Ravi Yogi:
Peter - Dan may have requested something unreasonable
like the person's identity but what makes you attribute
anger to his posts. I felt he was hurt rather than mad
when he posted it...
Dan was just saying that a anonymous psycho-therapist
probably should not be casting
TurquoiseB:
Presented for those who still draw
their personal sense of self worth
from the fact that they practice a
form of meditation once practiced
almost 45 years ago by a pop group...
Don't you just hate those Beatles!
If you ever go out in west Texas, boy, I want you
...he was fired since Comcast bought NBC.
authfriend:
Probably not...
Probably he was fired.
According to what I've read, Olberman got fired
because he was too rebellious. Probably no
corporation is going to want to support porn on
television.
His comments about the Tea Party as
It was Vaj who invited me over. And some of us were already
posting on TMNews and TMContra. Sorry to make you feel less
important. :-D
I was on FFL before WillyTex. He joined on Dec 21, 2001, and
I had already made my first post on Nov 8, 2001.
Joe:
so you, Bharritu and Vaj
Alex:
I was on FFL before WillyTex.
Nope, I was here on FFL from day one, lurking,
waiting for the others to find me. It didn't
take very long before Perino came over to FFL
and started trash-talking about me and the MMY.
That's right after the 'dorkflex' made up that
other forum, Yahoo! TM
It was Vaj who invited me over.
authfriend:
Many of us from alt.m.t came to FFL at *Barry's*
invitation--at his *urging*, actually.
He recommended FFL because, he said, it was so much more
*civil* than alt.m.t. Which is highly amusing considering
the nature of his participation here.
It was Vaj who invited me over.
Oh, so you want to blame it on Vaj.
And some of us were already posting
on TMNews and TMContra.
So, you're the guy that posted all that
trash talk about MMY and SBS on Yahoo!
Does that make you feel better, to trash
your old guru and make fun of other
been in infantile tantrum mode ever since. He's
been written off.
Judy? Written off long ago, placed in the same
category as Willytex.
Dan? Been like this w.r.t. me since he arrived. I
haven't stopped reading his posts, just like I
haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because
myself
Subject: Open Letter To Willytex
Author: Uncle Tantra
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-08-06 08:53:26 PST
Vaj:
Dan, have you seen the Maharishi-centered documentary
David Wants to Fly or read Robes of Silk, Feet of
Clay? The latter is on sale. Maybe these would help
understand more clearly?
Dan, don't waste any time or money on anything these
two, Joe and Vaj, are trying to sell you! They
I haven't stopped reading Nabby's posts, because
insanity can be entertaining sometimes...
Sal:
Which is why I still read Ravioli's posts.
As well as now and then, there's actually
something that makes sense.
We can read everything you have to say in quick
review mode; there's no
danfriedman:
I am not upset about someone dissing gurus. Please
stop wasting my time...
Peter is obviously upset because his guru, MMY, was
being dissed in the letter posted by Rick.
Peter should have told us all about his guru years
ago; the Doctor should have warned all his customers
RoryGoff:
Actually, for what it's worth, I heartily
second Vaj's recommendation to read Robes
of Silk, Feet of Clay.
So, how are you going to tell your wife that
you took money out of the household budget to
buy a paperback book for $37.50 so you could
read about MMY's private sex life?
RoryGoff:
It simply looks a little surreal -- a limo in a cornfield...
So, I wonder far far Tony has to travel in the limo to get
to the dome - about a mile?
tartbrain:
Americans' fatigue of Sarah Palin has finally reached reached
its logical conclusion...
So much for toning down the rhetoric!
Let's do a quick survey. How many times last year has someone
on this forum used inflammatory rhetoric against conservatives,
George Bush and Sarah
whynotnow7:
The way I see it is that we can always do
whatever we want to do...
Well, I don't know how I could survive
if I didn't have access to a source of
fresh organic food-stuffs. That's what I want
to do. Eat right to stay healthy!
