--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --But Shakti comes from the teacher, igniting the student's Shakti.
Now do you know?
Does lightning strike downwards, from cloud to earth,
or upwards, from earth to cloud?
As it turns out, both. From
http://screem.
--But Shakti comes from the teacher, igniting the student's Shakti.
This helps eradicate obstacles to the immediate apprehensionof Pure
Consciousness.
A dirt clod is equally "The Absolute" or, emptiness, compared to
MMY or a Buddha; but dirt clods don't help much. Therefore, there
are other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Some good points.
>
> On different responses to darshan, MMY made clear, at least from
his
> side, and presumably he was pretty attuned to the dynamics of SBS'
> darshan, if not of a much larger group, by tradition.
Thanks, Turq, both for the further response and the image of the monk
provided. Fine stuff.
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
> wrote:
> >
> > Turq, yes and no, really. Except for your experie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Turq, yes and no, really. Except for your experiences in places of
> power that you had no prior expectation of anything special, I'd say
> no; the reason being that there was some, albeit perhaps slight,
> antic
As a narcissist, it's hard for me to enter the POV of another, and I'm
thinking that this may be a major dynamic in my never having had the
experience of receiving shakti from darshan.
I'm thinking that some disciples can want so badly to be seeing
through the eyes of their guru that, well, I hate
Turq, yes and no, really. Except for your experiences in places of
power that you had no prior expectation of anything special, I'd say
no; the reason being that there was some, albeit perhaps slight,
anticipation of something special in the other instances you
mentioned. For instance, the mu
"> Takes me a six pack, pint of Jack, four joints and a tab of E laced
> with meth and LSD."
Then you got ripped off on the weed, and the pill they sold you as E
laced with meth and acid was a generic vitamin.
Conclusion, change dealers! You deserve better.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
ne thing that Tom has talked about in the context of satsang is the
resonance within a group that is consciously communicating about
consciousness; that there is a stepping up of the vibration within a
group like that that expands one's own consc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Certainly the mindset (of the darshan receiver) and the setting are
> factors which provide a fertile ground for the experience of a
> purported saint's darshan. Most interesting to me would be the
> occassion i
You guys are cheap drunks if a six pack can getcha to nirvana.
Takes me a six pack, pint of Jack, four joints and a tab of E laced
with meth and LSD.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "There's nothing in what you said to convince anyone there is any
> higher purpose served by a Guru..."
>
> Correct.
>
> But I didn't really get your 7-11 six pack point. Who buys their
beer
> at 7-11's ja
Comment below:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I like the idea that it is all the student when it comes to darshan,
> but for a different reason than MMY. I think it is an innate human
> capacity probably from our primate culture of domi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "There's nothing in what you said to convince anyone there is
> > any higher purpose served by a Guru..."
>
> Correct.
>
> But I didn't really get your 7-11 six pack point. Who buys their
> beer at 7-11's
"There's nothing in what you said to convince anyone there is any
higher purpose served by a Guru..."
Correct.
But I didn't really get your 7-11 six pack point. Who buys their beer
at 7-11's jacked up prices?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the idea that it is all the student when it comes to darshan,
> but for a different reason than MMY. I think it is an innate human
> capacity probably from our primate culture of dominance.
> It was a u
I like the idea that it is all the student when it comes to darshan,
but for a different reason than MMY. I think it is an innate human
capacity probably from our primate culture of dominance. Add to this
hours of waiting in states of meditation and boredom and you have a
perfect formula for an am
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas'
because
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy:
> PST: Maharishi is NOT A GURU. Never claimed to be, has made it
> clear that he isn't.
> > > >
> Lurk:
> Maharishi not a Guru? Isn't that, as they say, a bit disingenuous?
> >
> Judy:
> Huh?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because
> of
> > >> the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh
>
Some good points.
On different responses to darshan, MMY made clear, at least from his
side, and presumably he was pretty attuned to the dynamics of SBS'
darshan, if not of a much larger group, by tradition.
{Paraphrasing} 'It all comes from the student.The student thinks it
all comes from the t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because
of
> >> the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh
> >> 'cognized the Vedas'?
> >
> > Never heard that Maharishi "cognized th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> > > The point is- who is there to cognize something?
> >
> > jim_flanegin wrote:
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:58 PM, new.morning wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote:
> > >
> > > Personally, I question whether or not he is enlightened
> > > especially when he started damning de
On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:55 AM, george_deforest wrote:
>> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because of
>> the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh
>> 'cognized the Vedas'?
