aaad those horizons a bit.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
*From:* "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
I should also ad
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I
love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr.
Nancy and the Druke's wife converted.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Kedem
Also, my lovely daughter has been dating a "Modern Orthodox" man, so my family
is learning quite a bit. So here's some background on The Day:
Yom Kippur http://judaism.a
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I
love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr.
Nancy and the Druke's wife converted.
It is always good for a Doctor's reputation to h
Dan, thank you so much for posting this wonderful knowledge about Judaism. I
love all the Hebrew aphorisms and sayings. I can totally understand why Dr.
Nancy and the Druke's wife converted.
On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:06 AM, danfriedman2002
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yaho
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard
(who is a buddhist), protecting the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Dear Ann,
Thank you for the lunch invitation.
You will be pleased to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled
to be invited.
We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetit
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit.
>
"The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people havi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard
(who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift).
Apropos of nothin
Dear Ann,
Thank you for the lunch invitation.
You will be please to know that my wife will be joining us. She was thrilled to
be invited.
We both look forward tom seeing you and are skipping our breakfast to keep a
hearty appetite.
Your appreciative guests.
P.S. I love Thailand (
see and explore. The TM movement
is just on little bit of it.
Exppd those horizons a bit.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: [Fair
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread Sleep
and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach. >
You might be interested in this paper by Gackenbach on the exper
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Excellent! Sounds like a great honeymoon - When we first met, mid-90's, we
would go to this divey but safe, psuedo-polynesian bar (with the requisite
homemade wallpaper of nude women in the men's room), called, The Kon Tiki -
Great bartender -
Excellent! Sounds like a great honeymoon - When we first met, mid-90's, we
would go to this divey but safe, psuedo-polynesian bar (with the requisite
homemade wallpaper of nude women in the men's room), called, The Kon Tiki -
Great bartender - name was Harold. We brought in some drink umbrellas
On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Thanks for taking up this Issue, while I needed to step away to reread
Sleep and Dreams: A Sourcebook Compiled by Jayne Gackenbach.
>
You might be interested in this paper by Gackenbach on the experience of
lucid dreaming among TMers and its relation
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
First she sailed around the world, with one other person, in a 32' boat, and
then we met. Instantly discovered faraway places we have both been, including
past lives (Japan and Western US) - We complement each other very well, once
again. A m
First she sailed around the world, with one other person, in a 32' boat, and
then we met. Instantly discovered faraway places we have both been, including
past lives (Japan and Western US) - We complement each other very well, once
again.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit.
>
"The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people havi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard
(who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift).
Apropos of nothin
On 10/2/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
>
And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit.
>
/"The EEG evidence supporting the reality of witnessing is that people
having these experiences exhibit one of the EEG signatures of
transcenden
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not
mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that
they "Never fall asleep." ... When hooked
Don't forget to pop into the Louvre - and I'll be watching you two scamps, so
don't get lost! (PS In a past life, I was the grandfather of the security guard
(who is a buddhist), protecting the Mona Lisa, on the day shift).
Apropos of nothing, there is a nondescript eating establishment, in a
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
If the formatting was wrong, here's w
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not
mean shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that
they "Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their
physiology during
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enli
[FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
"He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either."
Er, talk about selective quoting. There
groups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
"He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either."
Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the
discussion section,
The subjects self-reported having pure consciousness at all times, including
witnessing sleep, as i understand it.
And the measures included EEG, not just interview questions.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Lenglish" " I should also add that the criteria for being incl
Witnessing sleep isn't directly correlated with "wandering mind.:"
The EEG pattern and general location of active brain centers during pure
consciousness is similar to normal mind wandering except the EEG is a bit
slower, far more coherent and the power in the EEG frequencies that are
associa
Turquoise said: "...And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean
shit. ... Such as that there is a subset of patients who complain that they
"Never fall asleep." ... When hooked up to machines to monitor their physiology
during sleep, these folks *are*, in fact, experiencing all
Lenglish" " I should also add that the criteria for being included in the
studies that Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year."
What was the measurement / validation criteria for witnessing sleep?
The validity and usefulness of the studies findings correlate with the degree
of "w
rfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that
Fred did was having witnessing sleep for a year.
And someone should add that "witnessing sleep" may not mean shit.
One of my scienc
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":
L1: We ordinarily think my self as this
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
I should also add that the criteri
From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on "Waking Up" by Sam Harris
I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred
did w
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":
L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies
. . . my exp
If the formatting was wrong, here's what the interview responses were like
from the enlightened test subjects to the question "Describe your self":
L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies
. . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. I
I should also add that the criteria for being included in the studies that Fred
did was having witnessing sleep for a year.
THere were several people interviewed who responded in a way that suggested to
me (and to Fred also, from what he has said) that they were in GC or UC, but
there weren't
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said.
It's not bad. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind.
So this paper is not about enlightened people. Kinda is, Fourth State and Fifth
State c
"He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either."
Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the
discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking
about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming a
But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said.
You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper
is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of
opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal.
Fred Travis published research on enlightened people.
This review paper looks at the research:
Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals
of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/ful
"5. Neurologically speaking, banishing the self must equate to a certain level
of unscheduled tinkering with neurotransmitters and receptors, just because we
can modulate the potentials of our conscious experience doesn't mean that those
states are fidelitous to some input from our external, or
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
>
I agree that ranking 'levels of enlightenment' is bogus. I
wonder where he got that idea from?
>
The propensity for numbers is one of the hallmarks of Indian philosophy. One of
the oldest Indian doctrines is the Samkhya on which is based Yoga,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Curtis writes (in part):
I figure I am as enlightened as I need to be to pursue my own goals and the
self chosen purpose for my life. Hard to get me excited with promises of more
inside. Whatever internal state I have seems to do the job nicel
Curtis writes (in part):
I figure I am as enlightened as I need to be to pursue my own goals and the
self chosen purpose for my life. Hard to get me excited with promises of more
inside. Whatever internal state I have seems to do the job nicely, the bigger
task of my life is actualizing it i
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I agree that ranking 'levels of enlightenment' is bogus. I
wonder where he got that idea from? Making people talk too
much about their experiences is also a bad idea. It can make
a person lose focus and perspective.
It was the perfect methodol
I agree that ranking 'levels of enlightenment' is bogus. I
wonder where he got that idea from? Making people talk too
much about their experiences is also a bad idea. It can make
a person lose focus and perspective.
A true guru's job is only to direct and not lead. He is a
teacher and not a
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Yay, Curtis chimes in!
M: Hey man, thanks for the greeting.
I'm still a fan of "silence" -- that is: states of lesser excitation. Not
sure why
M:
Cuz we are junkies brother. Pure and simple conditioning, synaptic slaves. Or
maybe it is beca
Yay, Curtis chimes in!
I'm still a fan of "silence" -- that is: states of lesser excitation. Not
sure why BECAUSE OF YOUR DOUBTS which have infected me. I hope you're
satisfied.
Don 't know if this vid has been posted at FFL before...mustabeen, but here
'tiz:
The TM Movement CULT http
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