Re: [Finale] Rest in 6/2

2004-02-09 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 09.02.2004 1:23 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote Well, I don't know the piece in question, but you couldn't normally notate a 6/8 piece in 3/8 either. The two are fundamentally different. Yes, but the question is one of whether or not the music can be conveyed in the modern meter in a fashion

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread David H. Bailey
Finale has out and out lied, if you think that advertising a feature that doesn't work very well constitutes a lie (I do.) Scanning, for instance -- Yes, it is possible to scan a perfectly printed version of Mary Had a Little Lamb (as melody only) into Finale, using its built-in scanning

[Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
Okay, In 4/4, one normally shows beat 3 of a measure when it contains eighth note values or smaller. However, I've run into a situation where my source has the following rhythm: quarter rest - eighth rest - a triplet consisting of: two eighth notes followed an eighth rest - eighth rest -

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
I think you can simply write the second eighth of the eighth note triplet as a sixteenth tied to another sixteenth, and the second sixteenth will fall on beat 3. Looks weird, but less weird than what you were suggesting. Liudas - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
You could always try a fine dotted barline with a small (3) in parenthesis above it just to show that it is written as intended. Liudas - Original Message - From: David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09,

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:06 AM 2/9/04 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: However, I've run into a situation where my source has the following rhythm: quarter rest - eighth rest - a triplet consisting of: two eighth notes followed an eighth rest - eighth rest - quarter rest What say you all? This doesn't strike me as

[Finale] Another tuplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
What is the standard way to notate a sixteenth quintuplet when only the final note is played? What do you put under the bracket: A quarter rest followed by the sixteenth note? Two eighth rests followed by the sixteenth note? Four sixteenth rests followed by the sixteenth note? - Darcy -

[Finale] Re: NOVEMBER and OSX

2004-02-09 Thread story
I sent a request in German to Klemm Musik and got a quick and positive reply on the NOVEMBER font: --- (a rouch translation:) Good day, Mr Story. The font November will soon, probably in February, also be available for OS X. The updater is already in house; we shall offer

Re: [Finale] Rest in 6/2

2004-02-09 Thread Andrew Stiller
David W. Fenton écrit: Then why is 3/2 completely unacceptable? Well, it would involve cutting all the measures in two, and I don't really see the point in it. The presence of a section in 6/4 isn't the only reason against changing the 6/2 to 6/4. We've discussed this here already, and I (and

RE: [Finale] Re: November Font

2004-02-09 Thread Fisher, Allen
He's also the author of FinaleScript and the Text Search and Replace plug-ins... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Williams, Jim Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 3:05 PM To: Rob Deemer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Finale] Re: November

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 09.02.2004 13:28 Uhr, David H. Bailey wrote Scanning, for instance -- Yes, it is possible to scan a perfectly printed version of Mary Had a Little Lamb (as melody only) into Finale, using its built-in scanning capability. However for any serious scanning of, say, a complex piano score for

Re: [Finale] Another tuplet question

2004-02-09 Thread David H. Bailey
I would put 4 16th-rests so the rhythm of the quintuplet is readily apparent. David H. Bailey Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the standard way to notate a sixteenth quintuplet when only the final note is played? What do you put under the bracket: A quarter rest followed by the sixteenth

Re: [Finale] Another tuplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:35 AM 2/9/04 -0500, David H. Bailey wrote: I would put 4 16th-rests so the rhythm of the quintuplet is readily apparent. There's my opinion as well. That's only for rests, though -- note groupings are an entirely different matter, and sometimes tough to decode, whether composer, engraver,

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread David H. Bailey
It may be better, but not much better -- I just tried to scan a 24-staff, finale-printed score and smartscore won't accept it. Reading the documentation for Finale, it states right from the start, don't scan anything with more than 16-staves in it. So anybody who bought the program hoping to

Re: [Finale] Rest in 6/2

2004-02-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Feb 2004 at 10:16, Andrew Stiller wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Then why is 3/2 completely unacceptable? Well, it would involve cutting all the measures in two, and I don't really see the point in it. The presence of a section in 6/4 isn't the only reason against changing the 6/2 to

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
David wrote: I do notice nobody has jumped in to defend Micnotator at all. :) I would have, except that I make it a matter of personal policy never to defend something I don't know how to pronounce. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
Lies is a strong word, and here, unjustified. But I would have agreed with you on the scanning until last week. A friend of mine (a viola player and user of WinFin2003) astounded me, just a few days ago, by telling me that he has been having great success scanning. After some trial and error, he