I must be one of the luckiest or smartest guys
on the
Here are the photos...
TurquoiseB:
Given the personalities, can't you just see a duel
developing...
If your guru the Zen Master Rama was still with us
there would be no contest in a 'dual' - Rama was a
Black Belt!
OK, my cynical tirade aside...
I do feel that people are responsible for their acts...
Alex:
Complain all you want about anonymous posting, but that
rule is not likely to ever change...
All we want is to 'tone down the rhetoric', Alex, and stop
all the bashing of TMers and MMY,
Let's do a quick survey. How many times last year has
someone on this forum used inflammatory rhetoric against
conservatives, George Bush and Sarah Palin?
Bhairitu:
...you conservatives act like hissing rattlesnakes anyway
so we have to do something about you.
So much for 'toning
Peter:
What group is being specifically defamed?
Maybe the author was defaming your group, the
TMO group, the group that tried to hide your
guru's sexual activity with students, the guru
you worked for for all those years, the guru
that you tried to cover up for, the guru whose
actions you
Rick Archer:
Maharaja and Family PHOTOS
So, it's come down to posting photos of Tony's
children on FFL? Maybe that's not a good think
if it's just for Joe's amusement. You think?
I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming
groups exists. I am trying to change those acts
that I come across, or which are targeted at me.
Sal:
Oh, god, we have another Judy clone in here! :)
Really, Dan~~it was a humorous piece of satire
not directed, I believe, at anyone
...you conservatives act like hissing rattlesnakes
anyway so we have to do something about you.
Bhairitu:
Toning down won't do anything or do you really want to
sit around sipping tea with your pinkie sticky out.
Well it seems to me like it's the liberals on this forum
that do most
tartbrain:
As I recall, MMY talked of this, saying if I
remember correctly, that we Transcend once,
after many transcendings...
Meditation takes the mind to transcendental
Self-consciousness, and a natural and balanced
activity infuses the transcendental divine nature
into the mind,
The measure of spirituality is how
much you do for others. Period...
Sal:
Being kind to people, helping others in
need whenever possible, and generally
trying to make things better in whatever
way one can, however insignificant it
may seem at the time. Random acts of
I'm curious, what constitutes genuine
spirituality in your perspective?
TurquoiseB:
It's about something more measurable, what
they do for others as a result of having
had those subjective experiences...
So, how do you measure up?
What spiritual experiences have you had and
what
whynotnow7:
they are also on my publicly don't
read/privately eat-it-up-with-a-spoon
list...
So, I wouldn't be surprised if Turq reads
every single post here, and maybe even
keeps messages on his hard drive, to read
again later. He once was so desperate to
talk to someone he carried on a
Yifu Xero:
crosshairs
So much for 'toning down' the rhetoric! Now he's
got us all in his sights. Go figure.
...by announcing that we're trying to get away
from crosshairs and other allegedly incendiary
language, CNN is aligning itself with those who
blame rhetoric for the killings. And
authfriend:
I'd be really curious to know how Peter got hold of
this study to determine that there was no control
group and that it's pure shit research. It hasn't
been published yet, and I can't find any specifics,
not even an abstract, on the Web.
Maybe Doctor Pete would like to post the
How many nondualists does it take to screw in
a light bulb?
TurquoiseB:
Four:
One to screw it in.
One to not screw it in.
One to both screw it in and not screw it in.
One to neither screw it in nor not screw it in.
Who fukin' cares?
http://tinyurl.com/49oayjt
I'll never forget the wording since I laughed so much
about it later. Was it that I walked the 100 yards or
so into town or the ice cream? I dunno. That point
wasn't important to me at the time.
TurquoiseB:
I had been questioned about walking from my hotel
to get ice cream.
Joe:
It's simple Cult 101: there will be no
questioning and no dissent allowed. Only
blind obedience will be tolerated.
You and Judith ripped me off for the book,
but do you have to be a liar too?
