face) building on
TorquiseB Snipped
Dude, I took your new screen name at face value, and
took you out of the Pissant Bin long enough for one
test reply to see if you really had turned over a
new leaf. Won't make that mistake again...back in
the bin you go. :-)
Tom T
Ed Zaktely. Some things never change. We cha
Jim Flanegin writes snipped
My attempts to describe IT, the Self, always feel like making love,
Yoga, Union. Rather than pushing IT away, attempts to describe IT,
whether verbally, or through art, or movement, are like mini-vacations
from the dedicated tasks of everyday life, where I can focu
Jim Flanegin writes Snipped:
IT is the simultaneous phenomenon, and all the causitive correlates
are IT also. In the second case, IT causes itself.
Again, we are fooled into thinking we are the cause of IT, when in
fact, IT is the cause of IT. We just don't realize IT when we are
fooled in
TorquiseB writes snipped
I honestly think that what you're *hoping* is that the
description of enlightenment can be internally consis-
tent and logical, so that you can "understand" it
using the rational mind. And you hope that despite
the fact that most of the enlightened throughout
history ha
TorquoiseB writes: sniped
I'm being honest here, not contrary. I never subject-
ively perceived any value whatsoever in any of the
"advanced techniques" I received while part of the
TM organization. I think they are and always were an
mechanism to charge people more money,
Tom T; Yes agree on
TorquiseB writes: snipped
I guess it's fun, if you get off on that sort of
thing, but another kind of dialogue consists of
each person presenting his or her view, followed
by others who present *their* point of view, but
without trying to rip the first poster a new
asshole. Those who compulsiv
TorquiseB writes snipped final para
I'm not going to pursue this whole subject here any
more, though. There is just too much resistance on
this forum to presenting the taking-an-active-role-
in-your-own-realization approach. It's just a waste
of time to talk about it, because the decades of
i
Jim Flanegin writes: snipped
Those who experience liberation also know that as significant as the
state is, there is always further knowledge, further experience,
further integration occurring. I like to refer to the state of
liberation as one of finding vs. seeking, a description that impli
Judy Stein writes: snipped
My very strong suspicion is that the "Yes" can never
be intentional--contrary to what the above suggests--
but is arrived at via the *cessation* of intention
(which cessation can't be intentional either, by
definition).
It's something that *happens to you*, not someth
TorguoiseB writes: snipped
I sat there trying to not have as much fun with the
day as I knew I was capable of having, and then I
caught myself doing it. The moment I did, I was
able to laugh at myself. And through my laughter,
I found my body saying "Yes." Out loud. Weirdest
damned thing.
T3rinity writes:
It will be hard for any outsider to know. This text, I just found on
the net is instructive:
"The nondual state of Nirbija-samadhi is often upheld as the ultimate
state. However, nonduality is the polar opposite of duality. it is
therefore also a function of duality. Liberation
Jim Flanegin writes: snipped
It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the
machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves,
into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and
further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become
th
Jim Flanegin writes:
Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation
experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different
stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve (1) as that
last boundary to break, and right onto Brahman, or was it instead
(2) a very pow
TorquiseB writes: snipped
> I never understood why people go to such lengths
> to believe that their spiritual teachers or the
> people they look up to are "extraordinary." It
> seems to me that it makes more sense to think
> of them as ordinary.
Jim Flanegin writes:
Its the same old quest to
A week or two after coming home from the 1993 course in Washington DC
I gradually woke up one beautiful morning at our boat. It had been
perfect weather for sleeping and I had slept with just a sheet over
me. As I woke up there was an unusual feeling of freedom and serenity.
Since I woke up grad
TorquiseB writes: snipped
Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and re
Since my copy of Jean Kleins "I AM" is out on loan I will paraphrase.
Awakening is instantaneous. Clarity takes place in Space Time.
The bottom line is that we have a real glimpse of what Awakening is
about and afterwards become seekers. You can not seek what you do not
know is out there. The act o
Robert Gimbel writes: snipped
Does the intellect cease to discriminate at all, in Samadhi?
