I think Curtis could put your commie list to blues music and it would be a side
splitter. You, me and Grate could be chanting do-wap in the background. The
Four Busketeers!
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On May 10, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > > Vaj wrote:
> > > > On May 10, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do peo
everyone just assumes it. the DL is the Baskin Robbins flavor of the month
funny looking eastern guy. westerners, like Vaj, are very naive when it comes
to enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > The interesting story of world-renowned psychologis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> >> On May 10, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do people just assume that?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> It would depend how you defin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> > Is the Dalai Lama enlightened? Or do people just assume that?
>
>
> It would depend how you define "enlightenment". Certainly beyond
> Stream Enterer, the Path of Seeing most likely.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> > >
> > > Vaj wrote:
> > > > The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and
> > > > the resolu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and
> > > the resolution of a lifetime of anger.
> > >
> > > "A related project had its roots
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and
> > the resolution of a lifetime of anger.
> >
> > "A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private
> > exchange Paul Ekman had with t
On May 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
wrote:
On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote:
I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and
appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote:
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> > I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and
> > appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he
> > has the power of pacification, w
On May 10, 2009, at 12:45 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>> I wouldn't confuse shakti darshan effects, like you're describing,
>> with the transmitted recognition of enlightened mind which can lead
>> to
>> pacification (Skt.: prashanti). These are different phenomenon.
>>
>
> Perhaps you did not follow
On May 10, 2009, at 11:55 AM, grate.swan wrote:
>> Actually (as I've postulated here before) IME TM and the TMSP do not
>> lead to pacification, so no, it is not a valid comparison.
>>
>> Actually Grate falsely assumed I was referring to some landmark
>> scientific study, when I was not referring
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> In fact often it's only when one
> > moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the
> > recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of "shock" or
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 12:15 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >>
> > In fact often it's only when one
> >> moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the
> >> recognition dawns. Tha
On May 10, 2009, at 12:15 PM, grate.swan wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
In fact often it's only when one
moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the
recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of "shock"
or
"surprise" can facilita
and the DL is a putz. a nice enough guy, but sort of the nerd of spiritual
teachers-- talks in very obtuse language, not terribly effective, and has
managed to make a name for himself only because outsiders have taken over his
medieval oligarchy, while he was unable to do anything about it. sort
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> I initially experienced nada from Ammachi, until I had the recognition
> that she was at the level of shakti. Instantly on that recognition,
> there was an acknowledgment from her, which was interesting that the
> recognition seemed recipr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> > >
> > > Deli Lama: A sandwich.
> >
> > A...very good, Grasshopper. Now, to see
> > whether you have l
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote:
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> > I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and
> > appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he
> > has the power of pacification, w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
In fact often it's only when one
> moves oneself, shifts oneself in some way that unknowingly the
> recognition dawns. That's also why in many cases a sense of "shock" or
> "surprise" can facilitate such recognition.
I think the "mechanics
On May 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, grate.swan wrote:
I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man, and
appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However, if he
has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the Chinese
leaders -- who upon pacification will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, raunchydog wrote:
>
> >> It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If
> >> you
> >> want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope,
> >> but
> >> it's not that helpful
On May 10, 2009, at 10:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> If you think about it, it explains the experience
> of the person Vaj has been talking about. His
> latent "attributes" of ahimsa and compassion were
> ready to be awakened. Put him in the presence of
> a teacher whose life has been a veritable sh
On May 10, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man,
and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However,
if he has the power of pacification, why does he not u
On May 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, raunchydog wrote:
It's about having the appropriate instrument for investigation. If
you
want to look at the stars, it's fine if you have a nice telescope,
but
it's not that helpful if you're trying to observe the stars from the
back of a moving motorcycle. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> The recognition theory explains this in that not
> every teacher one meets is aware of or accessing
> the attribute or quality that is "ready" to "wake
> up" at the time you meet them. But some are. So
> you tend to "get something" fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> >
> > From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission
> > isn't necessarily universally received.
>
> If it even exists. There are perfectly viable
> theorie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
>
> From my own experiences, a teacher's spiritual transmission
> isn't necessarily universally received.
