[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-07 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 7, 2007, at 5:15 PM, David J. Littleboy wrote: The 5D doesn't deliver a dynamic range advantage (at low ISOs), just a two stop sensitivity advantage across comparable ISOs. Sure. I thought I'd already made that stipulation clear. Yes, a bigger sensor will get you more high-ISO

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-07 Thread David J. Littleboy
From: R. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] So IQ is vital to you unless it isn't. Heh...I guess we could go on for a couple of days with me saying that 645 isn't a serious format and you can choose to use an inferior format if it suits your needs, but that doesn't make it worth using. ;-) Exactly!

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-06 Thread Arthur Entlich
Hi James, Thanks for the formula. I guess we need to go back to glass plates ;-) Art James L. Sims wrote: Art, There was a depth of focus formula in the American Cinematographer Handbook that was gospel until proven wrong. The depth of focus, given a specific blur circle size, is a

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-06 Thread Berry Ives
Just a detail, Rob, but the Oly E-1 has a weather-sealed magnesium body. It's quite solid. I don't know if any of their other models have the magnesium body, or if that feature is reserved for their pro line. Berry On 7/5/07 8:52 PM, R.Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2007, at

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-06 Thread R. Jackson
Yeah, I had an E-1. I actually gave it to a friend of mine last year and he's enjoying it. They've just taken so long replacing it that there's really no choice in a high-end E model right now, though the leaked document about the E-1 replacement looks promising. -Rob On Jul 6, 2007, at 7:00 AM,

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-06 Thread James L. Sims
Art, Well, we've sort of done that with digital cameras. They have also put my old Pentax cameras out of service, and after all the work I did fabricating a pressure plate that kept the film reasonably flat. At my age, I'm also an advocate of image stabilization - I'm taking sharp pictures,

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Arthur Entlich
I don't disagree with much that you stated. A good deal of the extra file size in a scanned silver halide image is just grain artifacts, and offers no image information. However, if the same processing that is done to digital images in camera were done to the film image, a lot of the grain

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
major disagreement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:37 PM, [EMAIL

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
concerning grain and grain structure in an image. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David J. Littleboy Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:28 PM, Arthur Entlich wrote: However, if the same processing that is done to digital images in camera were done to the film image, a lot of the grain could be suppressed. Yeah, but would you want to suppress the grain? I did a test for a video camera manufacturer last

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread gary
One last point here. Film will probably never be as flat as a piece of silicon. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate)

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread gary
But a pixel is around 6um on a side, so grain is finer than a pixel. R. Jackson wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:28 PM, Arthur Entlich wrote: snip Look here: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/technical/Filmbasics/filmbasics.html See the 400x magnification? If that level of capture detail existed

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Tony Sleep
On 05/07/2007 David J. Littleboy wrote: I don't buy it. AIUI the colour fringing is a combination of chromatic aberration in the lens and Bayer colour interpolation. Vignetting is due to the microlenses presenting a smaller effective aperture to off-axis rays. You get both together, but

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Laurie wrote: While Digital SLRs might know or identify the lens focal length, aperture setting, focus, etc., It cannot identify the glass that is used in any given lens or the optical properties specific to that particular lens. Since most DSLRs allow for

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Tony Sleep
On 05/07/2007 gary wrote: Seems to me the camera should be able to compensate for the vignetting. It knows the lens and the sensor, so it should know the light falloff. There are software strategies for dealing with both vignetting and chromatic aberratuon artifacts, also barrel/pincushion

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of R. Jackson Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Laurie wrote: While Digital SLRs might know or identify the lens focal length, aperture setting, focus, etc

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread David J. Littleboy
From: Berry Ives [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your math is good; I got 26.2 degrees off vertical. But I don't know the significance of that angle with respect to the sensor tunnels. It sounds like a rather large angle to me. You might do the math for, say, the Contax G-series 21mm Biogong. (The rear