>
> Never heard that Maharishi "cognized the vedas".
> Could you spezify please ?
FWIW
On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:58 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I question whether or not he is enlightened especially
> when he started damning democracy and suggesting Bush was Hitler,
that
> doesn't strike me as comi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
> wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi's Apaurusheya Bhasya has made clear to the world for
> > the first time in the history of mankind that the sequence of
> > the Ve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because
of
> >> the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh
> >> 'cognized the Vedas'?
> >
> > Never heard that Maharishi "cognized th
>> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because of
>> the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh
>> 'cognized the Vedas'?
>
> Never heard that Maharishi "cognized the vedas".
> Could you spezify please ?
FWIW, Maharishi is credited with cognizing
the "uncreat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does triggering deep spiritual experiences necessarily mean the
> source of that experience is enlightened? Is a murti in a temple
> "enlightened". It can trigger powerful spiritual experience to
> some. Is love enl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>> There's even a name for it now: nutdiving.
Nutdiving has been one of Vaj's favorite hobbies for years. No
substance to the claims from this fellow, as usual. ;-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> > The point is- who is there to cognize something?
>
> jim_flanegin wrote:
> > > I am not calling into question anything else regarding siddhis
or
> > > oth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because of
the
> rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh 'cognized
the
> Vedas'?
Never heard that Maharishi "cognized the vedas". Could you spezify
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cognitions and revelations are what my guru had prior to
enlightenment and also this
> what s gave my Guru the understanding that enlightenment was
there. As I said, there
> was a time where my guru could know anything a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MMY functions as a Sat Guru for some and not for
> others. Being a Sat Guru is not some sort of formal
> title. You trigger That awakening in someone and you
> are their Sat Guru.
Actually, strictly speaking, according to t
Pretty darn good questions again, New Morning. I think the various experiences
come from our varying expectations. I went to see Amma, got real close to her,
didn't do the hug thing. I was never impressed, felt no dharshan. Yet a friend
of mine swears by her -- the dharshan for him is intense. I
MMY functions as a Sat Guru for some and not for
others. Being a Sat Guru is not some sort of formal
title. You trigger That awakening in someone and you
are their Sat Guru.
--- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Judy:
> PST: Maharishi is NOT A GURU. Never claimed to
> be, has
Judy:
PST: Maharishi is NOT A GURU. Never claimed to be, has made it
clear that he isn't.
> > >
Lurk:
Maharishi not a Guru? Isn't that, as they say, a bit disingenuous?
>
Judy:
Huh??
Lurk:
Thank you. No surprise. You actually echoed by sentiments about your
comment more concisely.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
>
> " wrote
>
> PST: Maharishi is NOT A GURU. Never claimed
> > to be, has made it clear that he isn't.
> >
> Maharishi not a Guru? Isn't that, as they say,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
PST: Maharishi is NOT A GURU. Never claimed
> to be, has made it clear that he isn't.
>
Maharishi not a Guru? Isn't that, as they say, a bit disingenuous?
lurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Replying to New Morning's excellent questions (below) on this
thread:
>
> It appears that all these people we hold up as enlightened
masters wear the shine off their halos the more we get to know them.
I s
Replying to New Morning's excellent questions (below) on this thread:
It appears that all these people we hold up as enlightened masters wear the
shine off their halos the more we get to know them. I say the reason is our
concept of enlightenment. If all that means to us is that the person
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Personally, I question whether or not he is
> > enlightened especially
> > when he started damning democracy and suggesting
> > Bush was Hitler, that
> > doesn't strike me as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I question whether or not he is enlightened especially
> when he started damning democracy and suggesting Bush was Hitler, that
> doesn't strike me as coming from someone who is enlightened!
Your posts raises
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> wrote:
> > Funny, I never heard it either. That a blissninny
> > may have asserted it here doesn't mean the TMO is
> > "putting it forth."
> >
> > You remind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> >
> > > > Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas'
> > > > because of the rumor spread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:44 PM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'co
On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:44 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
>
> > > Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas'
> > > because of the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
>
> > > Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas'
> > > because of the rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids)
> > > that Mahesh 'cognized the Vedas'?
