Re: [Finale] measure numbering

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Well, you may be missing Robert's excellent plugin... Johannes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my money, a useful feature would be the facility to specify that a measure(s) be ignored when numbering measures - 1st/2nd time bars for example. The current method involving specifying regions and such s

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Why don't you check yourself? Look at any major publisher's edition, Bärenreiter, Henle, Peters, Breitkopf and Härtel, which ever. I am pretty sure you will find that I am correct. Johannes Darcy James Argue wrote: The correct way to number first and second endings is to number the first bar of

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Johannes, I don't doubt that you are correct. But I was just wondering (A) if I had understood you correctly (which I guess I did), and (B) what the rationale was? This practice still strikes me as a terrible idea, Bärenreiter or no. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 29 Nov 2

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Generally I prefer to have the first and second time bars numbered the same.  In this way, (given 8 bar phrases ofr example) the second phrase starts on bar 9 whether or not there is a second time bar.   All the best,   Lawrence   "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk _

[Finale] Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread Jonathan Smith
Jef, Thanks for the tip. I think I have now discovered the bug that creates this problem, your idea below didn't quite work but set me on the path to finding it mainly because if you use the set up wizard then the part is auto opened after extraction and it it precisely THIS that retains the pa

[Finale] Overlapping Slurs

2004-11-29 Thread Giovanni Andreani
Hello I've created a text symbol and enclosed it in an shape, opaque selected, for overlapping staff lines and, eventually, slurs While it overlaps staff lines with no problems, overlapping disappears after I redraw the screen, making symbol and slur appear on the same level Any suggestions? Th

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: dhbailey / 04.11.28 / 11:55AM wrote: I find it to be only a matter of a small effort to move measures around to get the final systems to look fine. The way I deal with the final system is to move measures down from preceding systems until they all balance out and the layout

Re: [Finale] Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Just be aware that there is an ongoing discussion about the file overwrite bug being directly related to this very checkbox. Johannes Jonathan Smith wrote: Jef, Thanks for the tip. I think I have now discovered the bug that creates this problem, your idea below didn't quite work but set me on th

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
It actually makes a lot of sense to me. I agree that it may be different for contemporary music, though. The best example was already mentioned: imagine one part having a first and second ending, and another not having one. But even when this isn't the case it makes more sense to me that after

Re: [Finale] Fear OT

2004-11-29 Thread Eden - Lawrence D.
Listers, How does one check a UPS? On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > Eric Dannewitz / 04.11.28 / 4:52AM wrote: > > >What? What part of California are you talking about? In the Bay Area > >where I live we haven't had a power outage in over a year. > > Poor Californians. Living in Gr

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: It actually makes a lot of sense to me. I agree that it may be different for contemporary music, though. The best example was already mentioned: imagine one part having a first and second ending, and another not having one. But even when this isn't the case it makes more

Re: [Finale] Fear OT

2004-11-29 Thread dhbailey
Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: Listers, How does one check a UPS? Can't you just unplug it while everything is turned on, to simulate a power outage? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailma

Re: [Finale] Fear OT

2004-11-29 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:28 AM 11/29/04 -0500, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: >How does one check a UPS? Sounds like a punchline's coming! If your UPS doesn't have a self-test, you can just unplug it with everything turned on (my unit's so-called self-test is exactly that). Make sure that the battery is working, that th

Re: [Finale] FinaleScript help?

2004-11-29 Thread Allen Fisher
Andrew, Other than the command reminder script (which is improved in Finale 2005a, BTW) and the OLD, the only other sources are the plug-in's creator, Robert Piéchaud and the MakeMusic FinaleScript forum. Robert hangs out there a lot and is quicker than I am at getting to most questions... I can

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
dhbailey / 04.11.29 / 5:48AM wrote: >Then it is also a very easy issue to use the page layout tool and simply >drag the right-hand margin of that final system to the left to get it to >be the proper width for the measures which are on it. > >If you want a partial final system it's easy enough to