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Arthur Entlich
There seems to be two main issues with depth of focus with film. One, when the image is captured within the camera, and two, when it is then reproduced, either as a print, or made into a digital file. With 35mm frames, in my experience, the second one is not that significant as long as the

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Berry Ives
On 7/5/07 5:44 PM, David J. Littleboy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 4/3 sensor is 1/4 the area of the FF sensors, and not really a serious format. If one is concerned with image quality. I think that for you to say this is equivalent, in the film world, of saying that 35mm cameras are not

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Tony Sleep
On 06/07/2007 Arthur Entlich wrote: Does anyone know if there is a chart which shows depth of focus at the film plan versus aperture of lens used? No, but the plane of focus itself is not flat, it's usually a section of a sphere that is only part corrected to flatness. This becomes an issue

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread gary
I thought the lens design has elements to compensate for field flattening. In any event, the predictably flat silicon focal plane has to be better than the lottery of film. Tony Sleep wrote: On 06/07/2007 Arthur Entlich wrote: Does anyone know if there is a chart which shows depth of focus at

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography I thought the lens design has elements to compensate for field flattening. In any event, the predictably flat silicon focal plane has to be better than the lottery of film. Tony Sleep wrote

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread Berry Ives
That's fine. But there are thousands of professional and serious amateur photographers out there that do not have that restriction. I shot 4x5 for a while, and there is no denying the beauty of large format for certain types of images. I discovered a small spider web once on a barb of a wire

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread R.Jackson
On Jul 5, 2007, at 4:44 PM, David J. Littleboy wrote: The 4/3 sensor is 1/4 the area of the FF sensors, and not really a serious format. If one is concerned with image quality. Technically, there's merit to what you're saying. Given a the current 10 megapixel 4/3 sensor with a 4.7 micron

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-05 Thread James L. Sims
Art, There was a depth of focus formula in the American Cinematographer Handbook that was gospel until proven wrong. The depth of focus, given a specific blur circle size, is a trig function of the cone angle Tan ½Angle = .5 x f# ÷ Lens Focal Length. Without special pressure plates or

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 1, 2007, at 6:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes because you are mixing apples and oranges in your comparison. The D200 and D2X produce a 35mm equivalent first generation capture; it does not need to be converted into a digital file after the capture by a second external process.

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Sam McCandless
On Jul 3, 2007, at 11:47 PM, R. Jackson wrote: On Jul 1, 2007, at 6:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ... At 4800 dpi a 35mm scan is 6255x4079. That's over 25 megapixels. I can't really tell the difference between a 4800 dpi scan and a 6400 dpi scan, so I never go higher than 4800

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Sam McCandless
Thanks, Rob. I might follow along, partly because I also have a lot of prints - old family photos mostly - to scan. -- Sam On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:44 AM, R. Jackson wrote: I'm using an Epson V700. It's been a pretty nice machine so far. I've scanned about 500 negatives and slides over the past

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the DSLRs mentioned may be less than 25 megapixels but they shoot in Camera RAW formats, which can be adjusted in a number of ways if needed before converting the Camera Raw format to an interpreted value standard image format,

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Michael Kersenbrock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, some artifacts produced in the scanning process by prosummer scanners operated by layoperators may not be readily remedied or correctable at all in some cases. And I'm sure THEY don't want to do any corrections, even if possible. Mike K.

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the DSLRs

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Kersenbrock Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, some artifacts produced in the scanning process

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Arthur Entlich
I sent this message out on July 2nd, but I don't think it got posted, at least I never received a copy... so I'm trying again. If it did get posted, I apologize for the redundancy. Art Original Message Subject:Re: [filmscanners] film and scanning vs digital photography

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Arthur Entlich
I'll say again something I have stated many times in the past. Humans are analogue, not digital. We work on a cellular level and most of our cells aren't lined up in perfect grids, far from it. We, both evolutionarily and through learning, ignore random patterns in our vision (and other

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread Arthur Entlich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it simply, when you capture an image with a DSLR camera, you are in effect directly scanning the image transmitted by your lens into digital electronic form; you do not need to go through a second process in order to convert the analog capture on film into an