If it even exists. There are perfectly viable
theories that explain the *perception* of
having "received a transmission" withou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
>
> I like the DL (did I spell it right?). He is a sweet gentle man,
> and appears to have good insights. And a sense of humor. However,
> if he has the power of pacification, why does he not use it on the
> Chinese leaders -- who upon paci
http://tinyurl.com/qwy7bj
The link above goes to a New York Times article that deals
with the placebo effect from a very mundane angle: the use
of various creams that are sold over the counter for various
bodily aches.
Edg
PSthe below wasn't formatted by hand by me -- sorry,
I forgot, but
If Vaj was within two feet of the Dalai Lama and had been balmisized, how is
that different if Vaj reported that he'd once been at the back of a lecture
hall filled with folks hearing the Dalai Lama's sermon and had been balmisized
by that? Are we saying that the closer to the fire the greater
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote:
> >
> > >>> But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion?
> > >>> Then, despite the direct experience, its
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote:
>
> > Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj
> > wants to make scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's
> > spiritual whammy powers (red pen spelling correction
> > noted) he could at lea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> >>> But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion?
> >>> Then, despite the direct experience, its still an illusion. I had a
> >>> filipino faith healer pull ugly bloody thi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would be more impressed wit
On May 10, 2009, at 3:06 AM, raunchydog wrote:
Look whose dumping from his high horse now. If Vaj wants to make
scientific claims for the Dalai Lama's spiritual whammy powers (red
pen spelling correction noted) he could at least back it up. I'm not
even asking for a study, just one little
On May 9, 2009, at 10:53 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>>> But just, what if, A doesn't cause B and its just an illusion?
>>> Then, despite the direct experience, its still an illusion. I had a
>>> filipino faith healer pull ugly bloody things from my body. I
>>> directly experienced it. Do you think it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> > >
> > > I would be more impressed with Vaj's "scientific" claims,
> > > if he could provide a first hand ac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> I am interested to hear from Vaj and not you unless you
> have met the Dalai Lama and have a truthful story to
> tell about an experience of pacification and what that
> means to you.
Well, I saw the Dalai Lama once in Paris, and
af
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> The interesting story of world-renowned psychologist, Paul Ekman, and
> the resolution of a lifetime of anger.
>
> "A related project had its roots in a surprisingly powerful private
> exchange Paul Ekman had with the Dalai Lama during a te
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> >
> > I would be more impressed with Vaj's "scientific" claims,
> > if he could provide a first hand account of his personal
> > pacification experiences with the Dali Lama.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
>
Dalai Lama -- a well-known "spiritual" "teacher".
>
>
> :-)
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> I would be more impressed with Vaj's "scientific" claims,
> if he could provide a first hand account of his personal
> pacification experiences with the Dali Lama.
I'd be more impressed with TMers if they
learned how to spell the Dal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. So direct experience can be faulty. We may interpret things we see
> > as something they are not. But this is A causes some effect on B sometime
> > in the futu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote:
>
> Exactly. So direct experience can be faulty. We may interpret things we see
> as something they are not. But this is A causes some effect on B sometime in
> the future. Its even less credible, in a scientific sense, that A caused B
> t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 9, 2009, at 10:22 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2009, at 7:54 PM, grate.swan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Its a nice story. But why does A necessarily cause B?
> >>
> >> It
On May 9, 2009, at 10:22 PM, grate.swan wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
On May 9, 2009, at 7:54 PM, grate.swan wrote:
Its a nice story. But why does A necessarily cause B?
It's called pacification, and it's something that's known to happen.
It's nothing surprisin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On May 9, 2009, at 7:54 PM, grate.swan wrote:
>
> > Its a nice story. But why does A necessarily cause B?
>
> It's called pacification, and it's something that's known to happen.
> It's nothing surprisingly new. It has some known characte
On May 9, 2009, at 7:54 PM, grate.swan wrote:
Its a nice story. But why does A necessarily cause B?
It's called pacification, and it's something that's known to happen.
It's nothing surprisingly new. It has some known characteristics and
signs. So that's how we know. Before there was scie
Its a nice story. But why does A necessarily cause B? Maybe cessation of anger
came with age and would have happened any way. Maybe some clutch of saturn or
mars was diminished for a while, maybe secretly did a yagya for him, maybe its
a placebo effect, maybe his diet changed and he began to get
I believe that physical contact with that kind of goodness can
> have a transformative effect.""
>
> from Destructive Emotions, How Can We Overcome Them? : A Scientific
> Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Narrated by Daniel Goleman.
>
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Beautiful, thanks so muc
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