Why you and some others here are trying to enforce
rules about who can respond to who here and how,
is strange at best, and has a decidedly antisocial
tinge to it...
authfriend:
Precisely. Well put.
Barry and Joe just got waxed real good. They are both
probably very angry now, but
When you get busted for eating ice cream (another
story) and laughingwell, it's time to exit. It
took a few more years but I finally did.
Joe:
I can see where you are making that connection from
the way I wrote it, but this was just a reminder, in
a long line of events...that
Remember, Joe, that you're talking to people who
were never a part of the TM movement, although
they would like people to think they were.
authfriend:
Too funny. More fantasy.
(Joe, has it ever seemed to you that I wanted people
to think I was part of the TM movement? Or have I
TurquoiseB:
All one has to do to tell the difference is push
the envelope a little...
Joe:
When rajas do the odd tour (very odd),
they naturally scurry back lickety split
to Vlodrop (or FF or TMO in India)...
From what I've heard, very few rajas
actually live at TM Centers. Almost all of
them live in homes, just like normal
people do. None of the Rajas probably live
at
That last bit Judy is fascinating...
I know exactly what you mean. That
transition between the inner TM world
and the outer normal world is the
stuff that books and movies could be
made out of...
authfriend:
I moved to the Jersey shore for good
in 2002 after living in the
TurquoiseB:
I have participated in meditation retreats
from other traditions in which we were
meditating 12 or more hours a day and there
was no such suggestion to not go into town...
Not sure which retreats you're citing. It's
just a matter of degree. A retreat by definition
indicates going
The Age of Enlightenment (Heaven on Earth); will be
postponed to another era beyond ours. A pity, and
tragically demonic.
sparaig:
MMY's always acknowledged that the TMO wouldn't be a
permanent organization...
Maybe so, but you have to realize that there really is
no TMO, if by
Maharishi had no pockets.
Communism is the most intelligent political system
- Maharishi
Joe:
Calling Willy-Tex,
Not all TMers believe in intelligent political systems.
calling Willy-Tex!
And anyway, the Maharishi has nothing to do with the
practice of TM - you're just
Skip your own individual enlightenment, and
wait till day X when we get all enlightened...
authfriend:
For the record, I never encountered anything
like this...
Nor have I, but from the begginning I was told
about the benefits of group practice being
beneficial to the individual and
docwhammo:
...the war is coming home!
Veracruz Two soldiers and 12 gunmen were killed
during a nearly six-hour-long battle in the Gulf
coast state of Veracruz, Mexican authorities said
Friday...
'14 Die in shootout in Mexico'
Fox News Latino, January 15, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/4ozyog9
cardemaister:
Almost anyone - even down in Texas...
Stevie Ray Vaughan Blues Texas Shuffle Drum Groove
For Guitarist and Bassists To Jam With:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpo3gvCkJ9M
- can play a basic 4/4 drum beat,
but to call someone a drummer seems to require,
that one can play
could someone give me the address to a
forum of discussion that is serious?
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
http://tinyurl.com/6j9q54r
Subject: Update
Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Author: zenworm
Date: January 11, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/4e7o8hm
seventhray1:
http://www.fogodechao.com/
mainstream:
Who was the first to - ahem - fly ?
From what I've heard, the first flyer was Ms Pittman, followed by
Nanakishore
according to Tom Anderson, the course manager at Seligsberg TTC. This
apparently happened aboard the Goddard. That's the first known instance
of
the bubbling bliss
blusc0ut:
This was one of my favorite MMY photos...
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/maharishi_large.jpg
not responsible for the fury of those who say that
thinking can be difficult. No! And, it's not necessary
to retire to a cave, isolated and alone - I sometimes
practice TO on the corner of rush hour traffic!
Read more:
Subject: So, You Want to Learn Meditation
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups
Mike Dixon:
let's not rush to judgement...
