Vaj was asking yesterday about things appearing new and I just
remembered a story that one of the ladies told. One night during
Satsang she had finally faced down and gone into the fear she had been
running from for the thirty+ years she had been in the movement. The
day following she awoke and h
On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Vaj wrote:
> You can download a nice version in PDF format at:
Oops. Should have typed:
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_00.html
Also:
http://www.brahmasutra.iitk.ac.in/
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On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:11 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> I don't have access to the Badarayana Sutra,
You can download a nice version in PDF format at:
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/brahma_00.html
> but do have a copy of the
> Shiva Sutras as edited by Swa
Hey Vaj
I don't have access to the Badarayana Sutra, but do have a copy of the
Shiva Sutras as edited by Swami Lakshmanjoo. How does that stack up as
a source of worthiness?
Thanks Tom T
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> He is saying that.
Yes I know.
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>
>
> On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:00 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
>
>> Everything I write is from my own experience sorry that didn't come
>> through.
>
> OK. No I thought you might be saying you were in Unity, but I wasn't
> certai
Hi Tom:
On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:30 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Tom T:
> When the Knowing is Known by the ultimate Knower there is no where
> left to go. This is the one and only Knower knowing its creation
> through its own Self. From the totality of creation to point value it
>
On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:00 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Everything I write is from my own experience sorry that didn't come
> through.
OK. No I thought you might be saying you were in Unity, but I wasn't
certain. OK.
> So far you have not
> answered my question is the stuff yo
Tom T comments interspersed
Tom T Snipped:
The understanding this experience is wholeness is a
> major criteria of the reality of Brahman. Inside this wholeness
> resides all creation.
Vaj writes:
I listened to her--I assume it's the same women--she described the
dawning of the state (Rick will
Tom T comments below
Tom T writes
> I can only respond with all of the various things I have posted on
> this subject. You are free to hold your POV and I am free to
> experience my understandings. My writings are from my experience.
That much I am sure and that is the only way I know how to resp
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:19 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Yes, I am having similar difficulty. Particularly when Tom describes
> it as Consciousness experiencing Consciousness.
Vaj writes:
Yeah. Mahat or Infinite Mind is the witnesser.
Tom T:
Patanjali chapter 4 Enlightenment (Alistair Shearer transla
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>
> Does this mean the witnessing sleep standard is bogus?
>
> Alex
>
>
> --We're all in unity because it's all one. It's whether one is
awake that awareness of unity is present. Because many in unity want
to
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>
> --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
>
my mind has had a still center, which I developed
through 20 years of various spiritual practices.
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> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sense percep
has had a still center, which I developed through 20 years of various
spiritual practices.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception
(was Re: soma &
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know because it was my acid trips both good and bad that woke me up
when I was a kid, to CC. The bad experiences were so horrific that my
mind stepped back and witnessed them.
Are you saying your mind, in background
Hi Tom:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 8:07 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> I can only respond with all of the various things I have posted on
> this subject. You are free to hold your POV and I am free to
> experience my understandings. My writings are from my experience. That
> much I am su
On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:30 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Tom T responds:
> Every description that you are using as an indicator of someone in
> Unity is something that happens in the relative.
Relative for you, not for them: All is one
> The understanding
> that I keep harping a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
> >
> > Well that's brilliant but it doesn't explain how it is that you
> know
> > what Maharishi is thinking.
> >
> > Rick Carlstrom
>
> Oh come on - only need to listen to him to find out:-
> 'Maharishi is o
On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:12 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Look at 52 through 55 and this is the only place it says that any
> sutra produces the Big E. All the other sutras are for practice and
> for the sidhi disclosed. The last sutra says Big E is the result of
> this sutra 52.
T
Does this mean the witnessing sleep standard is
bogus?Alex--We're all in unity because it's all one.
It's whether one is awake that awareness of unity is present. Because many in
unity want to sleep, so even in unity we must awaken to unity so yes one must be
a witness to the bardo of
maintain rolpa
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sense
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Hi Tom:On Mar 21, 2005, at 6:4
, 2005 6:12
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception
(was Re: soma & New Vedic
More Tom T comments on Stealth Sutra at the
bottom:> Tom T:> The true reason for the sutras was to wake you
up. The levitation>gig was to give the ego a reason to continue the
practice lon
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:19 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Yes, I am having similar difficulty. Particularly when Tom describes
> it as Consciousness experiencing Consciousness.
Yeah.
Mahat or Infinite Mind is the witnesser.
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On M
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr Mason
> >
> > If you really believe what you are writing - why do you do it? Why
> do
> > you keep coming bac
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
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> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "crukstrom"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogr
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "crukstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > When the kid observed that k
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>
> --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
> > >
> > > > And then,
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>
> Much more comments below:
> Tom T
> > I was infinite mind and I
> > was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
> >never going to understand what had happened in a milli
ieldLife] Sense perception
(was Re: soma & New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:>
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:> > >
Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in> >
Brahmin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure why everyone is all the sudden talking of UC/BC. I'm
just not getting that.
