[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
Per the comments on perceiving the finest Relative, aka GC, I personally think one of the purposes of such experience is to: 1. Confound the small ego by providing it with an unfathomable experience, leading it astray from the comfort of boundaries, and 2: At the same time ensnare the heart

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the purity of the knowledge. Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: respectfully. Perhaps you mean to say here, disrespectfully. Let's be honest, please. you have decided

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or rub ghee on my poor pitta head! Gotta keep that Shivalingam well-oiled, hey, Peter? Upon this Rock will I build my church :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/17/05 8:42 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading of purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of spiritual fascism. If idol

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip That said, I find his tone and style relatively mild, polite and seems to acknowledge other POVs. To be honest, while I do like you and your posts a lot, sometimes you use a tone and style that appears quite emphatic, absolutist,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am Kansas City. Peter Is London. Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, yes sir! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, They went and built a skyscraper seven stories high About as high as a buildin' oughta grow! So are those seven stories sleep, dream,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with what you stated, it is very important. As for my understanding to just follow my instincts per se could lead to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything's up-to-date in Kansas City; They've gone about as far as they can go, They went and built a skyscraper seven stories high About as high as a buildin'

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip How do you defend against this. Anyone, teaching, or branch that you don't agree with can conveniently be labeled

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/05 8:42 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words. You admonish someone for doing something that has nothing to do with you all under the heading

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip How do you defend against this. Anyone, teaching, or branch

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/17/05 8:35 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. Depends on who's doing them, don't you think? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/05 8:35 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: god-consciousness ? how so? I think rituals are 95% empty. Depends on who's doing them, don't you think? Since Einstein, Relativity I very much think

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just storieslots and lots of stories. I suspect you, I, *and* akasha could probably agree on this one :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-17 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god- consciousness, not Brahman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Ben, great story and very uplifting. The sentiments you expressed matched many of mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught my

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread jim_flanegin
Oops hit the wrong button earlier... Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed event IMO. The broken heart thing also strikes a chord...It shows me how powerful our mantras are, that they could purify

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed event IMO. I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread jim_flanegin
Hi, It depends on how the idols are appreciated. If it is a lively appreciation, which it sounds to be, then OK! In my opinion it is right to question everything in the context of Reality. However there is always a question posed when we appear to question that which is outside ourselves,

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path. snip There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. I already related to that, see above. lurk Okay, I can handle difference of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a valid case here. By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me that benjamin collins is going

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread Vaj
On Apr 16, 2005, at 7:23 PM, anonymousff wrote: There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals; the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals. It could be the case that our friend is doing both the pure

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-16 Thread anonymousff
lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But, there is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final word regarding spiritual development. I already related to

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-15 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-15 Thread shempmcgurk
Thank you, Ben, great story and very uplifting. The sentiments you expressed matched many of mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught my daughter to meditate My daughter is 10. She is tall and blonde and has bright eyes and a

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with 2 elaborate altars with a 3 foot stone Ganesha and a 4 foot Durga along with Vishnu, Lakshmi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread rudra_joe
: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: I don't mind hearing about other peoples' kids when it sounds healthy. Not too sure, though, about making kids live with "2 elaborate a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread rudra_joe
in the world was money, and then I would have fallen from the path and become a thug. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread benjaminccollins
Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful. Scary? How do you get that? the Ganesha is big and fat and friendly looking. The Durga is an antique from a temple, carved out of mango wood. The paint is

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread jim_flanegin
Really sounds lovely, and I bet your kids do love it in there! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey...who you callin' unhealthy. My kids love the puja room and go in there to read or do home work because they find it peaceful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-14 Thread Cliff
I have a 5 foot dancing Ganesh in our house - kids think it's pretty cool. But we don't do elaborate pujas to it - just a simple Jai Ganesh song every morning to greet the day in a thankful way. Kids just ignore that part of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snsnip My kids all know that I meditate, and that I do pujas, and go to the Hindu Temple. There are lots of Ganeshas in my home and it is all part of their world. But I have never pushed it on them. We

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread benjaminccollins
Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains unaffected by all the TMO crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread rudra_joe
P.S. I've got three young kids of my own. Maybe that's why the last thing I want hear is about other little kidslurk---Wow Man, I've heard it all. I thought it was really a fine story and great. I've encountered every single viepoint here at this group on everything. You're a fine and

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I knew there was a risk publishing this story on FFL! I probably deserve the slings and arrows. But I think that the experience of initiating was worthwhile. It is the one true thing that remains

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread Cliff
I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that lurkermore apparently has a less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids isn't your problem. I have kids as well and really enjoy hearing other parents tell their stories - pass- ing your wisdom to your kids is a way of gaining

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed your story. The fact that lurkermore apparently has a less-than-fulfilling relationship with his kids isn't your problem. You know, you can go on a perfectly wonderful vacation. Really enjoy

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread benjaminccollins
No, no wife any more. She is pretty tolerant (from a distance) but thinks I am 1 step away from Hare Krishna craziness and dancing in the airports. The kids like it though and sometimes pick flowers to do Ganesha pujas. When we were married I had a puja altar and did pujas a lot. But all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story

2005-04-13 Thread rudra_joe
is going to eat ice cream all week even if it kills him. - Original Message - From: Cliff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story I thoroughly enjoyed