Such
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
>
> > > Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because
of
> > the
> > > rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that
Mahesh 'cognized
> > the
> > > Veda
On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> Ron, is the reason you mentioned 'cognizing the vedas' because of
the
> rumor spread by TB's (probably purushoids) that Mahesh 'cognized
the
> Vedas'? This is one of many self-perpetuated myths the org puts
forth
> to help justify devotion/inve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Ron wrote:
>
> > Response:
> >
> > I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not
> > enlightened. I can only
> > provide some intellectual response. Such as, the vedas is not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The point is- who is there to cognize something?
jim_flanegin wrote:
> > I am not calling into question anything else regarding siddhis or
> > other powers prior to enlightenment. All that is said about that,
I
> > agree
On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Ron wrote:
Response:
I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not
enlightened. I can only
provide some intellectual response. Such as, the vedas is not what
is cognized, it was
relative things cognizesd- vedic math is relative, so it jyotish,
Cognitions and revelations are what my guru had prior to enlightenment and also
this
what s gave my Guru the understanding that enlightenment was there. As I said,
there
was a time where my guru could know anything about something and other such
things
The point is- who is there to cognize so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote:
> >
> > If you have never had any personal contact with MMY I
> > can easily understand why a person would say MMY is
> > not Realized. Especially the last decade or s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you have never had any personal contact with MMY I
> can easily understand why a person would say MMY is
> not Realized. Especially the last decade or so he has
> made many an outrageous comment. So, from a conceptual
> l
I'd rather not comment on the question about the Vedas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> >
> > Response:
> >
> > I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not
> enlighten
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Response:
>
> I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not
enlightened.
> Comment: If you or anyone else can explain to me how the Vedas can be
> cognized *before* enlightenment, I owe you a nickel. Suc
I have a few responses to some statements made below:
"If one knows what ice cream tastes like - one doesn't
say it is said to taste sweet - this is not the words from knowing
directly."
This conclusion may or may not be correct. The use of the word "said"
may indicate an idiosynratic use of
Response:
I will ask my Guru to comment, as I have been saying, I am not enlightened. I
can only
provide some intellectual response. Such as, the vedas is not what is cognized,
it was
relative things cognizesd- vedic math is relative, so it jyotish, and
scripture. when all
relative is gone,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
wrote:
>
> > Hey ! How do you KNOW that Bush isn't the Hitler of today ? ;-)
>
> Hey, you're right, I give, Bush is the next Hitler! Especially since
> his term w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:35 AM, BillyG. wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> > >
> > > > 3. Speaking about Kundalini and exp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey ! How do you KNOW that Bush isn't the Hitler of today ? ;-)
Hey, you're right, I give, Bush is the next Hitler! Especially since
his term will expire next year! :-OOO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> --- "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Remember the post about MMY saying a doctor could
> > prescribe for you a
> > medicine and still be sick himself? (paraphrased) It
> > doesn't matter
> > whether or not MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
>
> > 3. Speaking about Kundalini and explaining " it is said to be at
the
> >base of the spine",
>
> I believe this statement is from MMY's lecture on Kundalini, a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:35 AM, BillyG. wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> >
> > > 3. Speaking about Kundalini and explaining " it is said to be at the
> > >base of the spine",
> >
> > I belie
--- "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Remember the post about MMY saying a doctor could
> prescribe for you a
> medicine and still be sick himself? (paraphrased) It
> doesn't matter
> whether or not MMY is enlightened, he is NOT a
> personal Guru, as such
> the idea of whether or not he is a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:35 AM, BillyG. wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> >
> > > 3. Speaking about Kundalini and explaining " it is said to be
at the
> > >base of the spine",
> >
> > I beli
On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:35 AM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 3. Speaking about Kundalini and explaining " it is said to be at the
>base of the spine",
I believe this statement is from MMY's lecture on Kundalini, as such I
think you make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 3. Speaking about Kundalini and explaining " it is said to be at the
>base of the spine",
I believe this statement is from MMY's lecture on Kundalini, as such I
think you make an interesting point, is MMY functioning from A
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Ron wrote:
>
> > 1. "I had felt caged in all these years from not living in a
proper
> > vastu
> >
> > Response from my Guru when I asked is anything had ever caged
her
> > in- no
> >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Ron wrote:
>
> > 1. "I had felt caged in all these years from not living in a
proper
> > vastu
> >
> > Response from my Guru when I asked is anything had ever caged
her
> > in- no
> >
> >
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