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
I do notice nobody has jumped in to defend Micnotator at all. :) David H. Bailey You're right there. I know I am more certain of the keyboard than my voice, so why shouldn't I assume Finale would be? (In other words, I've never tried it.) RH

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Phil Daley
At 2/9/2004 12:17 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Lies is a strong word, and here, unjustified. But I would have agreed with you on the scanning until last week. A friend of mine (a viola player and user of WinFin2003) astounded me, just a few days ago, by telling me that he has been having great

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Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
I believe he said 97%, but I don't recall the percentage with 100 % accuracy, or something like that. All I know is my violist friend, who has been using Finale for years, is now scanning rather than any of his other note entry choices, when it comes to entering a clean printed work. Enough said.

Re: [Finale] Chord Entry

2004-02-09 Thread Tim Thompson
Sure--Chord Tool, Chord Menu, choose 1-staff or 2-staff analysis. If your score is one part per staff, then you will have to implode first. I don't know how accurate it would be--I'm sure it depends on the degree of correlation between the harmonies in the piece and the contents of your

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread M. Perticone
hello, i'd prefer de original notation, that is a triplet starting at the second half oh the second beat. i used that kind of rhythms a lot, and in my experience the mentioned solution was the best one. i feel this applies to moderate to fast tempi. if it's to slow, say m.m.40, probably your

Re: [Finale] Another tuplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Raymond Horton
I have seen a quarter rest, followed by a sixteenth, with a bracket over both, on occasion. As long as the bracket is obvious, it is clear enough. Raymond Horton Louisville Orchestra - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

[Finale] Converting Score files

2004-02-09 Thread Matthew Naughtin
This has probably been discussed before, but I'll ask anyway: a composer I work with has some old files of a piece that was engraved using Score. Is there any way for me to translate these over into Finale? Matt Naughtin ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Another tuplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2004, at 6:12 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the standard way to notate a sixteenth quintuplet when only the final note is played? What do you put under the bracket: A quarter rest followed by the sixteenth note? Two eighth rests followed by the sixteenth note? Four sixteenth

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:06 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: In 4/4, one normally shows beat 3 of a measure when it contains eighth note values or smaller. However, I've run into a situation where my source has the following rhythm: [...] In other words, an eighth-note triplet starting on the and of

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:28 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: There's actually FOUR kinds of lies, to paraphrase Mark Twain (I think he originated it): 1) Lies, 2) Damn Lies, 3) Statistics and 4) Marketing. The line appears in Twain's autobiography, but he himself attributes it to Benjamin Disraeli. More

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 09 Feb 2004, at 03:55 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:06 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: In 4/4, one normally shows beat 3 of a measure when it contains eighth note values or smaller. However, I've run into a situation where my source has the following rhythm: [...] In other

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius

2004-02-09 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:11 AM -0500 2/09/04, Darcy James Argue wrote: There's still all of Sibelius's blatant claims along the lines of Finale can't do this, or Sibelius is the *only* music notation program that does that. There are a couple of unique features that caught my eye when I saw the Sibelius 2 demo

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 8:06 AM -0500 2/09/04, Darcy James Argue wrote: Okay, In 4/4, one normally shows beat 3 of a measure when it contains eighth note values or smaller. However, I've run into a situation where my source has the following rhythm: quarter rest - eighth rest - a triplet consisting of: two eighth

Re: [Finale] Triplet question

2004-02-09 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 09 Feb 2004, at 06:59 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: There are some good reasons I can think of for his notation, for example, if another instrument somewhere IS covering that last eighth note triplet, Nope. I guess you know better than I do, but I would still go with the triplet normally

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Don Hart
I would think that proofing by playback, at least in most cases, would make 95% accuracy work pretty well, as opposed to reentering everything. Even if both methods were a wash timewise, scanning would break the routine, and that can sometimes be its own blessing. Don Hart on 2/9/04 4:46 PM,

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 09:43 PM 2/9/2004, Don Hart wrote: I would think that proofing by playback, at least in most cases, would make 95% accuracy work pretty well, as opposed to reentering everything. Even if both methods were a wash timewise, scanning would break the routine, and that can sometimes be its own

Re: [Finale] comparing finale/sibelius - subset: Finale lies?

2004-02-09 Thread Don Hart
I've never scanned any music to work with in Finale, so I guess I was envisioning more rhythm and pitch errors than the type that you mention. I realize that if elements are showing up in the wrong tool (ties misinterpreted as slurs and tempo markings misinterpreted as song verse) different