ld include the Americas and other places where they went
with their concepts and tools.
Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark D. Lew)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:14:42 -0800
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When I make supper I am a cook, too,
What you are not, however, is a chef, which is why
I don't expect to be invited to teach at the Cordon Bleu institute
any time soon.
Some of us are just stirrers
John
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At 12:43 PM 11/11/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
>Andrew wrote a reply mentioning Gutierre Fernández Hidalgo, and Juan
>Gutiérrez de Padilla, suggesting that because they practiced their craft in
>present day Peru, and Mexico, respectively, that they were non-European
>composers. I would differ with
Yes, chef is a title, one that can be earned by attending an accredited
culinary institution, or by simply being recognized as a very good cook
with a very thorough knowledge of your craft. Lots of people are called
Chef who haven't attended one of those schools, just as lots of people
deserve
In response to the following comments previously written in the thread,
> >There were numerous
> > >non-European contributors to that tradition--some of them of great
> >>merit--before 1650.
> >
> >Such as?
Andrew wrote a reply mentioning Gutierre Fernández Hidalgo, and Juan
Gutiérrez de Padil
>At 09:54 PM 11/8/02 -0500, David H. Bailey wrote:
>>I am growing weary of composers who can't write!
>
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz answered:
>Do you really want to go here? :)
>
>Composers who don't write is a longer tradition than those who do.
[...]
>
>In some composition -- especially improvisatory
There were numerous
>non-European contributors to that tradition--some of them of great
merit--before 1650.
Such as?
mdl
(not doubting, just curious)
"Easily the most important composer in 16th-c. South America,
Gutierre Fernández Hidalgo (c. 1553-c. 1620), directed the music
successivel
At 6:35 AM -0500 11/11/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
And yes, if you make up something in the shower, you have composed
it, and for that, you are a composer. When I make supper I am a
cook, too, though I don't expect to be invited to teach at the
Cordon Bleu institute
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 5:30 PM -0500 11/10/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
So I guess we all have to agree that if a tree falls in the forest
with nobody around, nobody is ever quite sure if it makes a sound.
Maybe, maybe not. And if a person wants to say they are a composer,
then they
On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
> And yes, if you make up something in the
> shower, you have composed it, and for that, you are a composer. When
> I make supper I am a cook, too.
>
But are you a chef?
Larry
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At 5:19 PM 11/10/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
>Don't you guys listen to Charlie Daniels? Man, I thought everybody knew
>the Devil's instrument was the fiddle! What's the point of having pop
>culture when it gets forgotten so easily!
Not to mention Paganini.
mdl
At 5:30 PM -0500 11/10/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
So I guess we all have to agree that if a tree falls in the forest
with nobody around, nobody is ever quite sure if it makes a sound.
Maybe, maybe not. And if a person wants to say they are a composer,
then they are, because I know of very few
At 11:50 AM -0500 11/10/02, Andrew Stiller wrote:
I never said, or even implied, that every detail of the sound
comprising a piece must be notated for it to be a composition,
merely that the composer's work (however detailed or vague) must be
fixed in some manner that will allow it to be accu
At 11:57 AM -0500 11/10/02, Andrew Stiller wrote:
I think at the bottom of this dispute is a difference in the meaning
of the word "composer" in different subcultures. Like the word
"horn," it is used quite differently in classical, jazz, and
civilian circles, and all the meanings are equally
So I guess we all have to agree that if a tree falls in the forest with
nobody around, nobody is ever quite sure if it makes a sound. Maybe,
maybe not. And if a person wants to say they are a composer, then they
are, because I know of very few people who haven't made up little
ditties to hum
Don't you guys listen to Charlie Daniels? Man, I thought everybody knew
the Devil's instrument was the fiddle! What's the point of having pop
culture when it gets forgotten so easily!
Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 12:34 PM 11/10/02, hymnist wrote:
[...] any song that uses anything but a piano, an
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> I beg to differ. Notwhitstanding any qualitative value of a given
> improvisation, since there is a conscient effort to
>
>> At 12:30 PM 11/9/02 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>> Wrong. Composing on one's feet is no less a creative act of arranging music
>> into shape than one if which that process is, to use your word, frozen.
>> Even the plain old dictionary defines compose, among other definitions, as
>> "To creat
At 11:50 AM 11/10/02, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>The Western musical tradition--including its notation--has not been
>confined to Europe for some 500 years now. There were numerous
>non-European contributors to that tradition--some of them of great
>merit--before 1650.
Such as?
mdl
(not doubting, ju
At 12:34 PM 11/10/02, hymnist wrote:
>[...] any song that uses anything but a piano, an organ, and maybe a
>guitar is the devil's music, you know
Guitar?? If any instrument is the devil's instrument, surely it is the guitar.
mdl
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Sounds like we all need to go around like Whoopie Goldberg in Sister Act 2:
Well, Jamal, when I say "eclectic," I mean ...