How exactly does the the intellect become more settled, and
then completely settled during TM ?
Tom T:
>From Alistair Schearer version of Patanjali Sutras
sutra 52 From Sanyama on moments and their success
Cardmeister writes:
What do youse think of the idea that plain vanilla
TM is actually "ananta-samaapatti"* mentioned in
YS II 47?
*) becoming endless (boundless, infinite, eternal)
Taimni's translation for "ananta-samaapatti" is
'meditation on the Endless".
Tom T:
>From Alistair Shearer YS II 46
from James Brahas book Living Reality about Sailor Bobs visit to the
US pages 291 and 292. Bob was a Nisargadatta guy who was a former
merchant marine. When he joined AA there were many bobs so he became
sailor bob. You can find him at www.nonduality.com
Bob: What you are doing now is what everone
judy writes;
It's like she's feeling both at once, or each in turn
as she looks first outside and then inside herself.
I'd guess she's never had this experience before, or
never so starkly, and doesn't know what the hell to
do with it. On some level she *wants* to be depressed,
and has good reason
> > > I got "Mihnywy Ajyt, Dark God of Entropy".
> > > Plug in your name and birthday to see what your
> demonic name is!
> > > http://www.kiamagic.com/kia/gnosis/demonname.php
> >
> > I'm Jusxjy Qxoj, Sucubus of Trickery
>
> Zumi, Boggart of Disruption!
Peter
Seducer of Chaos!
Tom T:
Vezayvs ,
Vaj writes: snipped
Correct View leads to gaining confidence in the View but this should
not be mistaken as Enlightenment.
Incorrect View can be ascertained and tested.
Tom T:
Correct and Incorrect imply judgement. Sounds pretty relative to me.
Do you feel like expounding on how this happens a
Anonyff writes: snipped
I have had the experience, over the long years, of becoming very
unboounded and, as it says in the 9th mandala, "liquid, loveable, and
wise." It never lasted more than maybe five minutes. During those
moments I experienced what I can only describe as an infinite flow, a
know
Anonyff writes: snipped
Personally, I think there are as many forms of enlightenment as there
are people, I think that people still get angry, hungrly, lonely,
tired, irritable, sick, and that they act just as spontaneously as
anyone/everyone else and that all this constant intellectualizing is a
f
judy writes: snipped
And if he didn't, was it because the state of
enlightenment makes everything seem easy and simple
*when it really isn't*? Is it possible that the
"easy and simple" sense applies on some level other
than the practical one of achieving a goal, but
that the person who is enlight
Vaj writes:
In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old TM teacher,
an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin Woodsworth Carlsen who was
then living in an apartment in Washington DC. It was actually my
first time at debunking a claim of enlightenment, but when it was all
over
Anonff writes:
> Here it is almost 37 years later, HA!
Peter:
HA! Is that the expression of the final discrimination
into That?
Tom T:
It is my experience that when I hear someone who knows express it that
unique way that only they can, there is an involuntary HA! that pops
up and gets expressed.
Jim Flanegin:
> 1. determination of awakening, or not, of another is something
> sensed on a feeling level. Proclamations do no good, unless the
> person is walking the walk so to speak. Unfortunately it seems that
> the ones best able to see another's awakening are those who are
> awake themselves
Peter writes:
And sad. A collective cheer should go up for
realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara.
Vaj writes:
I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility
that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually
Spiritual Codependence?
Never mind then!
Tom
TorquiseB writes: snipped
Those who say
that they have experienced the goal that is shared
by pretty much the entire group (for example,
enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in
the group who have not had such an experience.
One would think they'd be happy that someone is
actually getting
Tag line from an email I recieved from my son today that seems to
answer this question quite nicely. Tom T
"Where does 'insanity' go?""It goes under 'strengths' as 'we see
things from different angles', and under 'weaknesses' as 'we wear
chickens on our heads'."
bekj and morgan
In a conversation I had with a priest in a Tamil temple he suggested
that dong the Sidhis can burn off 7 lifetimes of Karma in one liftime.