Yes, I am having similar difficulty. Particularly when Tom describes
it as Consciousness experiencing Consciousness.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindy
traynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Every description that you are using as an indicator of
> someone in Unity is something that happens in the relative.
> The understanding that I keep harping about is not in the
> relative.
Hi Tom:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 6:49 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> It appears we have a slight communication problem so I will try and
> make myself clearer. In my comment above when the lady commented on
> her experience of Infinite Mind, she never said she witnessed that she
> was
Vaj writes:
A "View"--your inner darshana, your POV shouldn't be thought of as a
meditational experience. It is your new horizon, your new world, your
cosmos and cosmology.
It sounds to me as if you are describing CC, not BC/UC. While I do
know that there is a state without need of verificatio
Tom T comments interspersed
Akasha 108 writes:
Mind / body / reflections that I know and love that allude to knowing
infinite mind, though discrete and the opposite of showy, do exhibit
some amazing capabilities at times that would be consistent with
"being infinite mind".
Can this lady, or pe
More Tom T comments interspersed:
Tom T writes:
> Wondering what qualifies in your book as a Master.
Vaj writes:
Someone in Unity, someone who has overthrown duality and someone with
profound experience of what that means. It would be not unusual to
see such a person have objects materialize (a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Much more comments below:
> Tom T
> > I was infinite mind and I
> > was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
> >never going to understand what had happened in a million
More Tom T comments on Stealth Sutra at the bottom:
> Tom T:
> The true reason for the sutras was to wake you up. The levitation
>gig was to give the ego a reason to continue the practice long enough
>to finish the wake up process, which was built into the practice.).
Vaj:
I understand what you
Much more comments below:
Tom T
> I was infinite mind and I
> was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
>never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That
>is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing
>has changed and yet everything
So many people on this list at one time thought MMY was awake and
now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all so hilarious, isn't
it?Rick Carlstrom---It is since I was spoutin it three years
ago. To a rather whacked tune. But I changed because I went to Kalachakra and
then got a j
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PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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When
the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
asking 'And
y
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr Mason
>
> If you really believe what you are writing - why do you do it? Why
do
> you keep coming back?
>
> You are human, right? You have the free will to choose to walk away
> and have a life..
>
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
> > asking 'And you are an authority?'
>
> To determine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "crukstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To determine MMY's
> state of awareness one needs to be able to see into his
> consciousness. Can you do that?
>
> Rick Carlstrom
In the flower, in the sky, in the orange, in the table, in the dog, in
the driveway,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
> asking 'And you are an authority?'
To determine whether the emperor was wearing clothes or not, the kid
only needed the sense of sight provide
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---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> of probably the only saint they ever came across. What a fraud. In
> this context it is legitime to question the motifs for Paul Masons
> publishings.
I am making no claims for Osho, though I find this criticism of MMY
interesting, that he felt he used giggling as a substitute for proper
a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
>
> > Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
> > Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> > consciousness. So many people on t
Dear Mr Mason
If you really believe what you are writing - why do you do it? Why do
you keep coming back?
You are human, right? You have the free will to choose to walk away
and have a life..
Why can't you let go?
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
> > Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> > consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought
MMY
> >
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Fresh comments below:
> Tom Traynor wrote:
> > [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
> > it is an understanding that needs no Master.
> > The understanding is complete in an of itself.
> > No Master needed as the k
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>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
> >
> > > And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue
> became completely
> > > unbridled. Which is why it is becoming m
When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there
asking 'And you are an authority?'
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On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:46 PM, crukstrom wrote:
> And who was it that verified Shankara's state of awareness? Was that
> you or is it something that has been handed down and is now
> just...accepted?
It's the traditional discourse on Brahmi Chetana and his refutation of
CC and GC as inferior. Th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
>
> > And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue became completely
> > unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and more evident
that he
> > doesn't really realise that m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake
to/in
> > Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> > consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought
MMY
> >
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:41 PM, crukstrom wrote:
> When do they become one?
In the Vedantic model, in Brahmi chetana.
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> On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
>
> > Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
> > Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> > consciousness. So many people on t
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote:
> And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue became completely
> unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and more evident that he
> doesn't really realise that much.
The only evidence I ever heard of MMY, which seemed to verify that he
was in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
wrote:
>
> > I was infinite mind and I
> > was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was
never
> > going to understand what had happened i
> Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
> Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY
> was awake and now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all
> so hilarious, isn't i
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
> Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
> Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
> consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY
> was awake and now they see him as a crook and a
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fresh comments below:
> Tom Traynor wrote:
> > [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
> > it is an understanding that needs no Master.
> > The understanding is complete in an of its
On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> I was infinite mind and I
> was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never
> going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the
> paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding
Fresh comments below:
Tom Traynor wrote:
> [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
> it is an understanding that needs no Master.
> The understanding is complete in an of itself.