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not used VueScan in years and am unfamiliar with its current raw output. When I used it the raw scan was 16 bit non-linear scan without any software processing applied at all output as a TIFF file. Correct. You can also save the

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread gary
I don't have a DSLR, but wouldn't a raw camera image need to be, shall we say, dematrixed. The output of a film scanner is RGB at every pixel location, where the DSLR is one color per pixel, with additional post processing required to get RGB at every location. R. Jackson wrote: On Jul 4, 2007,

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 4, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Arthur Entlich wrote: At some point, the digital image components will be beyond any human's ability to perceive as discrete components, (other than with massive enlargement) and then the issue will be moot, and for some it is so close to that now, that is already

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dealing with when processing a Camera RAW file in a Camera RAW application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it simply, when you capture an image with a DSLR camera, you

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread R. Jackson
On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most of the automatic processing that is done by the scanning software has to do with things that one can already do in Photoshop such as levels and curves settings, saturation settings, brightness and contrast settings, etc. and not

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread David J. Littleboy
From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Film grain itself is not actual information. it is the random structure used to create the image on it's smallest level. Grain occurs in three random manners. Firstly, each color layer is laid down with the silver halide grains in a completely chaotic

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography I don't have a DSLR, but wouldn't a raw camera image need to be, shall we say, dematrixed

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread gary
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Berry Ives Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography Laurie, What does it mean that: The D200 and D2X produce a 35mm

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-04 Thread David J. Littleboy
From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect the generations effect is why it takes less resolution in a DSLR to be equivalent to film. That is, the EOS-1Ds Mark II, at 16Mpixels, is considered to be as good as scanned film, which generally exceeds 30MPixels. I saw a website that compared drum to a

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-03 Thread Berry Ives
Laurie, What does it mean that: The D200 and D2X produce a 35mm equivalent first generation capture The film sensor of the D200 is substantially smaller than a 35mm film image, so I guess that is not what it means. So what is the basis for saying this? This whole thing about judging

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The DSLR digital camera's mentioned are all the higher end models of their respective manufacturers as well as among the more current models in the pipeline. Their being selected probably has as much to do with the degree of noise and distortion of their sensors as the number of megapixels that

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-07-01 Thread gary
I was the one that brought up the topic, based on a speech I attended by Jim Sugar. He uses http://marketplace.digitalrailroad.net/Default.aspx rather than Getty, but believes you should meet the Getty standards. As I also mentioned, the EOS-1ds Mark II seems to be THE standard. Jim also has a

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-17 Thread Henk de Jong
Hi Tony, They misinformed you! I have one here and the front does not rotate on the EF 50mm f1.4 USM, it simply extends and retracts a little. You are sure? That is good news! With kind regards, Henk de Jong -- http://www.hsdejong.nl/ Nepal and Myanmar (Burma) - Photo Galleries Tony Sleep

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-17 Thread Sam McCandless
On Jun 17, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Henk de Jong wrote: Hi Tony, They misinformed you! I have one here and the front does not rotate on the EF 50mm f1.4 USM, it simply extends and retracts a little. You are sure? That is good news! With kind regards, Henk de Jong -- http://www.hsdejong.nl/

[filmscanners] Re: photos of Nepal and Myanmar

2007-06-17 Thread Jeffrey Pawlan
On Jun 17, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Henk de Jong wrote: http://www.hsdejong.nl/ Nepal and Myanmar (Burma) - Photo Galleries Dear Henk, Your photos are beautiful. I love South Asia and have been to India and Pakistan several times but last time was 25 years ago. Too much has changed. I

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-17 Thread Hanna, Mark (x9085)
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henk de Jong Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 8:04 AM To: Hanna, Mark (x9085) Subject: [filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography Hi Tony, They misinformed you! I have one here and the front does not rotate on the EF 50mm f1.4 USM, it simply extends