Go figure. Makes some sense to me. Tom T
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Judy writes:
I have to say, though, I'm not as interested in
Shakespeare's identity, incarnational or historical, as
I am in the physical entity who put the words on paper,
if you see the distinction I'm making.
Whoever he was, he was one hell of an incarnation. I'm
inclined to think of him as th
For some lifestreams the saying Brahman is the charioteer goes down as
Brahman is the chauffer of a Lincoln Navigator Super stretch limo that
includes computer controlled dish antenna TV on a 30 inch lcd screen
with wet bar, refrigator, microwave and lovely attendants to make all
life smooth and ea
Anon astute: snipped
Your sincerity sounds about as deep as your profundity.
You appear to hold that as consciousness unfolds, that
"identification" and thus an identity -- an "I", an individuality
claiming doership and ownership remains. If so, tell us more.
Possibilities are infinite. Maybe th
Judy writes:
FWIW, I had that problem too at one time, just as you
describe it. I ultimately found that what I had
thought of as "subtle" was still too concrete. The
mantra wasn't unavailable at all; it was there, but it
was just *so* faint I hadn't recognized it as such.
Once I realized this, I
TorquoiseB: snipped
Bingo. You're on a roll today. Some are convinced
that their subjective experience of Brahman *is*
Brahman, or that "they" are Brahman while that
experience is going on. My view is that there is
a state of attention from which one can experience
Brahman, but it's still Just Anot
Vaj writes:
Incidentally, the helpful sequence for reading the primary Trika/
Kashmir Shaivite texts is:
Pratyabhijnahridayam --the Secret Heart of Recognition
Then the Shiva Sutras
After that the Spanda Karikas
Lastly, the Vijnanabhairava
Tom T:
A friend who is taking his PHD at MUM was taki
Akashanongabbymooserichard writes: snipped
Thats why those that "identify with Brahman" are so hilarious.
Identitification requires an identity. An "I" that identifies with
something. "I identify with Brahaman" means there is an "I". There are
no "I"s in Brahman.
Tom T;
How do you know that to be
Woops screwed up again. Wrong attribution! my apologies Jim.
TOm T
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Break freewill into two words;
Free: It will only cost you every concept you have about it, but it is
absolutely free.
Will: It will happen, bend over.
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Patrick Gilliam writes:
About 20 years ago, after doing a rigorous physical
purification, I started having the loud and persistent
thought, "I love you." I've been perplexed ever since
as to who's loving whom. Is it my small self loving
the large Self? The large Self loving the small self?
Is
TorquoiseB writes:snipped
*On the other hand*, from another point of view,
there may be some value in hearing the vibe "behind"
the words that a person uses to describe an exper-
ience that they know is indescribable. The words
themselves mean nothing, but perhaps the vibe
behind the words can p
TorquoiseB writes; snipped
I wouldn't say that AnonAkaskaMoose was *really* comparing
you to the TM "holy tradition," Jim. What he was doing was
using "tradition" the way it's *always* been used through-
out history. "Tradition" is that thing that people who
have been practicing a set of spiritual
Tom T writes snipped:
In practice it is no different than the martial
artist who knows that without constant attention and
practice he too will be mincemeat. On the one hand he is
the best, on the other hand he could be dead in a moment
if he doesn't stay focused and practiced. Thanks TOm T
Tor
Torquise B writes: snipped
"Everything is perfect just as it is" is a nice
realization to have from time to time and leave
behind, the same way you'd leave behind a nice
acid trip. As a practical way of living, it sucks. :-)
Tom T:
Actually Unc it revolves around that sticky point called the Par
Jim Flanegin writes:
On the other hand, the perfection of the Universe is
incomprehensibly dynamic, a closed Divine system, where as it
changes, Perfection remains.
Tom T:
Since it is my experience that it is a never ending and constantly
growing and deepening, I can not agree that it is a clos
Judy writes:snipped
With one of my clients, every once in a while as I'm
editing his work, I'll come upon a really rough patch
and find myself effortlessly rewriting it, even adding
stuff that should have been there but isn't.
