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> > sparaig wrote:
> > > You're being rather vague here Judy.
> > >
> > Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to,
I g
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> sparaig wrote:
> > You're being rather vague here Judy.
> >
> Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
>
> > Was this intentional...?
> >
> Well, I think it was her intentio
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
> > >
> > +++ Shirley is a jester ?
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > bob_brigante wrote:
> > > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life
celibate,
> > > > or so I understood.
> > > >
> > You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
> > Lexicon, the S
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> > > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
> > >
> > +++ Shirley is a jester ?
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> anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > Would a real Maharishi goes into business?
Bhagavad-giitaa, VII 16:
catur-vidhaa bhajante maaM janaaH
sukRtino 'rjuna
aarto jijñaasur **arthaarthii**
jñaanii ca bharatarSabha..7.16..
7.16 O Arjuna, foremost of the Bharata dynasty,
four classes of people
of virtuo
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
> >
> +++ Shirley is a jester ?
Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma?
sparaig wrote:
> Regardless, my recollection isthat he was originally called
> balraj brahmachari.
>
You are mistaken - he was originally called 'Mahesh', named after the
Lord Shiva, his family's personal diety.
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> bob_brigante wrote:
> > > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate,
> > > or so I understood.
> > >
> You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
> Lexicon, the S
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> Shirley, you jest.
>
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> > > > On Ap
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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> > on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at willytex@ wrote:
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> > > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > >> If it is not available to non-initiates how woul
sparaig wrote:
> You're being rather vague here Judy.
>
Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
> Was this intentional...?
>
Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just
another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
know-it
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> > > > On Apr
bob_brigante wrote:
> > Doesn't "Bal" mean "boy" - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate,
> > or so I understood.
> >
You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the
sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the fee
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> Would a real Maharishi goes into business?
>
All the rishis bought and sold cattle - haven't you read the Vedas?
> Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and
> watch me on TV?
>
In India millions of people watch Maharishi on TV - not sure if they
watch fro
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> > >
> > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just a rumor? Why, ou
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> >
> > On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> > > a "leading suspect"!
> >
> > Don't
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> On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
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> > > It was a shock at the time.
> > >
> >
> > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage
> > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of
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> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> >> know this information?
> >>
> > By getting himself i
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> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> >> know this information?
> >>
> > By getting himself i
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> > > know this information?
> > >
> > By getting h
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> Richard J. Williams wrote:
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> >markmeredith wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> >>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> >>meditation practi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > > It was a shock at the time.
> > >
> >
> > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the
rage
> > in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn o
Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>>So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
>>>Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a
>>>meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija
>>>mantras is widespread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>Vaj wrote:
>
>
>>We've discussed your
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> On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> > a "leading suspect"!
>
> Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student
> of Guru Dev'
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>> anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how wou
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> >
> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> > > know this information?
> > >
> > By getting him
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> on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > anon_astute_ff wrote:
> >> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> >> know this information?
> >>
> > By getting himself in
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> anon_astute_ff wrote:
>> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
>> know this information?
>>
> By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
> studying with his master for thirteen years?
>
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> anon_astute_ff wrote:
> > If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> > know this information?
> >
> By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
> studying with his maste
Vaj wrote:
> Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
> student of Guru Dev's, who said it.
>
There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a
leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was
started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> know this information?
>
By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
studying with his master for thirteen years?
> Does his name contain Saraswati?
>
Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh w
Richard J. Williams wrote:
>markmeredith wrote:
>
>
>>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
>>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
>>meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
>>
>>
>>
>So, it's a common practice all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> > a "leading suspect"!
>
> Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
> student of Guru Dev's,
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > It was a shock at the time.
> >
>
> You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage
> in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history.
It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student
poisoning hi
> > The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
> >
cardemaister wrote:
> AFAIK, that's "raama", not "ram".
>
You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition
- it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as
a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedan
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
> Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> a "leading suspect"!
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student
of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes!
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> wrote:
> >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > > It was a shock at the time.
> > > >
> > sparaig wrote:
> > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have be
> > There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at
> > Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the
> > Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's
> > face.
> >
jim_flanegin wrote:
> Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its
> worst. Guru Dev was de
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> > >
> > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
> > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
> > headquarters matha
> > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
> > Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a
> > meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija
> > mantras is widespread.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many
> time
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
> the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say
> 250 years).
Actually Willie, I was aware of all this.
> For all we know, the real Shankaracha
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>
> Vaj wrote:
> > > It was a shock at the time.
> > >
> sparaig wrote:
> > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
> > the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
> > o
Vaj wrote:
> > It was a shock at the time.
> >
sparaig wrote:
> You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
> the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
> of history.
>
Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
the succession at Jyo
sparaig wrote:
> Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique
> involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called)
> from Gurudev.
>
Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama
was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami
Bra
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> > Brahmananda. S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found
out
> > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of
Swami
> > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama'
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>
> markmeredith wrote:
> > Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> > of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> > meditation practice, but they seem to be very
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely
> resembles Sw
markmeredith wrote:
> Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
>
So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
> As di
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most
> closely
> > resembles Swami Brahmananda's ow
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
> > It's very ubiquitous.
> >
> So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
> Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
> similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is
> wi
sparaig wrote:
> ...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a
> controvesial will didn't make the connection for you?
>
It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact,
Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the
Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, an
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> >
> > wayback71 wrote:
> > > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
> > >
> > wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore p
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> wayback71 wrote:
> > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
> >
> wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
> training - he just needs to have the current
Vaj wrote:
> It's very ubiquitous.
>
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread.
> Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras.
>
So, you d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> > >
> > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati
sampradaya,
> > the Dasanami
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
> > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> >
> The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
> the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
> headquarters matha of Swami Brahma
Vaj wrote:
> Which matha are you particularly referring to?
>
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was
Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Srin
wayback71 wrote:
> Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
>
wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit
in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the
Superr
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
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>
> The Chopra deal presented a fork in the road for the most TMers, since
> to public appearances, Chopra was the new Maharishi. Accepting Tony
>
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