The final lesson for the left is this: for the
sake of a second term, the president is willing
to throw liberals under the bus.
He's going to undo their economic mantra (by
supporting the Bush tax cuts). He is going to
undermine their approach
tartbrain:
Films are projections. It would seem plausible,
if not natural, that people who see many such
projections have brains that emulate those
projection...
While the killings have caused many people to point to
the violent aspects of the culture, a closer look shows
little evidence
Fertility Rate Dropping Off A Cliff:
http://www.businessinsider.com/population-growth-video-2011-1
Oh? Here's what Sarah Palin said..
Here's what Paul Kanjorski said...
Rick Archer:
I challenge you to assemble a list of them...
Rick, you have not posted any examples of a conservative
call to kill any elected leaders. We all know how much you
hate Bush and Palin, but you're not
raunchydog:
It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to
insist on an equivalence that does not exist...
The Leftwhich has been unable to discover any
common feature uniting acts of Islamist violence
worldwidenonetheless instantly noticed a bridge
between the Tucson shooting and its
whynotnow7:
Boy, with all of your study and judgment regarding
those in the pub, I'll bet you were the life of the
party!:-)
Do you suppose Turq told them that he was one of the
old farts and that he had been in two cults for over
twenty years and has been in internet chat rooms since
Rick Archer:
They have seen what comes to pass when hate,
venom, ignorance and violence goes unchecked
and unanswered...
To be clear, if you're using this event to
criticize the rhetoric of Mrs. Palin or others
with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a)
asserting a connection
*The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of
Blood Libel ...
Tom Pall:
Saw the sheriff interviewed on CNN...
And don't let the media whitewash the sins of the hypocritical
Left in their naked attempt to suppress the law-abiding,
constitutionally-protected, peaceful, vigorous political
To be clear, if you're using this event to
criticize the rhetoric of Mrs. Palin or others
with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a)
asserting a connection between the rhetoric
and the shooting, which based on evidence to date
would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're
Hey turquoiseb, I don't care what you post...
Sal:
Yes, that's obvious Jim. Especially since about
half of what you post, at least, is in reaction to
something by or about Barry.
And at least ALL, at least, of what you post is in
reaction to what to what someone else posts.
The first is the recent attempt by FFL birthers
to claim that you [Vaj] never learned TM...
whynotnow7:
How you know this without reading my posts I'll
never know...
Don't kid yourself; Turq reads every single post on
this forum. In fact, he's been reading these forums
since 1995. Some
whynotnow7:
he may still be pissed off at that Zen Rama
guy who took all his money.
Well, the Rama guy may have taken all his money,
that is, if the Turq wanted to be in Rama's inner
circle.
From what I've read, you had to give Rama several
thousand dollars every month just to get inside
Rick Archer:
Kennedy Points Finger at Sarah Palin
Well, I think it's fair to say that
Loughner was not exactly a Tea Partier!
Obviously he was too riled up by Sarah
Palin and the Tea Party movement to make
it to the polls, since he seems not to
have voted in the last election.
Read
do.rflex:
It's fundamental to their psychology for
right-wingers to constantly portray
themselves as victims
In the race to see which politico makes the
biggest ass out of himself over the shooting
spree in Tucson, Arizona, we can report that
so far the frontrunners appear to be Rep.
But it's these kind of statements and actions
(putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs)
that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged
feel they have the OK to go ahead...
The images long described as crosshairs or rifle
sights were actually just surveyor's
Joe:
Exactly...just more of Palin's make-it-up-as-she-goes-along
version of truth...
So, you're trying to what, blame Palin and the 'Tea Party' for
killing all those people? But, at the same time, you're saying
that we should 'tone down' the rhetoric? You're not making any
sense.
raunchydog:
The disease of the neo-cons and their enablers
sickens the nation...
So, let's blame the 'neo-cons' and their enablers
for the recent Arizona massacre. Forget toning
down the rhetoric! Let's do something about those
gun-owners and politicians.