[filmscanners] Re: Kodak's alternative to Bayer sensor pattern

2007-06-14 Thread Julian Vrieslander
On 6/14/07 7:57 AM, Bob Geoghegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know people out there have will opinions /or informed speculation about this: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07061401kodakhighsens.asp The short version is that by replacing 1/2 of the sensor elements of a bayer pattern with

[filmscanners] RE: Kodak's alternative to Bayer sensor pattern

2007-06-14 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Julian Vrieslander Not exactly a new idea. The retina in human eyes uses a somewhat similar scheme. Cone cells are selectively tuned to red, green, and blue light. The brain integrates the outputs of cones to produce our sensations of color. Rod cells are optimized for low light

[filmscanners] Re: Kodak's alternative to Bayer sensor pattern

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Kersenbrock
Bob Geoghegan wrote: I know people out there have will opinions /or informed speculation about this: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07061401kodakhighsens.asp The short version is that by replacing 1/2 of the sensor elements of a bayer pattern with panchromatic elements, Kodak claims a

[filmscanners] Re: unsubscribe filmscanners

2007-06-13 Thread Paul Roberts
Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-12 Thread Henk de Jong
Thanks Tony, for the link. US$ 175 (without shipping costs) for an adapter ring is not cheep. English is not my native language, so some explanations on the website are difficult to understand. Am I right that when you apply the adapter ring you focus by hand with maximum aperture and that the

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-11 Thread Charles Knox
Message - From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista Can you use Vuescan, which seems to have gotten around the SCSI api and OS issue? Art

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista You're right Charles my Adaptec card hasn't got vista support, thanks for the link

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-11 Thread Charles Knox
as sell some of the cables and adapters. For a SCSI adapter card, you can contact Adaptec. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan4000

2007-06-10 Thread Arthur Entlich
My memory isn't want it used to be (whose is), but I do recall there was some problem with some SS4000 with a cable harness which wasn't allowing for proper movement and could resolve in a wire or plug becoming loose. I seem to recall it relating to the light source or sensor (although that might

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-10 Thread Arthur Entlich
Can you use Vuescan, which seems to have gotten around the SCSI api and OS issue? Art David wrote: I'm pleased to see the list has come to life again. I wonder if anyone has been able to get a Nikon LS30 working with NK scan and Vista. There are no drivers for the SCSI card. Has any one

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-10 Thread Arthur Entlich
I am going to raise a different issue regarding the film versus digital issue for consideration. It has little to do with image quality, but instead environmental quality. For years Kodak and others told us that photographic materials manufacturing processes, photo chemicals and lab film and

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-10 Thread Tony Sleep
On 10/06/2007 Arthur Entlich wrote: However, the evolution in digital is rapidly reaching the point where the current technology is more than adequate for most people until that camera fails to work. I read this week that the leading 8 mfrs of digital cameras expect to sell 89m cameras during

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-10 Thread Arthur Entlich
I don't disagree that most compacts are designed to last 2-3 years. Then again, toward the end of the compact film camera market, they also were designed with the same lifespan. Not only has the cost of production of these cameras become cheap but so has the environmental impact of the

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-10 Thread David
PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista Can you use Vuescan, which seems to have gotten around the SCSI api and OS issue? Art Unsubscribe by mail

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
until I've finished. David. - Original Message - From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista Can you use Vuescan, which seems to have gotten around the SCSI api and OS issue? Art

[filmscanners] RE: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista I use a Minolta Dimage 5400 II running under X64 (precursor to Vista). It is USB

[filmscanners] Re: Coolscan V - Dirty? and cleaning?

2007-06-10 Thread David
I stripped mine down recently following http://www.vad1.com/photo/dirty-scanner/ls2000-cleaning/ the mirrors and lenses were thick with dust. David - Original Message - From: Scott McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:21 PM Subject:

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-10 Thread David
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Nikon LS30 Vista As a note, at this point in time, there are little by way of drivers for scanners (or printers, for that matter) on the market for Vista X64 OSs - or for that matter XP X64 OSs

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
remove and replace the SCSI terminator block. If the scanner is chained with other SCSI devices, remake the connections at all of them. Trying a different terminator will also be worthwhile. Tony- Thanks for your advice. I have some questions about the SCSI terminator block. My SS4000 has two

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-10 Thread Tony Sleep
On 10/06/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next to this second port is a switch marked SCSI termination on/off. Am I correct in my assumption that so long as this switch is turned on, the scanner is internally terminated and no terminator block is needed? Yes, sorry, I had forgotten about that.