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:53 AM 11/29/04 -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote: >No, no. My point was it then creates another problem when I alter any >measure width in the middle of the part. The common result is that >second to the last system is stayed partial followed by one extra bar at >the last system which now is full

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Bitten by Reply to All. Sorry. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread Chuck Israels
On Nov 29, 2004, at 1:26 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: It makes no difference what is set in the finale 'page format for parts' under the options menu but is solely to do with whether you: Extract the part(s) without checking the 'Open Extracted Parts' box, in which case all the page set-ups revert t

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 04.11.29 / 10:20AM wrote: >You can nudge all the measures just enough to expand or even fill up that >last system. Woa. Thank you so much for this tip. I had no idea you can do this. This will be the way I will be doing now on. I was doing double-click to add(pos/neg) b

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: dhbailey / 04.11.29 / 5:48AM wrote: Then it is also a very easy issue to use the page layout tool and simply drag the right-hand margin of that final system to the left to get it to be the proper width for the measures which are on it. If you want a partial final system it'

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I am not sure I understand what you mean. However, if you select all in the MassEdit tool (in page view) and press command-L, the systems are locked as they are at the moment. If you now change a measures width by respacing it will not mess up the layout. However, you will then manually have to

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
That's actually a very clever trick, I never thought of this before. Thanks! Johannes Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 09:53 AM 11/29/04 -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote: No, no. My point was it then creates another problem when I alter any measure width in the middle of the part. The common result is th

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Johannes Gebauer / 04.11.29 / 11:12AM wrote: >I am not sure I understand what you mean. However, if you select all in >the MassEdit tool (in page view) and press command-L, the systems are >locked as they are at the moment. As I originally stated, I don't like Locking. But I realized I need to

[Finale] FinScript Question

2004-11-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Thanks to this list. I even didn't know the existence of Finale Script (still waiting for printed manual that was supposed to arrive last week!). However I was a little surprised it is somewhat limited. FinMac2004 has also very limited AppleScript API, and I was hoping FinScript gives me more s

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
As far as I know these problems are gone. At least I haven't seen them for a long time (and I do know what you mean, my history with Finale dates back to about that version). However, there is one new, but pretty minor problem: The Page Break command (in the layout tool) occasionally goes crazy

Re: [Finale] Overlapping Slurs

2004-11-29 Thread Gerald Berg
Maybe you have a definition problem -- i.e. "attach to top note" Jerry On 29-Nov-04, at 5:06 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote: Hello I've created a text symbol and enclosed it in an shape, opaque selected, for overlapping staff lines and, eventually, slurs While it overlaps staff lines with no problem

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
John Howell wrote: How to number 2nd endings is an editorial choice. I've seen it done in different ways, and done it different ways myself. I'll often take the lazy way out and number the first ending bar as "8" and the 2nd ending bar as "9," as long as the score and parts are all exactly t

Re: [Finale] Overlapping Slurs

2004-11-29 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:06 AM 11/29/04 +0100, Giovanni Andreani wrote: >I've created a text symbol and enclosed it in an shape, opaque selected, >for overlapping staff lines and, eventually, slurs >While it overlaps staff lines with no problems, overlapping disappears >after I redraw the screen, making symbol and s

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
It actually makes a lot of sense to me. I agree that it may be different for contemporary music, though. The best example was already mentioned: imagine one part having a first and second ending, and another not having one. But even when this isn't the case it makes more sense to me that after

Re: [Finale] Overlapping Slurs

2004-11-29 Thread Giovanni Andreani
>...It would be good if Finale had a system of graphical layers with "bring to >front", "bring forward", "send backward" and "send to back" options, which >would make such hiding possible. Do such layers exist in 2K4/5? > >Dennis Not in Fin 2k4 Giovanni _

Re: [Finale] Overlapping Slurs

2004-11-29 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 11/29/04 12:22:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 11:06 AM 11/29/04 +0100, Giovanni Andreani wrote: >I've created a text symbol and enclosed it in an shape, opaque selected, >for overlapping staff lines and, eventually, slurs >While it overlaps staff lines with no problems, o

Re: [Finale] Ouch! Got bitten by the file overwrite bug?