The billionaires paying for this
In a middle-aged person's lifetime we Democrats have managed to
see, just to point out a few things, two Kennedy Brothers and
Martin Luther King, Jr. assassinated, the murders of several
physicians who performed abortions, and now this. A little fact
that makes it rather
do.rflex:
Gabrielle Giffords warns Sarah Palin there will
be consequences
FFL informants now race to blame Palin after Arizona
shootings!
Yep, all the leftists out there quickly tried to
blame the Tea Party for this assassination, and it
turns out it was one of their own. I think it's
sparaig:
I agree with the point you are making Willy, but
when you use that kind of language to make it,
people are very unlikely to pay attention.
I just quote our good Sherrif Dupnik at 'em and
leave it at that.
Yes, let's just leave it at that.
If They Bring a Knife to the Fight,
I just quote our good Sherrif Dupnik at
'em and leave it at that...
tartbrain:
Sounds more like a left wing nut case...
Look who else put 'bull's-eye' on Giffords:
Moulitsas, however, had also posted what he
called a target list identifying Giffords.
In a 2008 Daily Kos post,
3. Constantly bombard others with extremely negative
or one-sided portrayals of religion.
TurquoiseB:
On my walk this morning I passed a church, through the
windows of which I heard the voices of children in a
catechism class. I didn't understand the Dutch, but I
certainly understood the
Small Penis Disorder
Sal:
Uh, Rick, Alex~~doesn't this violate the porno rule?
4. Follow an aggressive strategy of attack and withdraw
by stopping to respond and adopting a holier-than-thou
attitude.
...that require the practitioner to return their
focus to an object of meditation (a mantra, yantra,
whatever).
authfriend:
Unfortunately, some who learn TM never quite get the
effortless aspect, including some teachers...
The key word here is focus, which is not included in
TM
Unfortunately, some who learn TM never quite get the
effortless aspect...
seventhray1:
Is TM completely effortless? No, but why quibble about
the amount of effort to introduce or come back to the
mantra. Maybe it's only 90% effortless. I'll give it
a pass on that basis. Is this
Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical
you idiot...
So, you paid thousands of dollars to the TMO to get common,
everyday words found in any Hindi dictionary for free, and
you spent years and years taking courses to learn how to
sleep while sitting on your butt...
Joe:
Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that
list and immediately went to find it on the Palin site...
Isn't it just amazing how some people like Joe can take a
real tragedy and turn it into political propaganda?
Joe:
But it's these kind of statements and actions
(putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs)
that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged
feel they have the OK to go ahead...
If your theory is true, then a lot of people here
who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going
to be
But it's these kind of statements and actions
(putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs)
that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged
feel they have the OK to go ahead...
If your theory is true, then a lot of people here
who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going
Where do we draw the line...
authfriend:
But maybe it makes sense to *start* drawing it
where he's pointing...
So, you do not support the United States Constitution,
but apparently you vote in U.S. elections. Would you
draw the line at the Second Amendment? If we passed a
law that no
wgm4u:
I didn't see any bulls-eyes over any 'faces',
was he lying?
Olberman is a liar - he is part of the problem,
and Joe seems to be his biggest fan. Go figure.
Olbermann then asks the big question of the
evening, 'Is the implication there that there is
at least a possibility that
Joe:
Here's what you do...
Well, I guess this pretty much proves
that Joe is not a TM Teacher. Maybe he
never actually got iniitited. Go figure.
My only contribution to this silliness was to tell
Marcio the truth about what he would be paying $2500
a pop FOR. I feel no obligation to lie about that
just because a teacher I once worked with decades
ago expected me to.
authfriend:
Of course, as you know, there would be no
According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
Barry2 said they were all in books...
cardemaister:
Hmmm...how can you guarantee, that a native speaker of,
say, English, gets the correct pronunciation of a biija-
mantra from a Latin
According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
Barry2 said they were all in books...