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread
R. Jackson wrote: It depends, really. Like, I was scanning some old Ektachrome 400 today. The images were coming out at at 4374 x 6400 pixels. That's about 28 megapixels and the scanner still wasn't clearly capturing the grain structure. Looking at it closely you can see what looks like

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 08/06/2007 George Harrison wrote: Thanks for the link below but I am damned if I can see any images at all ! George Harrison If you need convincing, download and print at 16x12 some of the sample full res images at http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_digpro.html Select the camera

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Interesting and quite contrary to my own experience and others. 6 mp DSLR's could not hold a candle to a properly scanned piece of 35mm film in terms of image quality, detail, resolution and enlarge-ability. :-) I said it was contentious. In

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 James L. Sims wrote: I think that digital imaging definitely has a place in this list, Tony. I have confidence in and great respect for the core group of this list. Digital imaging, film scanning and digicams are still evolving. Just some of the issues are RAW file converters,

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couldn't figure out how to pop the top off to look for dust because there were no screws The rectangular slots in the base provide access to plastic clips which retain the cover - by the look of it, I haven't tried. They're a fairly standard form of

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 R. Jackson wrote: to fully resolve the grain structure of film takes WAY more resolution than you need to replace it as a capture medium. Yup. At one time I had 4,000 8,000 and 12,000ppi scans of the same bit of film. 8,000 was clearly better than 4,000 (not hugely, but clearly),

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread
Contentious is an understatement! I don't think we are is disagreement, and as I suggested it is all about what precisely you are talking about. At the 6mp level, I think people were willing to sacrifice image quality for convenience and speed. You've outlined some of that below. And it's

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Henk de Jong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How I wish they could just fit the sensor chip from the Canon 5D (or even the 1Ds MkII) into the Contax N Digital -- now that would produce be one h*ll of a camera. I fully agree and I wish for a long time that Contax makes DSLRs also in the semi-prof segment. I still

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 Henk de Jong wrote: The Canon 5D looks like an interesting camera body and even more now I have read that I could (re)use my Contax, Yashica and Tokina lenses. A friend fitted Leica R lenses to his 1DS-2. http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleReos.htm -- Regards Tony Sleep

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Joel Wilcox
On 6/8/07, James L. Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you, Tony, Digital cameras, for all practical purposes, has surpassed the quality of 35mm format film and I believe that happened with the arrival of the six megapixel camera, a few years ago, significant cropping, not withstanding

[filmscanners] Re: Nikon LS30 Vista

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 David wrote: I wonder if anyone has been able to get a Nikon LS30 working with NK scan and Vista. There are no drivers for the SCSI card. Has any one found a workaround ? You won't find any support by Nikon, but I believe Vuescan will happily do it. Trial version from

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-09 Thread Tony Sleep
On 09/06/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This conflicts with claims that it is beneficial to scan at 4000 dpi or higher resolutions. Am I likely seeing the limitations of the optics of my scanner rather than of the information capacity of the film? Anybody know how well the optics of the

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread
Yes, Astia 100F is very good. In fact, a lot of the current 100 speed color slide films are very good and competitive. Velvia 100F is also very good and very fine grained. I use it in 120 size and scanned at 4000dpi on the Nikon 8000, grain is almost invisible. Kodak, meanwhile, has not been

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread
Actually I don't think your recollection is entirely accurate. If it was the 1Ds (Mk1), then it is only an 11mp camera. And when you say as good as, you really do need to explain what exactly you mean. The 11mp 1Ds (Mk1) is overall, probably a touch better than a piece of 100 ISO color 35mm