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Levin
Darcy, FWIW, if you had had autosave *on*, you could have reverted to the most recently auto-saved version of the quartet score and it probably would have been okay. Autosave is safe in Fin2005a (but not Fin2004). I didn't know that (sigh). OK, it's now on. You can usually solve this by using

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Andrew Stiller wrote: Really? So you're saying that, for a one-measure first and second ending, *both* measures would have the same number? Is that really standard practice? That seems like a really terrible idea to me. It *is* a terrible idea. I don't know what was meant by "all major publi

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Owain Sutton
Andrew Stiller wrote: There is another (and IMO superior) way to handle this kind of situation however, and that is to number each performed measure rather than each written one. In that method, if the first eight measures are repeated, the first measure after the repeat is m. 17, not m. 9. Thi

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: Andrew Stiller wrote: There is another (and IMO superior) way to handle this kind of situation however, and that is to number each performed measure rather than each written one. In that method, if the first eight measures are repeated, the first measure after the repeat is

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Owain Sutton
dhbailey wrote: Owain Sutton wrote: Andrew Stiller wrote: There is another (and IMO superior) way to handle this kind of situation however, and that is to number each performed measure rather than each written one. In that method, if the first eight measures are repeated, the first measure aft

Re: [Finale] A Simple Question

2004-11-29 Thread Mark D Lew
On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:58 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I don't know where or why it started, but it's like force-justifying the end line of paragraphs or making sure novels fill up the last page. Preventing the musical equivalent of widows & orphans helps reading (and sometimes economics), but

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Mark D Lew
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: There is another (and IMO superior) way to handle this kind of situation however, and that is to number each performed measure rather than each written one. In that method, if the first eight measures are repeated, the first measure after the r

[Finale] Re: Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread Jonathan Smith
Chuck, What exactly do you mean by default document? Is this the file that you are extracting from at the time? Because I have tried changing the page setups in hundreds of scores to what I want in the extracted parts (e.g. 'My printer' with an A4 page size) and this doesn't come out in the extr

Re: [Finale] Re: Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Jonathan Smith / 04.11.29 / 4:14PM wrote: >What exactly do you mean by default document? Jumping in. If you never create it, you just create one at: /Applications/Finale\ 2004c/Component\ Files/ And let Finale know where the default file lives :-) P.S., Yup, those who are using Finale for

[Finale] OT: Looking for Michael Haydn's psalms De Profundis

2004-11-29 Thread Barbara Touburg
Dear list, Does anyone know of a (modern or early) edition of the three De Profundis psalms by Michael Haydn? Our university library (music department) doesn't own one. Does an edition exist at all? Thanks, Barbara ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [Finale] Re: Printing parts in Mac OS X New discovery

2004-11-29 Thread Chuck Israels
Dear Jonathan, In your Finale folder there is something called Maestro Font Default (or Jazz Font Default). This is a "control" document which defines a bunch of parameters Finale uses to define things in various other documents you might produce. Getting your default document the way you like i

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Yates
> And while I'm on *that* subject, I disagree with the poster who > decried divided measures as unprofessional under all circumstances. > Andrew Stiller As do I. Context is everything. I had a solo guitar transcription (Bach, I think) with lots of sixteenth notes in dense counterpoint, and many fi

Re: [Finale] Measure numbers in repeats

2004-11-29 Thread Crystal Premo
There is another (and IMO superior) way to handle this kind of situation however, and that is to number each performed measure rather than each written one. In that method, if the first eight measures are repeated, the first measure after the repeat is m. 17, not m. 9. This is an admittedly rar

Re: [Finale] Smart Shape Bracket Settings

2004-11-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 28 Nov 2004 at 22:11, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 07:05 PM 11/28/2004, David W. Fenton wrote: > >How do you adjust the amount of the drop of the vertical lines at > the >ends of smart shape square brackets? > > How about Smart Shape | Smart Shape Options | Hook Length ? I don't know how I mis