> No Master needed as the knowledge in the
> understanding is complete in and of itself.
> Absolute self-ve
Tom Traynor wrote:
>
> [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience,
> it is an understanding that needs no Master.
> The understanding is complete in an of itself.
> No Master needed as the knowledge in the
> understanding is complete in and of itself.
> Absolute self-verification which is
Hi Tom:
On Mar 19, 2005, at 9:47 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Vaj responds
> As I pointed out here before: if you look at the authentic levitation
> practices which have lineages still in place, you can get an idea of
> what's missing. It's quite a lot. True levitation practice
Tom T comments intersperesed with Vaj questions below:
Tom T Writes:It is my experience and I know many
other long term practitioners of the Sidhis, as taught by MMY, that
Brahmin is and has been attained. The Sidhi practice had built into it
the means and the end.
Vaj responds
As I pointed out
On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:25 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> It is my experience and I know many
> other long term practitioners of the Sidhis, as taught by MMY, that
> Brahmin is and has been attained. The Sidhi practice had built into it
> the means and the end.
As I pointed out he
On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:07 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
Frankly, I personally no matter how fallaciously believe that opening the eyes is the quickest path.
I think this is correct but at the same time, it ain't for everyone. Kashmir Shaivism would agree as would the non-dual tantras like Sri Vidya, Kalac
On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:07 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
esus, people are so particular nowadays, most would have been happy with TC ten years back, now its BC or Rainbow body or bust. My how far we've come
I seriously doubt there are TM-ers in "BC". Call it the Robin Carlsen effect: you can say you ar
essage -
From:
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:25
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception
(was Re: soma & New Vedic
Tom T writes:> Well actually the Sidhi practice
might lead to a minute or
Tom T writes:
> Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
> Unity and then the entire weight of the practice and many years of
> experience bounces one into Brahmin.
Vaj writes:
I can't see UC as occurring without being able to cultivate practice
with eyes and all senses
On Mar 14, 2005, at 8:02 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
> Unity and then the entire weight of the practice and many years of
> experience bounces one into Brahmin.
I can't see UC as occurring without being able to
Any insights on sense perception from those who've read
somethign or have had an experience?Thanks.- Patrick
Gillam---the senses can see their own structure and within that
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They woke me up.
-Peter
--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really? I must have been doing the wrong
> sutras--most of the time they
> just put me to sleep. I have a friend who goes to
> the the dome mainly
> because she says it's still a great place to
> sleep--she stays awake
>
Really? I must have been doing the wrong sutras--most of the time they just put me to sleep. I have a friend who goes to the the dome mainly because she says it's still a great place to sleep--she stays awake half the night so she can crash there. :)
Sal
On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Peter Sut
Vaj writes: re Sidhi practice
I still use it, you can integrate it, I don't feel any need to reject
it as a practice. But it cannot lead to UC. Well maybe Unity Andy...;-)
Tom T:
Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
Unity and then the entire weight of the practice an
On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> The TM-siddhi program is a powerful, powerful
> technique that fosters awareness of Self through the
> buddhi/intellect. It "pulls" Self into awareness in
> the pauses between sutras. The mind begins to
> spontaneously discriminate between the
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM,
> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
>
> > We were given the tools in our Sidhi
> > practice. The objective was not to really learn
> how to fly but to be
> > able to fully function once we woke up. Cool!
> Another ma
On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> We were given the tools in our Sidhi
> practice. The objective was not to really learn how to fly but to be
> able to fully function once we woke up. Cool! Another master stroke
> by a true Master. If you knew the real rea
> > Peter Sutphen wrote:
I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter
I've a
Peter Sutphen writes:
Interesting. The subject-object dynamics of the senses
don't seem to remain the same as you move from gross
to subtle. Do the senses "project" the objects of
their experience? You can transcend with your eyes
open thinking about this stuff!
-Peter
Tom T:
The interesting ini
On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> Do the senses "project" the objects of
> their experience? You can transcend with your eyes
> open thinking about this stuff!
Yes and no. They are non-dual to begin with. Nonetheless there are
practices, which again work at dissolving dualit
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
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> > Any insights on sense perception from those who've
> > read somethign or have had an experience?
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> There are a series of practices in
> Dzogchen/Mahasandi and in the
> anuttara tantras which
--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Peter Sutphen wrote:
> > I've also experienced soma
> > flowing/spraying into the environment through the
> > senses. Almost like the sense was working in
> reverse.
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> Instead of consciousness "flowing out," as it were,
> to
> the objects
On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
> Any insights on sense perception from those who've
> read somethign or have had an experience?
There are a series of practices in Dzogchen/Mahasandi and in the
anuttara tantras which work on dismantling the idea that the senses
project out
Peter Sutphen wrote:
> I've also experienced soma
> flowing/spraying into the environment through the
> senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
Instead of consciousness "flowing out," as it were, to
the objects of the senses, it was soma flowing out?
Soma as reified consciousnes
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