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16mp 1Ds MkII is the one I recall the camera LL said matched film. I haven't bought into the 22mPixel rumor. I was told by someone who attended the photo show in Vegas that it was announced. Beyond that, I have no knowledge of the camera. I'd be plenty happy with the Mk II. I attended a show

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread Bob Geoghegan
Going back to Paul's original post... and writing as an SS4000 D200 owner who just unloaded his most modern film gear, I'd say macro landscape are good territory for the D200. If you prefer the wide range lower contrast of negative film then there's some adapting. I'd put RAW files about

[filmscanners] RE: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread George Harrison
Thanks for the link below but I am damned if I can see any images at all ! George Harrison If you need convincing, download and print at 16x12 some of the sample full res images at http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_digpro.html -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread James L. Sims
Tony, I, for one am delighted to see the response to this question. While this list was created for those with advanced interest in film scanning, a group has assembled within it that is keenly interested in photo imaging - be it a scanned image or a digital image. Once scanned the image is

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread
Click on the Camera name to get to the review of that camera. In the review, there is a page with full resolution sample images. George Harrison wrote: Thanks for the link below but I am damned if I can see any images at all ! George Harrison If you need convincing, download and print at

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread
Hmmm. Interesting and quite contrary to my own experience and others. 6 mp DSLR's could not hold a candle to a properly scanned piece of 35mm film in terms of image quality, detail, resolution and enlarge-ability. Scanned 35mm film had unambiguously better image quality. Convenience and speed

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I tried cleaning my Polaroid SprintScan 4000 with the included brush, but couldn't figure out how to pop the top off to look for dust because there were no screws. I also re-installed the driver. It booted 3 times in a row, but only if turned on during rather than before booting the computer. On

[filmscanners] Re: film and scanning vs digital photography

2007-06-08 Thread R. Jackson
On Jun 8, 2007, at 8:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Interesting and quite contrary to my own experience and others. It depends, really. Like, I was scanning some old Ektachrome 400 today. The images were coming out at at 4374 x 6400 pixels. That's about 28 megapixels

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-07 Thread Tony Sleep
On 07/06/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been having a problem with my Polaroid SprintScan 4000 scanner. Polaroid technical support hasn't been very helpful, so I'm wondering if someone out there might have experienced this problem and know something about the cause/solution. When I

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan4000

2007-06-07 Thread gary
I'm not familiar with that scanner. However, it may pay to install the latest ASPI for your OS (assuming you have a PC). Check both adaptec and Microsoft websites, and use the latest software. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been having a problem with my Polaroid SprintScan 4000 scanner. snip

[filmscanners] Re: Initialization problem with Polaroid SprintScan 4000

2007-06-07 Thread Joel Wilcox
On 6/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been having a problem with my Polaroid SprintScan 4000 scanner. Polaroid technical support hasn't been very helpful, so I'm wondering if someone out there might have experienced this problem and know something about the

[filmscanners] Re: Strange light spill-over in Nikon LS-8000 scan

2007-05-28 Thread Arthur Entlich
Now that I have a larger crop to get a better look at the problem, (sorry, I'm not downloading the 100+ meg versions) rather than working from a word description, I tend to agree with Tony. It looks like it may be a dirty optical path. Film scanners are apt to pick up residue from cigarette

[filmscanners] Re: Strange light spill-over in Nikon LS-8000 scan

2007-05-27 Thread gary
Could you crop a piece of the image where you see the problem? That is, a full resolution scan, but a small piece where the problem occurs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on the following issue: I just did a scan of a Fuji Astia 6x7 slide It is about

[filmscanners] Re: Strange light spill-over in Nikon LS-8000scan

2007-05-27 Thread
Sure. Here is a 100% crop from the upper left hand corner of the window. I adjusted the levels to make the problem more apparent boncratious.info/CherryBlossomDining-crop.jpg And for adventurous few who want to see more, here is a much larger crop preserved in the tiff format and unadjusted,

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