He's always thrilled when I do that. I kid him by
telling him that for
Patrick Giliam writes:
> You have an impulse to speak, and you don't know what
> you're going to say, really -- you just start talking and
> voila, a complete and occasionally correct thought comes out
> in words, one after another. The impulse to speak was vague,
> amporphous, but the sentence
Patrick Gillam wrote:
> What do people think of this? Does it jibe with your experience?
>
> If so, it speaks to the influence of collective consciousness
> on the individual.
Vaj writes:
I would add that they are simply non-local--that is they aren't
exclusive to you. Therefore when a thought a
> Tom T:
> Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
> always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat
> Yuga. Tom T
>
Kevin shanti2218411 writes:
No doubt for the one who is awake it has always been Sat Yuga.However
in the absence of a compassionat
Bob Brigante writes:
The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you
seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned
for the Sat Yuga.
Tom T:
Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and
always will be for the awake. Never has been anything e
With all of the traffic on the above topic caused by a simple concept
that was misunderstood I thought the following quote seemed
appropriate. Tom T
Awakening reveals that there is no personal self,
and that everything is myself.
It appears to be a paradox.
We find we are nothing and absolutely
Sparegg:
Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the
MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent.
Tom T
When my son was a student here in the early 90's one of the students
walked down 4th street and waited for one of the fast freights to go
by. When it was almost upo
Offworld :
"Roger Penrose (1989; 1994; 1996) has proposed that isolated quantum
systems which avoid environmental decoherence will eventually reduce
nonetheless due to an objective threshold ("objective reduction" -
OR) related to an intrinsic feature of fundamental spacetime
geometry (see belo
TorquiseB writes:
It's back to the olde "ends justify the means"
issue. You think they do; I think that the means
*are* the end, and that if one attempts to do
something ethical by acting unethically, then
one deserves the karmas one gets. Since this
seems to be your chosen path in life, I wish
Vaj writes:snipped
his image of Neo-advaitins doin' it en masse at a Satsang just has me
still bubbling bliss bubbles.
Tom T:
That image gives new meaning to the term "Daisy Chain".
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anonff write to Peter:
The experiece was very confusing to have and moreso to describe. If I
were the one doing the witnessing, I would experience myself as
separate from Being. This was not that. I would be, say, standing and
talking to someone, see them, see their mouth moving, hear the words
Vaj writes;snipped
Yuganaddha, two-in-one, is a paradox that's difficult to describe in
linear words. There will automatically be a disconnect between written
descriptions and the experience itself. It cannot be adequately
described by words in written or spoken speech.
Tom T:
Is this the same as
Jim Flanegin:
So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have
Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it
helps him or not, though...
Tom T:
Darn Jim you weren't supposed to tell him. He is such a perfect mirror
of how it used to be that is not hard to r
Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.'
TorquiseB writes:
Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself
for once. What you *meant* by "Let's focus on
substance" was "Let's all talk about what *I* want
to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like
to talk ab
TorquiseB writes: snipped
It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way.
The laughter is going to win. The clinging
to self is going to lose. That's just the
way the world works.
Tom T:
Of course and that is the real joke. No laughing at them, laughing at
the clinging to the idea that can not b
Spare egg writes:
Of course, Barry has never denied his intent to laugh AT people.
Rather he has embraced and defended it. Seems a not very difficult
job of mind-reading to assume something, comment on that assumption,
and get CONFIRMATION of that assumption and therefore to continue to
assume
Akashanon writes: snipped
And Tom still feels a need to vent out at people who disagree with
him, in more courteous tones than "laughing at him", by calling them
"pissing skunks" and to, paraphrasing, "eat shit and die".
Tom T:
Continuing to repeat a lie does not make it so. The last 4 lines of
t
Judy writes:
Sure. But it would be more accurate to say (of the
ant and Barry), "That isn't the kind of attack that
can do you any damage." What makes it an attack is
the intention of the attacker, not the effect on the
attackee.