English as a living language changes over time, I doubt the dictionaries can
keep up. It sounds to me like some people are still saying "thee" and
"thou" while the rest have
the need for labels in interesting.
Terrell D Lewis
I think at the bottom of this dispute is a difference in the meaning
of the word "composer" in different subcultures. Like the word
"horn," it is used quite differently in classical, jazz, and civilian
circles, and all the meanings are e
At 12:30 PM 11/9/02 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Composers who don't write is a longer tradition than those who do.
Not in any meaningful sense.
Some meaning derives from writing. Wow. That's pretty reactionary! The
meaning of "composer" then becomes limited to an enormously specified area
of
At 8:19 AM -0500 11/10/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
But then if Mingus sang the person's part to him/her with the
intention of them NOT playing it exactly as sung, how far away from
what was originally sung were they allowed to get?
In Mingus' case, you knew because Mingus would yell at you, po
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[snip]
Hmm. Our ideas part company on this one. Jazz in particular IS
transcribable, to a certain extent. It is just that a lot of what is
great in jazz SHOULDN'T be written down, as writing it down tends to
sterilize it. Have you heard those great compositions by
At 7:52 AM -0800 11/09/02, Linda Worsley wrote:
Well, sure. I spent half a century learning the skills it takes to
be a "composer"... I resent the people who will not take the same
trouble to learn anything but noodle into MIDI devices and call
themselves "composers". I don't mind if they no
At 1:34 PM -0500 11/9/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Before this sets off an entire flame war or convoluted thread-debate,
let me just admit that I am nitpicking, being rigid and narrow in my
definition of the term "composer". Guilty as charged.
Too easy! No cop-outs allowed! :)
Aw, come on
No, actually, I was looking very carefully at her message before simply
assigning a gender. Had she not made it clear, I would have written
he/she (or she/he).
Patsy Moore wrote:
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Tell the filmmaker that if her "compos
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> At 07:52 AM 11/9/02 -0800, Lin
At 07:52 AM 11/9/02 -0800, Linda Worsley wrote:
>Well, sure. I spent half a century learning the skills it takes to
>be a "composer"... I resent the people who will not take the same
>trouble to learn anything but noodle into MIDI devices and call
>themselves "composers".
And if you produce ba
At 12:30 PM 11/9/02 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>>Composers who don't write is a longer tradition than those who do.
>
>Not in any meaningful sense.
Some meaning derives from writing. Wow. That's pretty reactionary! The
meaning of "composer" then becomes limited to an enormously specified area
of
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>Tell the filmmaker that if her "composer" can't notate the stuff he
>created, then she hasn't got a "composer," but rather a "noodler" and
>hopefully he will be listed as such in the credits!
David,
I'm delighted to see
Composers who don't write is a longer tradition than those who do.
Not in any meaningful sense. "Composer" as a separate profession is a
purely Western institution directly tied to the development of music
notation.
In some composition -- especially improvisatory or collaborative forms in
jazz
At 7:52 AM -0800 11/9/02, I wrote:
The people who made up the list (which included a lot of classical
masterpieces from across the centuries) needed a "minority" and a
"woman" composer for the list in order to be PC. So they combined
the two and chose Billie Holiday! With all the great music
At 9:03 AM -0500 11/9/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 09:54 PM 11/8/02 -0500, David H. Bailey wrote:
I am growing weary of composers who can't write!
Do you really want to go here? :)
Well, sure. I spent half a century learning the skills it takes to
be a "composer"... I resent the peopl
At 09:54 PM 11/8/02 -0500, David H. Bailey wrote:
>I am growing weary of composers who can't write!
Do you really want to go here? :)
Composers who don't write is a longer tradition than those who do.
Writing/notating for communication is a technical skill that is variously
used in different disc
Tell the filmmaker that if her "composer" can't notate the stuff he
created, then she hasn't got a "composer," but rather a "noodler" and
hopefully he will be listed as such in the credits!
I am growing weary of composers who can't write!
Crystal Premo wrote:
What KIND of MIDI files are they?
What KIND of MIDI files are they? Piano/Vocal? Orchestra? Guitar and
Kazoo? :)
I haven't yet spoken with the composer, but the film maker alleges strings
incl. harp, perhaps tympani. I'm hoping they were created intelligently;
the composer requested that she find him a Finale operator.
Crystal
something complicated from
http://www.classicalarchives.com/midi.html .
Richard Yates
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I just got a call from a film maker who wants me to make her midi files
into
Finale files, clean them
I just got a call from a film maker who wants me to make her midi files into
Finale files, clean them up and print them out in parts. Sounds easy
enough, but what would be the process?
Crystal Premo
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