Vaj:
I don't recommend people getting mantras from books
for meditation practice...
So, you must have posted the link to the TM bijas on
FFL for a
emptybill:
So if you are leaping and bounding at your heart
chakra then you must not be able to break free of
this body coffin...
The chakras are not the physical body; they are the
constituent turnings of the subtle, transcendental
body. Bija mantras are 'thought-instants', not words
with
Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
only the bija subtly until I forget...
sparaig:
I would never consider practicing any
extension...
Are you seriously suggesting that the only
way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
everyone knows that the
Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over
ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to
explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness.
Vaj:
Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical you
idiot.
So, you paid thousands of dollars to the TMO to get
yifuxero:
And then there are the partial truths...
is there any 'partial truth' to Vaj's claim
that MMY murdered SBS? You failed to make any
comments on that, so I pretty much wrote you
off as an impartial critic on this forum.
Marcio:
could you be more clear I sit and repeat
Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra?
Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's
more like 'chanting', which can cause you to
remain on the conscious thinking level. All you
need to do is wait innocently for the bija
emptybill:
When and Where did you learn the Transcendental
Meditation technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?
Yes, I learned TM from the Maharishi himself in 1963
at the original SRM on Santa Monica Blvd in LA, and
got advanced techniques from Jerry Jarvis and
Satyanand in 1968 and at Rishikesh in
Peter:
Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard
and go learn how to meditate properly...
You idiot - he already said that he has
been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years.
What he wants now are advanced techniques.
You are a spiritual teacher - do your job!
Why don't you teach him a
Peter:
Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't
going to learn how to meditate correctly if you
just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but
you have to be taught how to do it.
So, why should anyone have to pay money to learn
how to 'think' a bija mantra? What happens to all
yifuxero:
And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise
you may not transcend and the repetition of your
life-less mantra (even with the correct technique)
will be a dead end...
You're not describing TM - are you saying that Jerry
Jarvis or Bevan Morris have a lot of 'Shakti'
yifuxero:
Richard: I don't quite understand your point.
Are you suggesting that one should get the
bija mantras from a book and not get an
empowered mantra through Initiation?
According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
Barry2 said
Marcio:
You know where I can find these advanced
techniques? I do not want to pay dollars
to learn...
Maybe Turq and Vaj could teach you for free?
Apparently one is in Amsterdam, NE and the
other up in Maine, USA. I'm sure they would
be willing to help you, since they know so
many
TurquoiseB:
Among the many lifestyle changes I have had to make
upon moving to the Netherlands (investing in hats,
gloves,
You moved from sunny Spain to cold Netherlands just so
you could smoke pot in a cafe and dial out on an
iPhone2?
Go figure.
slippers, etc.; learning to like frites
Anyone know all the techniques taught by
MMY... ?
Vaj:
Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not
include TM Sidhi program.
Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US
dollars.
That's a lot of fertilizer.
Does your wife know you spent 12 years and
$20,000 to learn how to
The most fun paid-for app so far is Jamie Oliver's 20
Minute Meals,the best-selling iApp in the UK; shake it
and it gives you a tasty, healthy meal you can prepare
in 20 minutes.
PaliGap:
Seems folks are complaining - Just another case of
something that's supposed to take just 20
How many of these is the national debt?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/01/national-debt-2010.h\
tml
With gasoline currently above $3 per gallon nationwide and
economists expecting that price to rise even further in 2011...
Read more:
'Top Five Things Obama Has Done to Raise Gasoline Prices'
http://tinyurl.com/39aunf5 http://tinyurl.com/39aunf5
http://www.sanantoniogasprices.com/
Neat toy. I take back some of the Bad Things I've said
in the past about Apple and Steve Jobs. Some of them...
Bhairitu:
So you're now officially a member of the Cult of Steve?
I guess once a cult follower always a cult follower...
Sold out to Apple and Steve Jobs! Barry thinks a
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