Tom T:
The thought stopper for me in this was who and how is the i
TorquioseB writes:
> 1. Do you think that a person who is enlightened
> would perceive being laughed at as an attack?
Judy responds:
Yes.
Tom T:
As Neil DOnald Walsh once wrote, "there is only one of US". Once
awakening occurs that is one of the basic understandings that is
unadvoidable. Given t
Anon writes: snipped
This inner-revelation effect seems consistant with what a Maharishi
pundit told me in a jyotish reading. Ironic as it sounds, I asked the
pundit about how and when I could / would find a "teacher" / guru for
personal guidance. He said that for my chart, that was not necessary
Skunk button pushing comments snipped for brevity. Comment below
Alex writes:
> Is it your belief that an enlightened person no longer has an ego or
> conditioned mind?
Akasha/Anon writes:
I think the term "enlightenment" is a label, that serves little
positive purpose -- and its use has many down
TorquiseB writes: Big snip
The show went on to say that the only sane
thing to do with skunks is avoid them, because
pretty much everything scares them, and thus
if you approach them in any way, you're gonna
get all stunk up. Sounded like good advice
to me...
Tom T:
An old politician who had been
I would like to propose that we only have ONE award. We could call it
the Brahman award and we would of course give it to everyone on
FFlife. We would even give it to those who are desperately trying to
avoid the reality that there is "Only ONE of US". We can be so bold to
do this because we are be
Dr Pete writes:
Tom, in all seriousness, have you tried SSRS's
Sudarshan Kriya? It blows out some pretty deep
impressions in the ol' chitta.
Tom T:
Not my issue but a friends. I have been his conduit to work through
much of his stuff. I did not know the details until recently when he
shared the st
Judy Stein writes:snipped
Typically, when they were young, these people were
routinely punished for expressing anger, and they
internalized the notion that anger was a Bad Thing--
not just Bad, but Dangerous to their very survival.
Tom T comments:
When anger is shamed the only option is to turn it
Selling Water By the River
Selections from the Talks of Adyashanti
URL: http://www.zen-satsang.org/WritingSellingWaterByTheRiver.htm
Spiritual people can be some of the most violent people you will ever
meet. Mostly, they are violent to themselves. They violently try to
control their minds, their
TorquiseB writes: snipped a lot
I would say that MOST (and by "MOST" I mean 80-90% of
the people I interacted with during my week in America
were ANGRY. The *first* thing that hits you, if you've
been away for a while is the level of F E A R in the
air. Almost everyone is afraid, all the time.
Judy writes snipped:
I'm not sure that was what Tom was saying anyway. I
*think* what he meant--Tom, please correct me if I'm
wrong--was simply that he has realized experientially
that Brahman is all he sees and all he says (and all
any of us see or say, "wrong" or "right," "bad" or
"good," the on
Anonyff posts:
Peter and Tom,
IF you can keep this going another few rounds, you can be the Barry
and Judy of the gay couples!
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Tom T:
Nice try at mo
It would appear IMHO that we have a person on this list who has
defined his behavior as Satire. THose on the recieving end feel and
know it as sarcasm with a nasty bite, one might even call it rage.
Asking the Fox to tell you the opinions of the chickens in the chicken
house seems inappropriate. I
My son has tag line quotes that automatically add themselves randomaly
to every email. THe following is from Wednesday.
"A master programmer passed a novice programmer one day. The master
noted the novice's preoccupation with a hand-held computer game.
"Excuse me", he said, "may I examine it?"
Unc Writes:
Ah, I see. 'braaahmaan' is really either Tom
Pall afraid to use his real name again or a person
from a.m.t., here to cyberstalk, and equally afraid
to admit to who he is. I should've figured it out
when he arrived and tried as his first action to
completely remake FFL. :-)
I will gra
Since a certain unnamed individual abused the anon log in a lurker
friend who is not a member and can no longer post asked me to post
this as his obversation/opinion cognition.
--- braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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